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50% winrate balance mechanism

mig mig warwick·2/14/2018, 6:14:28 AM·22 votes·2,741 views

im not creating this thread to cry over a losing streak .....

but i have one very honest opinion over this subject

i understand the system trying to keep the player at around 50% winrate and i accepted that along time ago but at the start of this season , i started wining alot i won most of my games and i had like 78% winrate , but suddenly i started getting games that was NOT winnable , either i had afk teammate or just bad players OR very good enemy who just simply out skilled me , and i lost 13 games in row , and my winrate came to 46% at that point i was very discouraged , and in a very bad mind set because of this losing streak

this balancing mechanism should be on a Balance state ... like one win 2 loss ... not 10 win in row 13 lose in row , this puts players in a bad state of mind and even good players will perform bad at this point

ive been playing for 2 years and this issue was always there , and it is one of the biggest issues ive had in this game losing streak makes me flame , pick champions that i havnt yet mastered , or overall perform bad , and ive checked other histories and noticed that other players who feed in a game or go afk or simply start flaming the team over one death ... also are in a losing streak , but looking at their kda and stats over all they arent bad players

my point is this system is creating that type of player which is not a good sport honestly :) not saying they dont exist by themselfes but ... get the point

also , this is just a thought , but i think riot matching system punishes grinders and people who play alot too , this is just a feeling but ,....

55 Comments

Mysticman892/14/2018, 6:25:30 AM11 votes

Riot matches based on mmr, and in theory two teams of (near) equal mmr will result in either side having a 50% chance of winning.

If you win, your mmr will go up, and if you lose, your mmr will go down. Hence when you are at your 'true' mmr for your skill level, you'll win 50% of the time. That's all there is to the forced 50% winrate thing.

It's not intentionally putting feeders on your team, or matching you with particularly bad players or whatever other conspiracies some people like to tote (which would have very noticable impacts on queue times, not to mention usually aren't consistent if you look at every player in a match instead of just the person feeling victimised by the system), it's matching you with equal mmr people, and when everyone is at their level, they'll lose about half the time. A lot of people, even at relatively high elo (and much worse at lower ones), are really bad at playing from behind, so once they initially lose lane (again, which has a 50% chance of happening), things tend to rapidly snowball and it looks like the person or people who lost lane had no business in that elo and were just utterly destroyed, despite them actually being roughly equal skill.

Now, perhaps theres are better ways they could matchmake that go into more depth, but as it is, it's just mmr. Just the single number, without looking at match history or streaks or whatever else.

edit: I figure I should also link the official word on this, as long as this thread keeps being a thing (and my upvote/downvotes seem to be on a daily rollercoaster): https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/csyuUKh8-why-does-ranked-keep-us-at-50-winrate?comment=0003

Cocho2/14/2018, 3:11:45 PM5 votes

Riot doesn't put feeders or afks on your team. People dont queue up thinking "im gonna feed hard this game" (well usually lol).

You're talking about actual people. If you looked at their match history, you'd see that they just had an unfortunate game, nothing else.

What happens is that when your MMR increases, your influence on the game decreases because you can't perform as well. At this point you just point the finger at whats holding you back when it could just be variance, or maybe you aren't as good as you think.

a 50% winrate is just what happens when you put 2 equally skilled teams against each other. Your LP gains and MMR is all that really matters. A person with a high MMR doesnt care because he's still going to get 25+ LP a win, and like -12 LP a loss. 50% winrate is FINE in ranked with high MMR.

I think your low damage numbers is very telling. You end the game with a loss, 10/6 on ekko jungle. You might think you lost bcause of the annie support, but that 3/10 annie support is dealing more damage that you.

Even when you get "bad teammates", there is very often things you could have done better.

https://imgur.com/469cpkP

The damage shouldnt even be close this game.

https://imgur.com/pfPLujr

Do more damage

Z3Sleeper2/14/2018, 3:19:30 PM4 votes

It's not really trying to do that. It's actively trying to match you with a team around your MMR and against a team with a similar average MMR.

If you are climbing, then your MMR is higher than your rank, meaning you can face higher ranked opponents whose MMR is lower than a climbing MMR at their level.

This is how plats get matched with diamonds. It's not the game trying to stump you, rather your "skill level" is equivalent to those diamonds "skill level".

Full Tank Jesus2/15/2018, 4:52:35 AM3 votes

I'm not sure about the 50% forced win rate. I mean streamers do like unranked to diamond in 24 hours going from Gold to diamond with like a 90% win rate. I think it's really based on skill.

All levels deal with bad players to an extent. You have to find the other good guy on your team and work for the win. If there is no other good guy then try to be the guy. And if you're not up to fight for the win, then don't play the game.

Clearly this game isn't played for fun on the ranked side of things. You play to win. Which people just want to win more because it means fun for them, but that's not the case in ranked. Other people are putting in time to get better too and climb. So you need to play better, look for moments of opportunity that you haven't before, see things that your enemy doesn't, see what they're going to do, play proactively not reactively. You have to be far Above them on every level to solo carry and have the best win rate.

If you are just playing through the motions, trying to catch someone in a lux q-e-R combo to win the game then play normals or a different game cause you need a bigger idea and execution to carry 4 other people

Mojihito6662/15/2018, 10:59:28 AM3 votes

I unistalled until RIOT fix it, or at least admit it or provide MMR data.

Propably i will never play again ...

Ahri Baka2/15/2018, 12:18:27 PM2 votes

Yo! I was gold 5 in season 7 , and Won 8 of my placement matches and ended up in Gold 5 , I was really happy , but now I'm on 20 losing streak , gosh , getting demoted to silver 2 soon and honestly , I'm in the same boat as you , I near to the point where I'm going to flame and I already started picking Champions that I haven't mastered yet , you don't know how much it hurts me when I'm a 8/0 Ahri against a 0/6 Zoe but still lost the match because her team carried :")

Recon12122/14/2018, 9:20:49 PM2 votes

Yeah this shit is so frustrating. Like if I’m doing good. That shouldn’t mean the system just loads my teams with people way worse than me and puts their team at my elo. It basically says, “we see you’re doing good, but can you handcary 4 trash bags? No? Ok have fun losing!”

Pandemic Punch2/14/2018, 10:23:20 AM1 votes

This is an interesting subject to me because I can't prove it wrong. We do have evidence that if you are good enough, you can carry these games regardless. Otherwise, good players wouldn't have multiple accounts in diamond and/or challenger. BUUUUT, what about us players that aren't good enough and have to stick with support-like champions? Like nothing but full tanks in the top lane and actual supports?

I have gone on three or four 13-16 game losing streaks this season already, only to follow it up with winning 16 out of 20 games right after. Usually on the win streaks, I will get inters or afk's in 50% of those games. I also noticed that my team might have 3 Silvers vs all Golds and Plats. Right now, I am currently on a win-streak and I have the higher ranked players on my team most of the time. I am also scared to play again right now since I know the losing streak is coming and I am in promos. It is intriguing...

However, I will go ahead and say this also..

I know the game pretty damn well in Solo Queue, so I see how it is DEFINITELY possible for me to win those games even WITH the inters and AFKers. However, my brain is significantly faster and more coordinated than my fingers on the keyboard. I am not mechanically good enough to pick Riven, Ekko, Yasuo, or any of those other champions who can hard carry games. I am stuck where I am because I HAVE to rely on my team with the champions that I play. So I deserve the rank that I have for that very reason.

Fun topic nonetheless.