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Give Pyke E the Camille E treatment

Winner Bot·1/13/2019, 7:00:47 AM·1 votes·1,226 views

As a long standing Pyke hater, I went to play some Pyke games to figure out how to play against this creepy dude. Turns out,he is not overpowered, but he is too annoying to play against

He is not as overpowered as his kit appears to be. On paper, he has a hook, a 5 seconds stealth which also gives him bonus MS, a huge gap closer which also leaves a path that stuns enemies standing on it, and a notorious reset-on-kill execution ult. Oh btw, he rapidly regenerates a huge amount of lost health when he is out of combat for a few seconds, doesn't it sound fun for poking champs? These combined spells OP, right? But after playing Pyke myself, he is not that strong, at least in team fights. His hook is basically a delayed poor-man version of Blitz's. He is always squishy due to not being allowed to build HP, making his dives in late game team fights extremely risky with all the burst in this one-shot meta. His ult doesn't really contribute that much to his team in the late game, since at that point if an enemy gets that low to be executed by Pyke, he will most certainly be killed by your teammates a few seconds later anyway. You just secured a guaranteed kill without taking the gold away from your teammates.

So why is he too annoying to play against? His offensive kit is completely fine, its his defensive kit.

His passive allows too much health regeneration, but since it can be easily cured by tuning its numbers, its not our main focus. Our main focus is on his E+W escape combo. It is too difficult to catch a Pyke who is out of position. His E alone gives him a long range dash, as well as stunning enemies behind. By dashing away, it also gets him out of stealth range to activate his W and go wherever he wishes to. There is absolutely no counter play to this, unless you manage to 100-0 him while keep him CC-ed during that entire duration.

This is where I want to introduce the Camille E treatment. Camille's second part of E has a halfed ranged when not dashing towards the direction of enemies. This is to penalize her for using her gap closer to escape, while giving her incentives to use it offensively. If this treatment is given to Pyke, this would give his opponents a fair chance to catch him when he is trying to get away, while not harming his offensive ability. This also make Pyke to have a playstyle which Riot encourages: to think twice before going in and time your spells carefully.

Thoughts?

6 Comments

Hotarµ1/13/2019, 7:20:50 AM2 votes

There is absolutely no counter play to this, unless you manage to 100-0 him while keep him CC-ed during that entire duration.

The reason Pyke is designed like this is because unlike Camille, he has no way of increasing his max HP and generally won't build more than one resistance item since tank builds are long dead.

I think tweaking the numbers on his passive or/and making the gray health decay quickly unless used immediately would be more than enough. If you hit Pyke's dash range and reliable escapes, you need to compensate by giving him more survivability in other areas. You can't have an immobile champion with telegraphed abilities who never goes above 2k HP and has a fighter's base armor/MR.

The Ecdysiast1/13/2019, 7:31:25 AM1 votes

They already hit his defensive capability extremely hard. Further hitting his ability to escape with the tool he likely engaged with in the first place would be unfair.

DNFVixen1/13/2019, 9:26:07 AM1 votes

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As a long standing Pyke hater, I went to play some Pyke games to figure out how to play against this creepy dude. Turns out,he is not overpowered, but he is too annoying to play against

He is not as overpowered as his kit appears to be. On paper, he has a hook, a 5 seconds stealth which also gives him bonus MS, a huge gap closer which also leaves a path that stuns enemies standing on it, and a notorious reset-on-kill execution ult. Oh btw, he rapidly regenerates a huge amount of lost health when he is out of combat for a few seconds, doesn't it sound fun for poking champs? These combined spells OP, right? But after playing Pyke myself, he is not that strong, at least in team fights. His hook is basically a delayed poor-man version of Blitz's. He is always squishy due to not being allowed to build HP, making his dives in late game team fights extremely risky with all the burst in this one-shot meta. His ult doesn't really contribute that much to his team in the late game, since at that point if an enemy gets that low to be executed by Pyke, he will most certainly be killed by your teammates a few seconds later anyway. You just secured a guaranteed kill without taking the gold away from your teammates.

So why is he too annoying to play against? His offensive kit is completely fine, its his defensive kit.

His passive allows too much health regeneration, but since it can be easily cured by tuning its numbers, its not our main focus. Our main focus is on his E+W escape combo. It is too difficult to catch a Pyke who is out of position. His E alone gives him a long range dash, as well as stunning enemies behind. By dashing away, it also gets him out of stealth range to activate his W and go wherever he wishes to. There is absolutely no counter play to this, unless you manage to 100-0 him while keep him CC-ed during that entire duration.

This is where I want to introduce the Camille E treatment. Camille's second part of E has a halfed ranged when not dashing towards the direction of enemies. This is to penalize her for using her gap closer to escape, while giving her incentives to use it offensively. If this treatment is given to Pyke, this would give his opponents a fair chance to catch him when he is trying to get away, while not harming his offensive ability. This also make Pyke to have a playstyle which Riot encourages: to think twice before going in and time your spells carefully.

Thoughts?

It is his lane sustain that makes me ban him EVERY game.