Like I just don't get it, if I'm getting matched with Silvers, why the fuck am I not in Silver? How stupid is this fucking system?
edit: Won a game, now it says I'm bronze 3 in placements, enemy had a Gold 4 jungler. https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=LoLsucksTFTisOK What the ever living fuck is this matchmaking algorithm?
cant duoq with them because your rank difference is too big? well then i just put them in the enemy team LUL
I think it's high time Riot started creating more transparency around matchmaking... their internal MMR, and how they decided to match the games.. because if they can't justify it, they should fix it.
It's all very simple....
X * Y = I don't care let's do lines of coke and go to strip bar.
"Riot balance team"
People are placed into matches based on their MMRs, not ranks.
Ranks are partly a progression system. Riot uses it to keep folks playing. People aim for benchmarks. Riot also uses it to hid when some one sinks. Demotion is a massive value inside the bottom of a Tier. So you have pools of players in Division 4 with MMR several divisions lower pretty often... But Riot doesn't want any one feelings to be hurt by deranking and losing their shiny rank.
A Pure progression system is not about skill, its a time investment. X games X exp X hours. ETC. Like your summoner level, that's a progression system.
The Ranks are Tied loosely to A skill rating system. MMR. They don't use the exact value because then people see when they sink, or when they peaked and got stuck. This is pretty common with Modern Devs as a lot of players will quit when they cap or fall.
Blizzard, for example would give you a Raiting, but their Raitng given and their MMR raitings where different. The ones you see moved slower then their internal MM's MMR to get more games outta folks.
Anyhow back to Riot. Riot added a worst case rank for placements as a response to people Bitching placements. You now see a value over every game. The dramatic leaps per win early on serve as "motivation"... but the MMR can be found fairly easy looking at match averages. So, Some one new will be like HELL YES IM AT GOLD LEVEL OF SKILL! because they played and won vs a team W gold players or won lane vs one. When the match average is around silver 2. That player will then think hey I can hit gold, I have played vs and done just fine. Set that as the benchmark, and play all year aiming for it.
Also, The worst case you see after 1 game also serves to deal with demotion protection. Some one who goes 0-10 would end up at B4, Then they have a huge window to prevent dropping to iron so they don't rage quit but they avoid being stuck in silver 4 should they be low bronze or Iron level skill. Meanwhile folks who already did a season with poor results? They drop to iron and wanna at least make it back to their old rank.
So until the progression system catches up to MMR some ones's Rank is useless as a skill indicator, and riots Division 4 will always be a bit fucky due to demotion protection range. The way they can tie the two systems is LP slant. You take your MMR values and break them into chuncks. Say 1200-1270 = silver 2. Players At that MMR with that rank see LP be more or less equal. Players higher rank see slant for worse LP gains and Higher LP losses. If your ranks below it you see higher LP gains and lower losses. Built so that if you hover at 50% long enough your Rank falls into the exact same MMR range set for it.
Now, as far as Riot and LP slant goes? That does seem to be the case pretty frequently, thou Duo can make for some weird impact.
For you specifically, Your playing in silver and so a win jet speeds you forward because your placement rank is "bronze" and its far lower then your MMR of silver.
Information is accurate far as I know and I tried to be clear when it was an opinion or observation. Elo/MMR is a topic I find nifty, I like the math and logic behind them. So let me know if your interested or have questions.
Uhhh... ur in placements. That means you're not actually placed... so bronze isn't reflective of your mmr at all. Just look at the average rank of the people in your games and you'll see your mmr's silver, which is the starting mmr of an unranked account.
There's plenty of real complaints about the ranked systems matchmaking but this ones... oof. It's rly not that complicated.
I feel like the system puts you in a losing scenario
Lets say Your low silver and go on a winning streak it will place you in gold games because of your MMR even though your still in low silver then you lose because your playing higher elo matches and rinse and repeat this makes no sense to me you should play silver players until your out of silver and maybe low gold in silver 1.
You should not be punished for winning alot We have a bracket system for a reason so why is MMR still a thing i should be playing against and with players in silver 4-2 if im in silver 3 maybe one or two game exceptions if there no players or something.
i was bronze 4 and i faced 3 gold players , join the club .
Way back in the day, there were no promo matches, it was called ELO, and your ELO = what is now MMR.
Riot said that in order to reduce stress on players, they were hiding ELO and renaming it to MMR, and utilizing promo matches to have a better ranked system and would stress people out less.
We called them out on their bullshit, and they ignored it. In 2013, we told them they were wrong, but they ignored us.
Now the new players are coming in and asking for transparency in the ranked system. Hurr durr, the same thing the old players wanted, and had, until change for the sake of change happened.
The simple reason this happens is because of your Match Making Rating or your MMR. In ranked you are placed with your MMR instead of actual rank that they created such as bronze, silver, gold, etc.... It is stupid and they should fix it... so what changes are they coming up with later this year??????? [zombie-brand-clap]
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Your rank is not used to match you with and against other players. They just take your hidden MMR.
Duuude, I know matchmaking is bad, but as a Zyra mid main, as a player, I cannot understand why you take Ardent Censer and Athenes Unholy Grale for Zyra. As well as Zyra mid :D. She doesnt have heals, or shields to give to allys, so those passives are worthless. Take Rod of Ages, Liandrys and Rylays, and you are good to go :).
I think the biggest improvement they could make is remove placements every year (not promotions) .
I'm not sure why RIot wants to punish it's loyal solo q players by making us place every year. And I don't accept Riot's argument "To prove your skill".
That's exactly what I've odne for the prior 5 or so Seasons, I've made Silver every year. And every year Riot punishes me by making me place.
As a result a lot of Silver players, WHO should be in SILVER -- end up having to climb out of IRON and Bronze yet again. It's demoralizing.
And don't give me any bs answer about "you'll stop playing because your stuck in Silver".
I'm already stuck in Iron/Bronze hell for the first part of the season as a direct result of your punishing your loyal player base.
Respect your player base and do the right thing. Remove placements. Let us start where we finish.
its not the match maker. There are less players playing ranked than there used to be.
That's because you're playing on a Smurf account - and your KDA in Rank is quite high for an account made last month. If you had very low KDA instead - you'd probably get matched vs Bronze and silver 3/4.
Still, the matchmaking system - is highly unreliable generally speaking.
Like I just don't get it, if I'm getting matched with Silvers, why the fuck am I not in Silver? How stupid is this fucking system?
edit: Won a game, now it says I'm bronze 3 in placements, enemy had a Gold 4 jungler. https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=LoLsucksTFTisOK What the ever living fuck is this matchmaking algorithm?
Last season I was plat 3, i was plaed on gold 4 and now all of my teammates are gold that were plat last season and all our enemies are gold that was plat last season. I mean, why put all of us in gold when we are clearly plat?
You get matched based on your mmr and not rank.
If your rank is lower than your mmr, then you will gain more LP per win and lose less LP per lose.
So if you are bronze and get matched with silver, you will get like +20LP per win and - 12LP per lose.
In summary, if you have 50% win rate you will climb to silver. However, a bronze who is matched with bronze and who has 50% win rate will be hard stuck.
That's why it is a fair system.
:)
It gets even worse if you ever manage to make it to promos. Promoting into bronze? So you'd think the game would try extra hard to make sure your team and enemies are iron for you to prove you can do better than them, or maybe even bronze as a way to prove you belong, right? Nah here have Silvers and Golds on the enemy team while your team is the appropriate iron/bronze because your MMR climbed four times faster than your LP.
A couple of times in ARAM I get matched with plat players. We're all bronze/silver/iron/unranked. But then again these "platinum" players were trash asses. How the fuck are they platinum? I've seen Iron players all the time better than them. Yet the good low elo players are stuck in elo hell.
