My yearly Tristana Post: Solo Lane Tristana

Yordle Xayah·8/5/2019, 3:23:11 AM·10 votes·8,705 views

It seems that every year I end up making some kind of post regarding a Trist development. Probably 99% of readers won't remember me, but those that may do will know that this is not a topic to "win" an internet argument, bur rather attempt to reach some middle grounds that provide info and insight to any Rioter looking at the Boards. This time it seems that Solo Lane Tristana has been making some rounds, so before the boards explode with topics about it, what I wanna talk about is something that bothers me and that I'm trying to preemptively touch upon on.

The Context: I fear that Riot (and the player base) may fall into a double standard with Trist or any other ADC in a solo lane. For months now we've heard the balance/design team talk about how they want variety and diversity to exist in the game, and how they wanna keep Bot lane open for Bruisers and Casters, and even if they're not as prevalent as they once were, you can now pick mages, Yasuos or sometimes other characters in the Bot lane. Before, going Zoe Bot may get you a bunch of flame in Game Lobby, but nowadays everyone just kinda accepts is and rolls with it. Whether ADCs right now are or not in an overall balanced state is not the topic at hand, but it's very clear that the state of the Bot lane has changed. In the pro scene Rekkles is playing Karma, Perkz is playing Syndra, and then you have the infamous Sona/Taric and Sona/Kench lanes. In Solo Queue, while not as prominent, you'll find that mages just have a presence that just didn't exist in years prior, so I guess the balance team somewhat succeeded in creating diversity in the Bot lane.

My Concern: This diversity, does it apply only to Bot lane, or to every lane/role in the game? Cause it would feel very weird if Riot was talking about diversity in the Bot lane while squashing ADC characters in solo or even Jungle roles. Now, a lot of people may say "But ranged characters in Top is just not the way you're supposed to play Top and it's toxic" to which I could just reply "Mages/Bruisers are not the way you're supposed to play Bot and it's toxic" which I don't think is a very valid argument for either side. Because if that's the case, what are we as a community supposed to enforce? What is the Riot balance team aiming towards? True diversity that lets you pick your favorite champion in a variety of roles, or make sure each character is assigned to a very specific lane with little room to wiggle. Because I'm fine with either, as long as it applies for everyone and every lane. There's no reason why Bot lane should be treated differently in terms of champion variety. If Top/Mid players don't wanna deal with the auto-attacking ranged characters, I can just as much say I don't wanna see another Yasuo or mage ever again in the Bot lane.

Even though Trist Solo Lane was made somewhat popular by famous players, many of us have been playing her in a variety of lanes for years to different degrees of success. This isn't new, but it's sure trendy right now. I've seen many people complaining about how she's "not fun to play against even though she's not super meta" and that's EXACTLY THE SAME ARGUMENT I could use for Mages/Bruisers in the Bot lane. See where I'm going with this? Such arguments become meaningless in a world where Riot wants this "lane diversity" thing, and back in the day I actually opposed the idea because I honestly don't understand what's wrong with stable lanes that have common picks. Tanks/Bruisers for Top and Jungle, Mages and Assassins for Mid and Marksmen for Bot lane paired with utility or a tank. I've never liked the "Support Mage" mentality, with Brand/Lux "Supports" building full damage as if they were Mid, let alone the diversity thing Riot did a while ago, but if we're already in that world, why should Marksmen characters be ostracized from solo lanes specifically??

Again: If you say "It's not fun to play against" I can say the same for some Mages/Bruisers Bot and we'd just enter a circular argument where you tell me how Top Trist is toxic and how I tell you about Yasuo Bot and Sona/Taric in competitive play. This is a conversation that can only go one of two ways. We either have diversity and you learn to accept ADC characters in your Solo Lanes, or we can have rigid roles and I can have the Mages/Bruisers removed out of my Bot lane.

As for Trist herself, I don't think she needs nerfs right now. Her performance in solo lanes is actually pretty mild and any nerf would surely impact her Duo Lane performance, where again: she currently has a very mild performance. As a Tristana player, I think most of the success she's finding right now as a solo laner is due to how BorK works with her. It's a good effective item that allows her to be somewhat useful in this horrendous meta Meddler and his friends invented of a single-item arms race. A Solo Lane Trist that rushes IE will take too long to scale and won't really be able to do much until she has two items if the game is going well, or three if the team is losing and she's starved for resources.

So that's the solution: What are we rolling with? Diversity, or rigid roles. Pick one and commit to it. Cause I'm fine if you remove the chance for me to play Trist Mid if you get rid of Yassuo/Karma/etc. from Bot for good. We can all be contempt with our rigid lanes, or we learn to deal with weird picks in every lane for the sake of diversity in the game.

So in short:

  • I'm concerned about Riot/players having a double standards when it comes to "diversity of characters" in a lane.
  • If we're to have "diversity" in lanes, then it should apply to every lane and not just Bot. Let ADCs play Solo Lanes.
  • If ADCs are not fun to deal with in Solo Lanes, then lets get rid of Mages/Bruisers Bot that are also "not fun to deal with" as a Marksman in the Bot Lane.
  • Trist's mild performance in solo lanes is due to a rush of BorK that lets her stay somewhat competitive with a single item in the game's current flow.
  • Nerfs to Solo Lane Trist would impact her Duo Lane performance, which isn't the best right now.
  • Diversity with sometimes weird un-fun matchups, or rigid lanes like we had for years. Pick one.

Share your thoughts! Tristana

32 Comments

Z3SIeeper8/5/2019, 10:45:35 AM4 votes

If a champion that isn't designed for a role ends up being good in it there are a few things that can happen:

  1. (Super Rare) Absolutely nothing, they happen to actually be healthy and balanced for that role as well
  2. (Uncommon) Anywhere from slight nerfs to massive changes because they can not be healthy in that role (essentially removal from that role, can be in the form of power shifts as well).
  3. (Common) Slight changes to make them better balanced for that role (power shifts usually, not necessarily straight nerfs).

The usual problem with ADCs going to other lanes is rather simple actually. Mostly they are ranged right clickers (most newer designs aren't). If there isn't sufficient enough counterplay for non-ADCs they simply shouldn't be in the lane they are in. This is typically when their lane safety and/or right click damage is too high to be reasonably played against by (a majority of) champions not designed to deal with it.

Typically most ADCs are allowed to go mid, because 90% of mid laners have the tools to deal with them. This is why we don't really care if Corki goes mid.

However top lane is a bit different and can actually be chalked more up to the top laner kits not being designed for facing ADCs rather than ADCs just being broken vs melees. In the end it depends on the champion in question's range and lane safety.


Now on to Tristana herself:

Tristana's kit is actually pretty healthy for solo lanes (no self-peel until 6, lowish range to start with that ramps up with levels).

The only foreseeable problem with solo lane Trist is if the several buffs to her burst combo she got in previous patches turn out to be too much for solo lanes which could result in that being adjusted. It's currently extremely strong but has counterplay in the form of stand back and don't interact during those periods where her burst combo is strongest (which is valid counterplay, several champs have that in several matchups, especially melee vs melee matchups).

So all in all, I think she's fine to go to solo lanes, but don't be surprised if she does get some slight adjustments to accommodate it due to the above reason.


Lastly, don't bring up the double standard thing because it's actually extremely hypocritical when used to define ADC not being allowed in other lanes. Varus mid, Corki mid, Quinn top, Vayne top and Lucian top have all existed in the past/present without direct changes to kick them out of those roles.

That and top laners don't go bot. You may get 1 or 2 when the meta somehow favors them, but for the most part they don't. So calling double standard on top lane in particular never works. I really don't know what Bruisers bot you are talking about because the one or two that did (namely Darius) got kicked out within 2 or 3 weeks. In fact, non-ADC are currently not listed in bot lane tier lists on most sites right now other than Yasuo.

Basically never use the double standard argument for the ADC role, it doesn't work because ADC is the double standard role :)

Agent Corgi8/5/2019, 4:37:45 AM3 votes

I just played a game of Tristana Midlane vs Yasuo, It was actually some of the most fun I've had (especially for a Marksman character). Hopefully she doesn't get nerfed for being able to play in a Solo lane. She does indeed have clear weaknesses (baiting out her [W: Rocket Jump] & being relatively squishy) and she can be beaten by certain champions. Not to mention she can be CC'd during her Rocket Jump, which means she loses her engage/escape tool.

Also out of the 22 Marksman champions on the league roster, only 6-7 of them can be played in Solo Lanes as of right now (with varying degrees of success); Vayne Lucian Corki Ezreal Teemo Tristana Quinn Would definitely love to see more Marksman capable of playing on their own & not needing any assistance from a Support.

Agent Corgi8/5/2019, 4:59:29 AM3 votes

I tried out Tristana Mid simply because I was looking for something fun to play (I usually play Support, so I play Mid to try mixing things up) & I heard Tristana Mid/Top was becoming popular overseas. Honestly, League could use more Diversity & Innovation with Champion Picks. Makes the game much more interesting & more fun to play. Wierd Picks can be pretty good if that person can make their pick work (Swain Botlane, AP Shaco Top, Brusier Nocturne Mid, etc). [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

Śhunpo8/5/2019, 10:06:29 AM2 votes

Ok, then let assassins, mages and bruisers play bot lane lmao (and no Pyke, Xerath, Brand and Zyra are not who I am talking about).

Moody P8/5/2019, 10:27:44 AM2 votes

bruiser bot lanes don't stomp you out of lane and then scale to the heavens

Tristana solo stomps you out of lane and then scales to the heavens

this is an important distinction that you haven't written about

Let ADC play solo lanes

remove the idea of ADCs having a monopoly on the hypercarry archetype first

Troll for Trump8/5/2019, 8:07:55 AM2 votes

What's the counterplay to trist as Darius. You can't even farn easily in the mu. Even worse than trust is Caitlin who outright stops you from even getting xp and has better wave control than autopushing trist

WoonStruck8/5/2019, 6:20:32 AM2 votes

I'm all for ADCs going top and mid because it'll show that crit is still a broken stat that lets you stat-check even when you're severely down on gold/levels.

coreym118/5/2019, 6:46:09 AM2 votes

I don't know how this Tristana mid thing started but I assume some higher elo players started doing it. Iv'e been playing Jinx mid and its actually pretty good. Depending on the matchup and what the team needs I can be a high level adc or I can build lethality and go assassin. Building lethality allows me to zone my burst assassin lane opponent since Zap has a farther range than my autos. Outside of lane I chunk squishy champions such as the enemy adc, the support, or the midlaner for lots of hp. People should really give it a try.

OtterlyLost8/5/2019, 6:18:44 PM2 votes

Honestly, I would love for Trist Mid to continue being a thing. Its the most fun I've had with League in ages. Playing her bot lane has been rough and exhausting ever since patch 8.11 and, honestly, ever since they nerfed her base range. She gets poked out hard by a lot of other champions which nullifies the only way she can really get ahead and be relevant. At least in a solo lane, there's only one opponent and they have to choose between hitting her with their spells or farming with them, which is a lot of which makes mages fair mid lane. That active choice between trading with their spells or farming with them. Its part of why mage supports are so problematic to me; they can free spam without having to worry about losing gold. That is an issue and removes some of the actual real counter play from them.

That said, this is a well thought out post that summarizes basically what ADC players had been saying around the time 8.11 dropped last year; diversity isn't just allowing other champions to be bot lane. Its allowing bot lane champions to be in solo lanes as well.

Aatrox Airlines8/5/2019, 8:41:52 PM1 votes

You keep saying that bruisers botlane are a thing. they arent. Yasuo (singular) is the only bruiser (singular) who goes bot. Ever seen a jax adc? Unlikely. Ever seen an illaoi support? Unlikely. Ever seen an urgot adc? Probably, but before his rework. Ever seen a reksai go bot? Unlikely. Riven? Yeah...nah. The list goes on.

Nyarlathοtep8/5/2019, 6:27:30 AM

Jokes on you i want 0 diversity.

However there is something to note with you saying that diversity on is equally annoying with the adc going in other lanes (top specifically). You see, down in bot you are either a ranged carry, a ranged support, or a tank support. However when a ranged carry goes top he will usually face a melee champ. Among them there are mobile ones like irelia riven fiora camille renekton. However, among them there are also immobile ones, like darius morde illaoi nasus garen urgot aatrox (contrary to popular belief he is immobile he cant spam his dash to close distance because he needs it to reposition his q), sure the most mobile juggernaut but still immobile to the likes of riven and fiora) yorick volibear ornn maokai . Almost all these immobile champs are designed to more or less lane vs melee champs. They lack the tools to deal with ranged picks.

When these (lets call them IMC) get pitted against ranged picks, they have to rely on their jungler to help them (unreliable) OR that they make a grave mistake. Like going melee as vayne vs darius. Additionally IMC's counterplay usually involves kiting and cc, something that almost all ranged picks have. Sometimes one of them and other times both of them. Vayne for example has her q (kiting) and her e (peeling). Tristana has her high range dash (that can also be used to also dodge some hard cc because of how it functions) and her ulti (for peel). Cait ( i have seen her only once in top) has her w (cc) and her e (peel that also doubles for kiting). Like what can a volibear do when he faces caitlyn top? Sure cait's e has 16 cd vs voli's q 12 but voli will have to somehow overcome her traps. Not only that but, cait herself will also play safer now that her e is down.

And all these would be somewhat bearable if it wasnt for the fact that because of their carry nature they also scale very well to late. A cait will outscale almost all IMC. So, IMC cant play the "stall to late" tactic because the enemy benefits more by reaching late. And these applies to tanks too. To a lesser extent because of their utility.

Most ranged pick that goes top, even the most weak early, becomes a bully to almost all IMC.

(i didnt bother with adcs in mid because i find them rather less than optimal to say the least. A tristana that goes to face a fizz or akali is asking to get killed)