NA 2017 Spring Split Team Rankings # 9

III BAKURYU III ·Dec 17, 2016·1 votes·781 views

9 NA Standings with a 5-13 record in this upcoming split

TEAM ENVYUS Average stat predictions (K-D-A-CS)

1.8 3.5 4.3 241 Seraph 1.8 2.4 5.3 124 Procxin 2.3 3.0 4.1 303 Ninja 2.8 3.1 2.7 297 Lod 0.6 3.0 6.1 31 Hakuho

After starting 4-0 last split(2016 Summer Split) some people really thought this team could be a powerhouse ( Keyword "some" ) talk about that later! So starting 4-0 at the start of the season, but only winning two-2-TWO series wins out of 8 overall 2-6 to end the season. I thought I was watching the 2011 Denver Broncos and how they lost out but still made it into the playoffs!

Envy really shot themselves in the foot in most games mainly focusing on objectives too much in the early stages of the game. This team would get small dragon leads in the first 15 mins and same can be said for towers but after that they just stopped and played their lanes. Why? You have an early dragon lead which means you're ahead you get 1-2 towers pre 15 and you just wait and do nothing for the rest of the game and believe me they would wait and wait and wait for what was longest game duration team for NA around the 38 mins per game. 15 mins good Envy - 23 mins bad Envy.
Team envy was really in the middle of the pack for teams for -dragons-towers-barons etc on the offensive side of things but you just wouldn't really expect that from a team leading the league in minutes played. They really reminded me of not just the Den. Broncos but TSM during the 2015 Summer Split and how slow they were and just playing the reaction games but the thing about TSM was they could rely on their talent on the team if in a hole. For Envy once in a hole they just still in for the most part.

Some of the reason on why Team Envy failed

A. Vision - they were decent at warding but not really great at all stages of a game. They would ward some at the start then stop in the middle of the game - then ward some at the end.

B. Players- mainly Seraph. Back half of the season and Playoffs(top die) he would just get destroyed at top in situations that you could just play passive and farm, instead he would play too aggro - die or too passive -die like he doesn't know how to sustain in lane and shame on the team in not doing anything or making a different playstyle for a player that has had this situation for years now since his CLG days. Seraph just can't survive in lane or do anything lane wise. Seraph would make a GREAT jungler tho - he's smart and he plays for the team always, he tries to make play and honestly isn't a KDA whore like some players, he will die to get his team ahead BUT you can't do that as a laner especially as the TOP lane, top lane was too much of an important role this past year.

PRO Players- The players on this team mean well and all are good players but let's be honest these are kinda like the throw away players or like the cabbage patch kids that no'one really wants but still do their job decent enough to get noticed. CON Communication Like I said before each Envy player has a special trait about them but it's hard to really use that trait when half the players can't really understand what you're saying.

PRO Team Envy started off hot last split but beating teams like NRG with the most passive jungler in NA history. APX with a 50 man roster that really had no reason being put together as they didn't really use any of their subs. TL with obvious behind the scenes problems and P1 with what has to be the worst support player that i'v seen. Good job. CON { Ignoring the fact that I pretty much bashed the team in the PRO section I will vice versa the situation in the CON section as well. } Ninja- Either he just plays slow or it's by accident but he has played in 56 NA normal split games with Team Dragon Knights(9) Team Renegades(5) and of coarse Team Envy(42), totaling up to 56 Games!!!!!! out of those 56 games 26 of those have been 40+mins. 19 -40mins 6 -50mins and 1 -60min games. So this guy knows how to play for the late game. The problem is he's constantly around the 67-68% kill participation for his team

My theory if this team wants to win Procxin and Ninja need to work together more. They are the only two that know what first blood looks like/taste like and they need to work from the mid lane to the top lane to get Seraph some items so he can actually survive in lane. If I coached Team Envy I would honestly watch some old school 2013-14 TSM footage to focus on the Jng-Mid synergy and work on trying to get other leads from roles if they still want to keep an early objective style game watch how 2014 SSW would play as well.

Overall I'm not holding my breath or expect any surprises from this team however with a Ninja on the team they could sneak up in the rankings will they?

Thank you and Happy Holidays!

7 Comments

Ale non è maleDec 17, 20161 votes

Communication a problem for EnVyUs? Seriously? They will be one of the few roster that completely returns from last season. If anything they will have to exploit the advantage they'll have in communication early in the split to bank some points for the hardest time that will come when some team stronger than them because of new imports/rookies will start to mesh together, and heck, even the level of English of their Korean should be good enough now that they have spent quite some time in NA

Their real problem right now is that they haven't improved as much as the other teams, so what were their strong point are not strong points anymore and they don't have a go-to-guy they can try to fed up to carry some game

I mean, with the influx of Koreans, Serpah who was once good for NA scene is going to be among the last in the new heavy KR filled top lane environment, LOD is decent but he has never been THAT good at LCS level, Ninja is good but does not make the difference vs a field full of imported mid laners for an entire split, Procxin after the good stint on Impulse and an hot start in Summer seemed lost with the change in jungle meta and will face a much superior jungler field than last year which extend serious question marks on what his future performance could be

The guy who stack up the best vs NA counterparts is probably Hakuho, and he is likely middle of the pack, forming a good but unspectacular bot lane with LOD - especially because they do not use an import slot in the process and this can help to eventually fix a weakness that could show up in top half of the map -

There are few hopes on that team, they are basically banking on Procxin to perform like he was doing at the start of the split to make the guy who stack up better vs the enemy team/performing better on that game/day to get ahead and thus carry that specific game, to then going to start from scratch on the next game. The coahcing staff will be crucial for them, because it is unlikely the players can figure it out every nuance byt tehmselves, and it does not seem like they have a very strong coaching support behind them right now

Them being at bottom of the standings is likely, that's why they have to use any single chance they will have to bank points and surprise the other teams to build momentum to carry on for the subsequent games and they need to invent their own playstyle to succeed

III BAKURYU III Dec 17, 20161 votes

Not so much language communication as in game communicating but good point I forgot they are I think one of two full roster from last split. Good point! Like I said first 15 mins of each game they would be ok they were in the top 3 in almost every selection as far as objectives, mid game/late game was the real issue for the team.

Any team not known as the big 4(TSM-CLG-C9-TL) will have bad coaching/behind the scene people because the name of the brand hasn't really been around.

Thank you for commenting, helps alot and Happy Holidays!

Ale non è maleDec 17, 20161 votes

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Not so much language communication as in game communicating but good point I forgot they are I think one of two full roster from last split. Good point! Like I said first 15 mins of each game they would be ok they were in the top 3 in almost every selection as far as objectives, mid game/late game was the real issue for the team.

Any team not known as the big 4(TSM-CLG-C9-TL) will have bad coaching/behind the scene people because the name of the brand hasn't really been around.

Thank you for commenting, helps alot and Happy Holidays!

The real issue for them were still more players skillset rather than communication Like, Seraph is considerably better in lane than what he is in the mid-late game, and exactly the same can be said for Procxin which is better early than in latter phases. After the first stages of the game it basically became Ninja being the only one left capable to carry vs the world, with the team disperately trying to fed him, while the enemies knowing this situation exploited that by playing around the map and outrotating them, hitting their weak points

EnVyUs is one of the oldest and biggest e-sport orgs around overall (they are dominant in other major e-sports), they could certainly offer more organizational support than the average LCS team, and they should use it at their advantage given that they have not a so good roster ,unlike what they are actually doing with their LOL team which has an average-ish support

Ale non è maleDec 17, 20161 votes

EDIT: Sorry double post

III BAKURYU III Dec 17, 20161 votes

Yeah I only meant the LCS Envyus I know the org has their hands in almost everything. Hell I think I remember some Gears of War 1-2-3 tournaments back in the day from that org.
That's why I'm putting them 9th for this split as your examples are another reason to place them there, unless they get a better/core group of guys.

All- Good about the double post, if you're talking about that box thing it doesn't bother me as I see it alot anyways and hasn't ever bothered me.

Ale non è maleDec 17, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=III BAKURYU III ,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=y4MNMB85,comment-id=0000000000000001,timestamp=2016-12-17T11:29:47.814+0000)

Yeah I only meant the LCS Envyus I know the org has their hands in almost everything. Hell I think I remember some Gears of War 1-2-3 tournaments back in the day from that org.
That's why I'm putting them 9th for this split as your examples are another reason to place them there, unless they get a better/core group of guys.

All- Good about the double post, if you're talking about that box thing it doesn't bother me as I see it alot anyways and hasn't ever bothered me.

EnVyUs has no super weak points, but really no one that can put them on their shoulders (ala Giants when Pepiinero was carryig a terrible team) They could be decent with good coaching even with this not very good group of players, but it doesn't look like they are stregthening their coaching staff

The double post was because miclicked quote rather than edit and then saved, LOL

III BAKURYU III Dec 17, 20161 votes

Ah Pepperoni, now that's a name I haven't heard in a while yeah his team sucked.