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Cassiopeia: Mana and Health sustain on the strongest dueling mage

Joey Lumberpile·5/10/2015, 10:05:46 PM·7 votes·1,665 views

Why did she need these mechanics exactly?

Most poke cooldowns are rather long, negated by her inherent pushing. Combining HEAVY dual-sustain with the insane all in pressure any time she lands a single Q, her lane phase is currently way out of line. I don't imagine any reliable counterplay other than "literally camp the bajesus out of it." Which isn't reliable really.

No other champion in the game gets health and mana/energy back for a single spell, excluding spell vamp. Sustain isn't central to cassiopeia's dueling identity at all. Talking about Strategic Diversity in terms that cassio can either sit back and stack up the farm with her passive or build it by playing aggressively, where's my strategic diversity? "stay completely outside of twin fang range literally the entire game" isn't very effective or interesting.

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Matezoide5/10/2015, 10:11:33 PM3 votes

> Strongest dueling mage

kek

Not that Riot didnt give her asinine buffs to make up for the shit rework, but i never saw a Cassiopeia being a particulary good duelist, unless she hits her stun, even when fed. Not that i have real Cass experience, so feel free to correct me on that one.

Abyssphere5/10/2015, 10:12:21 PM2 votes

Twin Fang is just an inherently idiotic ability post-rework. It gives her everything she could ever want. Massive DPS, huge amounts of healing, mana sustain and even a damage amp on her other abilities. It's everything she could ever want to be a dueling god, a wave-farming god and all in all a champion that's impossible to shove out of lane. It's insane.

The Queen Viper5/10/2015, 10:34:16 PM2 votes

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Why did she need these mechanics exactly?

Because RITO decided to remove her old passive and give her quite high mana costs. Either way, it shouldn't be a problem since she can only mana sustain while she last hits minions with her E ... and that's the time when she's not harassing anything or anybody.

{quoted} Combining HEAVY dual-sustain with the insane all in pressure any time she lands a single Q, her lane phase is currently way out of line.

She will run out of mana waaay sooner before you run out of health bro. There's a reason why Cass has to rush Tear first, before going dmg. Her laning phase is currently rather weak for a mage, since after all, she's supposed to be a late game hyper-carry.

{quoted} where's my strategic diversity? "stay completely outside of twin fang range literally the entire game" isn't very effective or interesting.

Cass cannot handle well high mobility champions (Fizz , Leblanc )

or champions that can burst her fast (Syndra , Viktor, Talon )

or champions that can simply out-range her (Xerath , Azir, Lux )

There's your strategic diversity.

Only Play Darius5/10/2015, 10:19:50 PM1 votes

She is pretty much an ADC. She gets her shit destroyed by anyone who can quickly get into her personal space and has no way of defending herself in close quarters.

Akali Diana Katarina Talon Yasuo

Joey Lumberpile5/10/2015, 10:22:16 PM1 votes

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> Strongest dueling mage

kek

Didn't take notes from Easyhoon I take it.

Post Level 2, she will all in any mid lane in the game from minion wave to tower, at any stage in the lane. Which would be fine, if it cost her anything other than her positioning.

Refunding + 3% mana her twin fang is absolutely absurd, in addition to health back. Other forms of mana and health sustain, there's no comparison.

Martyrofsand5/10/2015, 11:03:55 PM1 votes

I notice it seems a lot of people still cling to Stashu's "want cassio to not be so much of a lane bully" line he fed before the rework. Problem with this? Prerework Cassio could level 2 all in for a kill on pretty much anyone. Post rework Cassio can level 2 all in for a kill on pretty much anyone as well. Sure her E costs a good bit of mana but if she saves enough mana at level 1 to go all in at level 2 she can in fact get the kill fairly consistently against most mid laners aside for maybe some like Diana who is tanky and has a shield or those that can just trade out of her range to avoid getting poisoned.

That said no it doesn't come close to make Cassio broken. As an AP she is very much a duelist/fighter type AP carry right now and if you think about other duelist/fighter type AP champs, Gragas/Diana/Elise/Kayle/etc all have sustain either through heals or shields as well. She can easily be beaten either by out ranging her or with a strong burst mage like Syndra/Annie/Viktor/etc who can just blow her up before her sustain has time to counter it. The reason she continues to be very strong is right now the meta isn't about playing blow people up champs and is instead more toward sustained damage champions to counter tanky champions and frankly a champion like Cassio will be queen in that kind of meta. If we go back to the assassin meta that has people dieing a .5 seconds then Cassio's sustained damage would be as irrelevant as she would become.

One Bind Morgana5/10/2015, 10:13:30 PM1 votes

not saying it's a good premise but,

she casts at about the same speed adcs auto attack late game, and she does about the same damage per spell

adcs have lifesteal, and so twin fang's heal is kind of like lifesteal

adcs don't need mana to auto attack but cassiopeia does, so the mana return is a sensible way to sate her mana consumption problems without making her manaless

on paper it's fine but in practice, combining all those things makes a champion very very very annoying to play against

the difference between her and adcs is that she scales faster than other adcs. she gets her lifesteal earlier than adcs (other than vayne), she "auto attacks" at 2.0 attack speed straight at level 2 while adcs need level 18 and 2 attack speed items and she has an aoe stun (something no other adc has)

Rand0mH3r0X5/10/2015, 10:17:20 PM1 votes

I laned Maoki against Cass and beat her so badly. Please stop crying and try something different.