Quinn Ult 2 Change

12q34e·6/25/2015, 12:59:08 PM·23 votes·2,946 views

I used to play a lot of Quinn and have recently got back to playing. Her ult re-cast has always been hard to calculate when the best time use is. Trying to calculate the execute damage is just wonky. I had an idea for it last night, what if instead on scaling on missing health it got stronger based on time spent bird? Thematically the longer Valor is on the map the more time Quinn has to prepare the volley. Mechanically you could even add a counter similar to Maokai ult to see how much bonus damage you would do.

Thoughts?

33 Comments

Daedalus8716/25/2015, 3:10:55 PM13 votes

What Quinn really needs is a half decent AA.

ImpossibleGT6/26/2015, 1:45:30 AM4 votes

The change I want most (besides the obvious clean up on harrier not triggering fast enough) is for Skystrike to automatically fire if you die as Valor. It makes thematic sense for Quinn to take vengeance for her fallen bird, and it's not like the damage is so much that it would be oppressive because it's essentially unavoidable in dueling situations. I've been playing Quinn recently and it's just super annoying that her ultimate is so situational that it's usually wrong to use it during a teamfight (unless you do the instant in-out just for the Skystrike) because exposing such a squishy character to melee range is suicidal. Let's try to mitigate some of the risk of using Valor in an actual team fight.

Phoenix Kotori 6/25/2015, 1:32:31 PM3 votes

That would make sense and probably be a bit more healthy gameplay wise, so I'd be curious to see this play out.

The Trent6/25/2015, 8:26:45 PM3 votes

Yeah really cool change but won't fix her.

FlashnFuse6/25/2015, 5:18:58 PM2 votes

Personally i always use it to quickly burst execute someone.... Thats cool thematically though.

XinZhao2WinNhao6/25/2015, 1:34:15 PM2 votes

I don't play quinn but this seems cool

SquishyArchon6/27/2015, 6:26:19 AM2 votes

As an experienced diamond Quinn player I approve this message.

However, there should be a gate to prevent against ulting at fountain, running down mid lane and then Vaulting into someone and Skystriking for insane damage. Maybe time spent in bird mode AND in combat.

SquishyArchon6/29/2015, 8:42:35 AM2 votes

Vlad is a very hard lane for most people, Quinn included. You need to be super aggressive level 1 with passive > E > passive combos to establish a dominant footing. You have an edge in harass during the first stay in lane but around level 7 his Q and E just start trading too well. Your best bet at this point is just to be patient and make sure you stock up on HP pots and rush a vamp scepter into either Botrk or BT. You usually won't win an all-in against him if you are both even in items until late game. It's important to just play the lane safe and wait for jungler help. Try to be on the lookout for when he Q's a minion and immediately go in for a quick E>Passive>Q trade. Back off and force him to Q another minion. If you keep this pattern up you might initially lose out on some CS but it will pay off in the long term by letting you not fall to his harass and opening the door for a potential all-in win against him forcing him to play safer as well.

As for general Quinn playing, I like to play her as an assassin up until mid game but I build like an adc the entire time because I know that is eventually what I will be. Standard IE/PD core is my rush the majority of the time. If the enemy has a few bursty champs that could pose a problem then BT is a viable choice too for the shield so you can still come out on top after 1v1ing them. Constantly be on the lookout for the enemy adc going to farm a minion wave. Immediately pop ult and go chase them down. It's pretty much free kills. Biggest thing to remember though is that late game you don't have an ult. You really have to play like an adc and resist the temptation for tag teaming to close in on someone. Tag team essentially becomes another TF ult late game in that it's only used to clean-up stragglers after a teamfight (or for ganks on isolated targets as mentioned earlier.)

Gl!

LOL Spammer6/25/2015, 4:12:33 PM2 votes

I didn't even know that her ult was an execute.

12q34e6/26/2015, 1:55:21 PM1 votes

So what are the magic words to summon a rioter to talk about this? @meddler?

12q34e6/27/2015, 5:40:43 AM1 votes

As we are talking about Quinn ult, I just wondered would happen if River King ate a Valor just as the time was winding down? Would sky strike happen? Would Quinn pop out. Someone PBE this for me...

12q34e6/25/2015, 6:07:33 PM1 votes

Thanks for taking a look at this. For those of you who play Quinn how often to you succeed at an execute with it and how often to you just barely miss? I find that I just barely miss way to often

12q34e8/13/2015, 12:26:35 AM1 votes

I've seen a lot of Quinn talk again lately and thought I would bring this idea up to the boards again

grLKQ9ma0o6/25/2015, 11:08:25 PM1 votes

I mean, it just kinda sucks as an execute in general.

SquishyArchon6/28/2015, 3:38:51 AM1 votes

I actually play her exclusively in the solo lanes. Usually top with flash/ignite, but sometimes mid flash/barrier. I build her like ADC though which might be why you thought I played her bot.