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Fiora Ult Question: Is her Ult Immune to Cass & Sejuani CC Ults Before Becoming Untargetable?

Rubber Jesus·3/24/2015, 5:21:18 AM·1 votes·2,147 views

Fact: Once Fiora begins her ultimate, she becomes untargetable. Fact: Fiora's ultimate apparently has two cast animations, the first when you hit R, and then when she actually becomes untargetable, which I looked up after my game.

I just played a game as Cassiopeia, with a friend as Sejuani. Fiora was on the other team. Sejuani could clearly see she was about to ult so he ulted her, and she become a block of ice, and then continued on her through her ult animation as a block of ice through the duration and completely negated the stun. As Cassiopeia, I had two times where I could see Fiora approaching and cast my ult on her, and turned her to stone. *After *she turned stone, she ulted me as Stone Fiora, clearly showing that I had gotten the stun off before she become untargetable, as did Sejuani. This happened three time where she was hit by hard CC ultimate abilities before going untargetable (which can clearly be seen by the animations of her being ice and stone throughout her ult). By the time her ult ended, the CC had worn off and she was free to move around. Just to be clear, the CC was not delayed in any way. She was in the CC animations during the ult, and ran away after her ult was over.

My question is: One she casts her ultimate, is she immune/invincible to this kind of CC before becoming untargetable? Or is this a bug? Like I said, this is not a simple stun, but CC ult that changed animations and her animations were changed to fit the CC (ice block or stone), which were completely negated and did not take effect after her ult. I understand that other projectile stuns hit after her ult finishes, but these did not. I am just wondering if it would be a bug (should they hit after the ult, should they stop the ult since she isn't untargetable yet) or is it intended that she turn to ice and stone to complete her ult?

Thanks for your help. Just confused on this is all. Since they are hard CC ultimate abilities, I'd at least assume it would hit afterwards but maybe someone will prove me wrong! :)

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67chrome3/24/2015, 7:34:16 AM3 votes

My question is: One she casts her ultimate, is she immune/invincible to this kind of CC before becoming untargetable? Or is this a bug?

It's a bug, and I can confirm that's happened to me as Fiora before as well - bouncing around on Cassi's head in a more statuesque manner.

Fact: Fiora's ultimate apparently has two cast animations, the first when you hit R, and then when she actually becomes untargetable, which I looked up after my game.

It's not 2 cast animations. It's a point in the middle of an animation.

Pretty much every attack and ability doesn't deliver the business end of a skill the moment you press the button, it requires an animation be played to a specific point before causing things to happen.

Canceling the animation directly after you hit that point is how orb-walking works, and DotA actually lists that point in every champion's attack animation and ability animation.

What's probably going on in the situations you're describing is Fiora is getting hit with CC after casting Blade Waltz and before the buisness end of that ability actually takes effect (namely untargetability so she'd evade the ults entirely).

Riot's actually patched a lot of champions like Lux/Ezreal/etc. so if they died mid-cast during that sweet-spot, their ult wouldn't be set on cooldown dispite the business end of it never happening. My guess is their coding for dealing with post-press, pre-cast windows just doesn't exist in many cases.

Riot should probably address Fiora's ult so it has the same stuff they gave to Lux, so if you bad things happen during it's cast before it applies it refreshes rather than going on CD. Have had plenty of times where I got Dunked by Darius and it goes on CD because it didn't activate fast enough to grant untargetability, also had situations where I went for a Teemo kill but my entire team exploded him before I even got an assisst with my ult, and Fiora's ult goes on CD. Not really complaining about the Cassi/Sej times where I get CCed, survive, and ult wile I'm solidified - but Riot probably has the right code to easily fix this.

Also, Fiora's ult has historically had other issues. It used to end if you couldn't see any targets, so anyone ever could just walk into brush to force-cancel it in a 1v1 situation. Riot did eventually update her ult (after over a year) so that wasn't the case by allowing her to bounce on stealthed targets while only damaging ones she could see (ie she's in brush and reveals them). Turns out she was still doing 0 damage to targets in brush she revealed, so on the patch after that Riot fixed it so Blade Waltz really couldn't be countered by running into a bush.