Mordekaiser is way too much of a bully in lane

Garret Faulken·12/23/2019, 9:55:26 AM·15 votes·7,725 views

Play a carry or a bruiser into him, lose at all levels due to base damages and passive, stolen stats during ult and having to commit when he wants you to with his ult.

Tanks die way too easily to him as well given his % pen on W and the dot and % max health nature of his aoe passive.

I was a morde main before his rework, and liked how much of a risk/reward he was. He had to do certain things in certain ways to be effective at his role, and he traded high damage for very low mobility.

This reworked morde has much better mobility in the passive ms, the aoe grab, and ultimately in being able to trap the enemy in an arena. But his base damages and scaling are still insane like old morde, and his abilities dont have health costs like before.

After the initial spam after his release, I straight up quit playing the champ because there was no fun in playing him, no skill ceiling to work towards, and no variety in his playstyle. And killing enemies and hard carrying was just too easy and boring. There was no engagement in the gameplay.

I played chogath into him today and started mr rune. First back I picked up a negatron cloak. Cho's base stats before feast stacks is low, so im not saying i was a magic damage tank at this point, but with his shield and everything, he killed me easily in a 1v1 duel. I got qwe all off on him, and was stabbing away with all 3 E charges before he heals all the damage to 75% of his hp, while im waiting for my cooldowns to come back up and just autoing him, im dead way before I am near any threshhold to kill him with R.

I mean, level 6 1v1 all in vs a champ with just starter items vs chogath with a magic rune and a full negatron cloak, and im just forced to duel him and, despite landing everything, die while his hp remains over 75% is fucking stupid and ridiculous.

His passive needs to be toned down to like half its strength its whats making him broken in lane now. He can heal up poke with his W too easily, and any short trade u try to make becomes an extended trade with his ms and aoe on his passive. And early on pretty much nobody survives extended trades with him, not by a long mile, and the passive is what puts all the pressure.

At least gate the damned passive behind a cooldown so you can bait it, disengage, and then reengage or at least farm safely for a few seconds while he loses a large amount of his pressure. Resourcesless with self heal and shield, this guy is just too safe and confident in lane not because of skill but because of being a pure statball. He can just keep spamming spells without recourse, and when he lands a grab you better believe, no matter who you are playing, your going to lose more than 60% of your health just from that one trade, while he loses 25% and has the ability to heal it back up without potions or backing.

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StormBladeMaster12/23/2019, 1:00:48 PM8 votes

Ressourceless champions always have been a problem in my opinion. Why a champion should be allowed to spam spells without cost ? The old Morde wasn't a big problem because he had nothing to reach his target. He was a pure melee like Garen with no dashes, no ranged spell. His Old E had a very short range and a HP cost. The new one has his Q and his E (ranged abilities) and no HP cost.

**If i take examples : **

Riven : Ressourceless, she have been a problem for a long time because of her numbers. Not having mana cost make her a powerful lane bully because she can spam her combo. We could add mana cost to make her more balanced instead of destroying her numbers.

Yasuo : Yasuo always have been a problem. He spams his tornado and his E which is extremely annoying. But i don't think we could add mana cost because he spams his Q pretty often and his E too. He would get oom in less than 2s.

Garen : Garen is a easy champ made for beginners. It's make sense to not have mana cost because Garen isn't really a problem.

Katarina : Katarina would be weak with mana cost because she wouldn't be able to use her reset passive. It's also make sense that she don't have mana cost.

DrMundo : His spamming Q can be annoying. But i think he isn't that much of an issue so i think he don't need mana cost.

Gnar : Powerful lane bully. Annoying too. But mana cost wouldn't be the solution because he needs to poke to have his Mega Gnar form. Also it's would mean he needs to save enough mana to use his ulti in mega gnar form which would make him extremely complicated to play.

Kled : Highest win rate in top lane. Ofc his numbers are too strong but his manaless kit don't help to make him less a threat. I think it's because it's would give too much informations because he has 2 healths bar but he could have mana cost.

Renekton : I never liked the fact that he don't have mana cost. Renekton is way too powerful as a lane bully to not consider some mana cost on his spells. I mean when you compare him to Darius or Jayce... Both are annoying and horrible to deal with but Renekton is another level of stupidity when it's come to dmg and no mana cost. This dude litterally outrade you with a non-interactive gameplay but he also don't have mana cost which means he can spam his spells like he wants. I think they didn't put a mana bar because of his rage bar but for me, it's not a good reason. He should have mana cost.

Tryndamere : Tryndramere is a problem but that mostly his ultimate and his critic chances and not really his 0 mana cost. But his spamming E can be extremely annoying too. I think he should have some mana cost but low mana cost. I mean something like 30 on E, 40 on Q. Also mana would prevent him from using R if he don't save enough mana and would make his ulti less a problem.

Vladimir : Unfair, i don't see why Vladimir don't have mana cost. There is no reason that could explain this. Let's compare Vladimir to Kayle. They both scale lategame. Kayle has a very weak early game and until lvl 11, she must survive. Now with the nerfs, she also needs a lot of stuff because reaching lvl 11 won't change many things if you are too behind. To survive, you will likely spam your spells to farm and using mana which is one of Kayle big weakness. She has insane mana cost.

Now let's compare to Vladimir who also scale with the lenght of the game. First, he is ranged and i have a problem with the fact of being "ressourceless" and "ranged". Gnar is okay because of his other form who stop him. His other form make him ok to be ranged and manaless.

But Vladimir, i don't understand. He is safe, he can poke, regen, and he scales well.

People will say : He has HP cost! Yeah but he regens... I mean Morde had HP cost but he was melee and without regen (before his rework). Vladimir don't care about HP cost, honestly his HP are ridiculous compared to what he can heal. Also you won't use your W every 2s.

Having no mana make him horrible because he spam his spells and turn into a ranged lane bully. But he has a free escape tool which is more horrible.

I don't understand, people where complaining about Kayle but not Vladimir ? This guy is a better version of Kayle. He don't have the early weaknesses she has, he have zone dmg... The only thing that makes Kayle relevant is her ulti who is broken but it's has a big CD. + Vladimir can become tanky buy buying AP because he also gains health. Kayle will always be squishy. Her damage is good but if she gets oneshooted, then it's not worth to have that much dmg.

I think Vladimir should have mana cost. There is no excuses to not have mana cost on this champ. I can accept for Gnar because of his other form but not Vladimir. I know i may not be objective because i don't like Vladimir and i can't stand this champ but he should have mana cost.

He don't have reset like Katarina, he don't have short CD spells to abuse like Riven or Yasuo, he is ranged, he don't have a 2nd form or something like Gnar, he isn't a beginner champ like Garen... There is 0 reason to explain why he don't have mana cost.

Zac : Zac isn't a big issue to add mana on his spells. He is melee, he is a tank and i think it's like Mundo. He isn't that much of a problem to need mana cost. Honestly, i'm fine with Zac not having mana cost or energy cost.

To answer you, i think Morde is the same case as Darius. He should have mana cost. They didn't add it because the old Morde had no mana cost and i'm sure they wanted to keep this special thing.

But if we add mana cost, then i think he should have a little bit more dmg to compensate. It's would prevent him from spamming spells if he don't use them wisely.

Woodakoodashooda12/23/2019, 6:41:42 PM4 votes

The bonus movement speed on his passive ought to be removed.

LightswornLance12/23/2019, 3:00:25 PM4 votes

Tank's dont beat juggernauts at any point in the game. Unfortunately how it is.

nachocheeseeeee12/24/2019, 9:53:56 PM3 votes

How does he have less skill expression than old Mordekaiser? New Mord has 2 skill shot abilities (his main source of damage his Q is a skill shot, and so is hia gap closer E. If he misses all these abilities, he becomes vulnerable, so there is a risk-reward factor to his kit). Mord's shield is almost the same as his old shield too in the way you stack it, but it has a heal now. He is also meant to be an offense-based juggernaut, so he has to feel like a lane bully to an extent, I mean look at Darius, Illaoi, Garen, Aatrox. They all have high base stats, and generally tanks cannot 1v1 a juggernaut. If you are struggling with him, maybe play some Fiora, Trundle, Olaf in top. They all have sustain, and strong dueling potential, and synergize even better with Conqueror's than Mord. Fiora outscales him, and has more outplay potential with her W and mobility. Olaf can just ult out of Mord's ult, and has a nasty early game with the resets of his axes, and his insane attack speed boost from his passive. Trundle can take hits and heal back most of the poke damage from his passsive and W by CS-ing, and his ult and Q rob back lot of the stats that Mord steals with his ult, that is if Mord ults first (Trundle is not stuck with Mord in Mord's ult; rather Mord is stuck with Trundle in his own ult). Trundle also has that pillar to make an already immobile champion like Mord vulnerable to ganks if Mord is more than halfway into the lane. Same with Olaf with his axes.

Khâmul12/23/2019, 5:43:12 PM3 votes

Sure, because a 2m dude with huge armor and huge mace should be squishy. i'm also a morde main (old one included), and i like this version. I like bullying people . go complain about other champions, i had enough pain in the ass with the old with his bugs, now i just want to chill and murder the opponents. that's the perfect reward for me.

ChaosReyn12/24/2019, 9:58:38 AM2 votes

item 3140 makes him pretty much worthless, cause he can't beat you if he cant 1v1 you.

Also...Trundle shits on him, no contest, as long as you ult after he does. Aatrox can beat him JoJo's style. After the gnar buffs, I've found Gnar to hold his own pretty well.

Salvaged Vlada12/24/2019, 10:52:53 AM2 votes

The problem with Mordekaiser isnhe has too much lane pressure, kill pressure and lane priority while keeping hisnscaling for late game carry fights. EVEN if he'd have his scalinfs on Q and E gutred, he'd still carry late game due to his AOE spells being multictargetive whic let's him 1v5, and he can still build a sifferent item to compensate lack of burst auch as item 3068 for more AOE damage, amplified by constant item 3151 procs and magic pen.

Khâmul12/24/2019, 6:05:55 PM2 votes

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Bullying is not the problem with him, it him being so overtuned and with his godlike synergy with conquer and mage items, it extremely difficult to fight this guy at most points in the game. And him being so easy to win games is not a excuse for you to dismiss a genuine problem with a champion, and this goes for any champion in this game.

yeah, then start with irelia riven yasuo etc.. they still didn't get their nerfs yet.

LordGeovanni12/24/2019, 2:04:06 PM1 votes

Not that he had risk reward before his rework his Q was always up (like now ) and did a redicilous amount of burst so it was a burst tool that was always up that also made it a dps tool. no just run away isnt a counter then because its always up you cant take the first q damage not to mention the trippled 3rd q that (i believe just straight out did 80% of any champions hp out right and even seemed capped versus squishies that took 60% from his second just 2 fights ago and bought no resistances) His q had no down time just like his current Q that nukes you and his current passive that burns away at you while you try to fight him His old Q alone Nuked you and if you were lucky enough to be building 4 mr items it burned at you while he out healed your damage with gunblade

Salvaged Vlada12/24/2019, 2:19:58 PM1 votes

Wait wait wait.

Mordekaiser has flat magic pen on his E passive, not percentage pen.

KlydeFrog12/24/2019, 3:45:14 AM1 votes

Simple just play olaf ww or trundle and you face role morde . Just saying