Ninja tabi is not the problem

D0MiNAT0R79·4/15/2018, 3:54:18 AM·31 votes·11,567 views

Ninja tabi right now is fine Imo, and this is coming from a Draven main. The problem is Riot needs to buff other shoes, honestly. Ninja tabi is so much more powerful than all the other boots, and boots are an item that you build every single game. I feel like everybody thinks/knows this, but I don't feel like anyone is coming out and doing something about it. I haven't seen anyone build swift boots after the 2 nerfs back in season 6, also I think it would also be a cool idea to bring back boot enchantments.

39 Comments

Mordepool4/15/2018, 3:58:52 AM44 votes

AA Damage being too high is the problem. Ninja Tabi is the crutch keeping anyone who isn't a Marksmen main from quitting the game. If that class wasn't so busted you wouldn't see Tabi in every game

TyroneWatermelon4/15/2018, 12:07:21 PM11 votes

item 3117 only built rarely by roaming supports item 3009 useless item 3006 only built by marksman and Yasuo/Yi kiddies item 3158 only built by mages but why build them when you can get pen item 3020 only built by mages

Other boots aren’t underpowered(except swiftness), they’re just a niche that serves only 1 role.

If you’re looking for defensive boots as a melee champion(more than half of the champions in the game), you only have item 3047 / item 3111 , and not every game has a buttload of CC and mages. BUT every game has a right clicker or two minimum.

EkyonKun4/15/2018, 9:30:13 AM11 votes

... Wait a minute...

NERF NINJA TABI

Waiiiit a minute....

Blåbæret4/15/2018, 1:51:14 PM4 votes

Tabis have never been the issue. ADCs are the problem, and until they get nerfed, nothing will change.

Best Ekko NA4/15/2018, 5:15:56 PM2 votes

Honestly I feel as though boots need removed in general.

In the past mobility was a lot more rare, and there were more immobile champions (in relation to the entire champion pool). Anymore and there are even items and Rune choices which give you dashes. Enchantments were already removed, and I honestly feel as though boots are a thing of the past and need taken out of the game as well.

The only way you really should be able to acquire boots would be running the Inspiration tree (and getting them at 10 minutes).

TTv Koddok4/15/2018, 2:59:02 PM2 votes

Boots were gutted because they were far too cost efficient and everyone would rush tier 2 boots and base damage mages like Brand and such could 100-0 you before level 6. Tabi rush on AD made trading in lane basically stop because it was all tickle damage and every game became a boring CS fest. Merc treads were bought on any melee AP assassin mid and then poking/ganking them was no longer a viable way to remove them from the game before they could pop off and 1v5 your team with just a gunblade.

But I agree now most boots are laughably bad. Sorcerer's got buffed with mpen but that's because mpen runes were removed aftr the rune change and honestly it isn't enough, I feel they need 20 not 18. Tabi had armor reduced to stop them from being as effective against assassins, but they need to make them more effective against auto-attacks in my opinion. When I have Tabi and Warden's as a Sejuani, I don't want a Draven with a BF and Doran's. to be doing 250+ to me per auto still.

Oakleaf Ranger4/15/2018, 6:18:45 PM1 votes

The problem isnt Ninja Tabi but because how effective armor is in this game. Armor is just so universally useful in this game that there is almost always a reason to buy it. Its something that Scarra pointed out recently as well on the BTR. He helps against towers, camps, ADC, minions. The argument for towers doing mixed damage has been brought up before and the main reason I heard against it is that once a person gets both types of resistances then towers become much easier to tank. Well the issue with that is the reality isnt too much different from that right now.

But I think we can at least agree that the value of mr is pretty low in general compared to armor. I would at least like to see it put on caster and cannon minions. With some camps also doing magic damage. The value of Tabi goes down but not because it got nerfed but because others things rose in value.

Daizumi4/15/2018, 11:40:22 PM1 votes

I agree 100%. Even merc treads feels worse because so many champs have knock up or other abilities of that matter that mercs doesn't work on. Might as well take less dmg while displaced or in the air :/

Meep Man4/16/2018, 12:24:53 AM1 votes

item 3006 actually stink. Pure stats just doesn't cut it on a fully built item now.

There are only four boots worth building, and thats item 3020 item 3111 item 3047 item 3117 . Then only a few champions build item 3158 just because they likely have a busted ultimate or something like Malzahar.

Thee Pie Man4/16/2018, 12:56:55 AM1 votes

Personally I think boots should just removed- Now here me out- And everyone gets a decent movement speed boost per level to compensate.

I just think boots don't make sense, they are an item that has always existed in the game but there could be other items you build instead. I'd like to see the game like that. Without boots, I want to see where people would go. Would they go for more armor, would everyone just be packing GA's? I'm curious as to where the meta would shift.

LordGeovanni4/16/2018, 3:26:45 AM1 votes

Ninja tabi is only more powerful than other boots in the context that adcs do shit tons of damage. Riot straight out needs to have different stats on items for melee and ranged champions Melee champions stats being greatly buffed.

Dead flag blues4/16/2018, 9:44:20 AM1 votes

I wish the item classification wasn't only limited to "melee only" or "ranged only". It could actually solve numerous problems, like forbidding marksmen from building item 3047 item 3053 (remember when ADCs were ranged fighters ?) item 3025 item 3124 .

Shaydrox4/16/2018, 10:33:36 AM1 votes

I would use Tabi against 4 tanks with an adc just so that the adc doesn't kill me too quickly when I do manage to catch him in a 1v1

DoktorKaiser4/16/2018, 11:11:19 AM1 votes

Of course they are fine, the problem is autoattacking champions 1 shotting people, I pretty much build tabis 99% of the time which is not normal, I don't even want to build them if enemy has high CC , its more that I HAVE TO just to live longer than 2 seconds even on super tanks.

DestructoDave4/20/2018, 5:26:50 AM1 votes

Funnily enough, Tabi's have a worse win-rate on most champs than any other boot.

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/home/

Just look at random champs. Even look at your own champs. Tabi's have worse win-rates.

Wombu4/15/2018, 4:08:44 AM1 votes

i agree

Khristophoros4/15/2018, 6:47:46 AM1 votes

Yeah for an item that you have to only pick one of, the other boots don't offer enough impact besides the utility of mobis for specific champs.

The worst offenders are the offensive boots. They don't do anything special so you're better off getting your core items first... But if tabi or mercs can make a big impact in the matchup you're in it's worth delaying a core item. This is never true for sorcs or zerkers.

Fear the Kayn4/15/2018, 9:55:21 AM1 votes

There needs to be a better offensive boot option for AD champions who don't rely on attack speed.

BLACK REALM GOD4/15/2018, 4:07:20 PM1 votes

boots are all about what you need and when you need it.

movement speed - swiftness

map control - mobility

tabi - anti basic attacker

treads - anti crowd control (weakest in my opinion)

sorcery - flat magic penetration

ionians - if you want to stack cooldown or use F/D more often. (second weakest in my opinion)

greaves - maximize damage for basic attackers without sacrificing attack speed.

because certain boots offer things that are impossible to get elsewhere (tenacity, tabi's passive) these boots are likely to beat out the others simply because of how valuable those passives are.

cooldown reduction and attack speed are capped, summoner spells arent impactful enough that casting them 15 seconds faster helps, and movement speed is soft capped due to everything scaling from base times %.

defense is not capped and in fact more is always better. due to penetration and crowd control being nightmares when allowed to scale you're better off with tabi or treads.

T4underbolt4/15/2018, 5:35:18 PM1 votes

Any armor rushing item is too strong. Other boots are useless thats actual truth but ninja tabi is too strong as armor items scaling is too high. You buy half an armor item or ninja tabi and you are basically immortal. ninja tabi especially should be rush item vs heavy Ad auto attacking champs and comps not default "oh look you cant kill me anymore" item.