@Meddler • Is Pantheon still going to get buffed?

Cowgirl Ed·4/11/2018, 2:16:36 PM·3 votes·1,481 views

I don't see him anywhere in PBE updates ;_; Also a few ideas:

  • Armor pen on Q
  • Critic threshold of Heartseeker Strike's passive (Certain Death) changing with skill level or champ level
  • Tweaks to W or W horrible scalings (move passive to W, give him a new passive?)

Champ is complete garbage and needs a rework, meanwhile you could at least make him playable. Well not even a rework, just some tools to survive. He is a diver but has absolutely no defense (and please don't say "his passive is a defense skill!")

7 Comments

Warlord Dienekes4/11/2018, 2:56:03 PM2 votes

See Pantheon's problem is that unless your enemy made some really dumb mistakes and fed him early, Pantheon's ability to carry is completely based on getting his allies to carry him. His ult is fantastic for giving Bot kills and letting Bot carry you harder.

Because of this, his winrate has kinda reversed. He used to have a high winrate at low ranks because he was one of the top 3 lane bullies and a poor winrate at high ranks because, well, he's easy to counter if you know what you're doing. Now, because his lane phase isn't actually good against the Meta picks, Doran's Shield+Second Wind counters his poke completely, that means he has to play completely differently.

It just so happens, that his other way of playing: safe farm with your Q then ult Bot lane and feed your carry early kills, is now his winning strategy. And he has higher winrate at higher ranks because they have the skill to actually coordinate with their Bot Lane to do it. And since right now, ADC's are basically the means of winning the game that's his dominant strategy. And he does it very well.

Riot mentioned the potential Pantheon buffs while this transition was still coming about. So, I don't know if they'll carry through with it. I'd personally enjoy seeing his ability to actually carry on his own being increased, while maybe toning down his ability to snowball Bot lane. But, that would probably just be a nerf in the current Meta. One that would make playing Pantheon feel better, but would also make laning against him even more miserable.

C9 Squeeky 4/11/2018, 3:16:41 PM2 votes

I kinda feel like his passive should also trigger upon receiving a # of basic attacks, instead of solely depending on whether Pantheon can AA 4 times or use W. He has a shield but he had to be aggressive in order for his shield to do anything?

Also, I think only blocking 1 AA is a bit weak in the context of a teamfight or skirmish. Really is only effective in lane or splitpushing when 1v1.

Ultîma4/11/2018, 4:17:18 PM2 votes

I hope Pantheon is fast-tracked on the VGU list so his ridiculously unfun and uninterractive playstyle gets deleted from the game.

There's a reason why Pantheon is dumpster-tier, and why absolutely no one except people who main him want to see him buffed, including Riot.

GhaelWinds4/11/2018, 4:26:59 PM2 votes

Good. keep him in the gutter.

-Fiora Main

Cowgirl Ed4/12/2018, 7:35:31 PM1 votes

Still nothing on PBE ;_;