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Breaking down Worlds 2015 Group D

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At last, we come to Group D.

Featuring the No. 1 Chinese seed along with three teams that each finished in 2nd place in their respective Summer Splits, this looks to be one of the toughest and most closely matched groups competing at the 2015 World Championship.

TEAMS

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LGD Gaming

  • Top: Cheon-ju "Acorn" Choi
  • Jungle: Zhu "TBQ" Yongquan
  • Mid: Zhen "GODV" Wei
  • ADC: Seung-bin "imp" Gu
  • Support: Chen "Pyl" Bo

LGD Gaming added two Korean rockstars to its starting roster for the 2015 LPL Spring Split: World Champion and former Samsung White AD carry imp and former Samsung Blue top laner Acorn. After faltering in the Regular Season and placing 6th in their first LPL Split together, LGD came back strong in the Playoffs. They finished with back-to-back 3-0s against OMG and Snake, before the Mid-Season Invitational champions Edward Gaming finally took them down 3-2.

The team faced some hiccups in the early part of LPL Summer when their starting support and captain Pyl was out for jaw surgery, and it took a while for them to gel when he returned. But once they did, LGD soared. In the Playoffs Semifinals they once again met up with Edward Gaming, and this time, LGD came out on top. In a dominant series, LGD swept Edward Gaming 3-0 before going on to win the Summer Finals against the Qiao Gu Reapers.

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KT Rolster

  • Top: Chan-ho "Ssumday" Kim
  • Jungle: Dong-bin "Score" Go
  • Mid: Sang-moon "Nagne" Kim
  • ADC: Dong-hyeon "Arrow" No
  • Support: Jong-beom "Piccaboo" Lee

After making it to the LCK Summer Finals three years in a row, KT Rolster are finally heading to their first World Championship. Yet the path wasn't easy for them. When the Spring Split started, KT struggled after losing stars KAKAO and RooKie to China's Invictus Gaming. And even with a late rush of victories in Spring, they still finished just outside of the Playoffs in 5th place.

Bolstered by the addition of support Piccaboo in the latter half of Summer, KT made a strong run through the second split of the LCK. Piccaboo was talkative, aggressive, and worked with jungler Score to set up vision and make plays around the map. They ended up all the way in the LCK Summer Finals against SKTelecom T1, where they swiftly fell 0-3. Down but not out, KT put a finish to the Jin Air Green Wings' run through Korea's Regional Qualifiers, coming out victoriously and -- at last -- punching a ticket to Worlds.

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Team SoloMid

  • Top: Marcus "Dyrus" Hill
  • Jungle: Lucas "Santorin" Larsen
  • Mid: Søren "Bjergsen" Bjerg
  • ADC: Jason "WildTurtle" Tran
  • Support: Jang-sik "Lustboy" Ham

This has been a year of ups and downs for Team SoloMid. They looked in top form back in March when they won the IEM World Championship. At the time, they relied largely on diverting their resources to get their star mid laner Bjergsen in a strong position to carry games. Leaning on this seemingly solid strategy, TSM went on to win the 2015 NA LCS Spring Split over Cloud9 the following month.

But a few weeks after TSM’s back-to-back first-place finishes, their one-dimensional style was heavily exposed by the international competition at the Mid-Season Invitational, prompting TSM to spend the majority of the Summer Split revamping their one-dimensional strategy and developing into a more well-rounded team. While they've still managed to make it to their fifth World Championship, TSM is entering the tournament under a lot of pressure to perform after a crushing 0-3 loss from their rivals Counter Logic Gaming at the NA LCS Finals.

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Origen

  • Top: Paul "SoaZ" Boyer
  • Jungle: Maurice "Amazing" Stückenschneider
  • Mid: Enrique "xPeke" Cedeño Martínez
  • ADC: Jesper "Niels" Svenningsen
  • Support: Alfonso "mithy" Aguirre Rodriguez

Origen remarkably earned a trip to Worlds after having only participated in one LCS split. Hand-picked by World Champion xPeke, this squad of seasoned veterans and rookies alike quickly reached its goal of becoming an elite LCS team in less than a year.

Their road to Worlds was swift and impressive. Coming off a 9-1 record in the 2015 EU Spring Challenger Series to make their way into the EU LCS, Origen cruised through much of their debut LCS Split while avoiding many of the growing pains we've come to expect from new rosters. Relying on their three diverse carry threats of xPeke, SoaZ, and Rookie of the 2015 EU LCS Summer Split, Niels, Origen made it all the way to the Finals, where they snatched away Fnatic's undefeated record before falling to them in a heroic 3-2 series. Not content to give up so close to the finish line, they rose through the Regional Qualifiers and secured their spot at the World Championship.

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Group Dynamic

LGD Gaming is considered the heavy favorite in Group D and looks to be a strong contender to take the Summoner's Cup. Why? Because their confident, oppressive style, minion control, and strength at every position make them a nightmare at all stages of a game. They'll bring constant kill pressure regardless of who they're playing and take multiple objectives after they've put an enemy in the ground. While many of the teams in Group D often aim to scale up or split-push, LGD won't let them do either. Moreover, their technical prowess will make it hard for any team who tries to stand up to them.

Aside from LGD, the other teams in Group D are more evenly matched. Will Origen build around xPeke's Varus and poke? Will they bring global pressure with SoaZ's split-pushing Gangplank or Shen? Will they scale up around Niels' monstrous Kog'Maw or Vayne? It's all on the table. And while they could be exploited while trying to reach power spikes, Origen's got a nice variety of strategies to work with against every team in the Group.

KT and Origen have similar champion pools across the board, and we've seen them both excel with a split-push style. But at their best, the roaming duo of Score and Piccaboo are more adept at gaining advantages across the map for their team than their counterparts in Group D. The aggressive priority KT places on forward vision -- which we haven't seen as strongly from Origen or TSM -- also allows KT's laners to stay safe and quickly react to ganks. So if a team can keep Piccaboo in lane and slow down Score, they'll be able to expose a huge weakness in KT's strategy.

Team SoloMid could get overwhelmed by teams forcing early-game aggression if they stick to their timid, scaling style. And if Dyrus gets too far behind any top laners in Group D, he'll get punished. Every top laner here can carry, and Ssumday especially will push down top, then shift to split-pushing every lane if given even the slightest advantage. But what TSM has going for them is their excellent team fighting, which can't be discounted. If TSM's able to force the split-pushers to waste their Teleports around a late-game objective, it could provide them the opportunity needed to take a game-deciding fight. Dyrus has shown he can tip the scales of a fight with a slick Teleport flank, but against these seasoned teams, it will be a much tougher task.

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Playstyles

Aside from LGD, who seemingly emphasizes killing over all else, Group D is one of the closest in terms of play styles. We'll get to see how teams have prepared to dismantle the well-known styles of several squads, and if these squads have adapted to show off some new top lane carries. Overall, there are two main themes in the group, coming at you from the north and south of the Rift.

This is the group of top-lane studs. Ssumday, SoaZ, Dyrus, Acorn, and Flame, LGD's substitute top laner, have all shown their versatility with the ability to tank, carry, or split-push for their teams as needed. Now they'll be in the spotlight at a time when the top meta has shifted to add juggernauts and viable fighters to the mix, opening up even more opportunities for top laners to make an impact.

At the opposite end of the map, the supports of Group D aren't there to babysit their carries. Piccaboo and Pyl especially are more often in other lanes than their own, roaming in some cases for several minutes with their junglers. Opting into a 1v2 could be dangerous for every team. It would allow these supports to saunter away and create advantages in other lanes, dropping protective wards on their own side of the map and aggressive wards in the enemy jungle along the way. They're all known to do it, and that's something every team needs to watch out for.

Key Players

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imp

Expect this World Champion to absolutely terrorize Group D. Attending his third Worlds in a row, imp is self-sufficient in lane and plays with the utmost confidence in his own superb mechanical abilities. He forces trades and aggressively Flashes to lockdown kills, then roams to sniff out and finish off mispositioned players. Whenever the option presents itself, prepare to watch imp punish opponents with perfect positioning and profound damage output. He's an outright bully with every champion in his deep pool. While he's fun to watch, he's not going to be fun to deal with for anyone in Group D.

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Ssumday

Ssumday was a troublesome split-pushing menace before the Juggernauts came along, and now he's going to have even more tools in his toolbox. Adept on tanks and carries, the LCK Summer Split MVP is able to beat down his lane opponent, then control the map with swift rotations, constantly moving to chip turrets down in different lanes. He's not as decisive with his Teleports as the other top laners in his group, but he makes up for it with his ability to make teams deal with his unrelenting pressure.

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Bjergsen

Bjergsen has consistently proven himself to be the strongest member of Team SoloMid over the course of the year. While in Spring he was given resources and help to carry games, TSM has since moved away from doting on their star mid laner. Nevertheless, he's still performed. Winning his lane and continuing to be a commanding presence throughout games as the team’s shotcaller, his superior decision making coupled with his top level mechanics make him an absolute terror in team fights. He may no longer be the focus of every TSM team composition, but he strengthens all of them.

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SoaZ

Climbing his way back into the LCS with Origen, SoaZ has continued to develop his top lane talent with excellent play on tanks, mages, and hard carries. The veteran unleashed a devastating Gangplank showcase against Fnatic in the EU LCS Finals, and with the Worlds meta favoring top laners -- not to mention bringing his favored Lissandra back into the mix -- we may get to see a few more surprises from him in Group D.

Wildcards​

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GODV

There's no doubt that GODV can perform well in mid and slay his lane opponents with or without assistance. The flexible player has proven himself to be strong with assassins, control mages, and utility champions, evolving under Pyl's guidance. Oftentimes he'll take a significant lead in lane and use it to his advantage as he roams the map to empower his side laners. GODV is a capable player and one of the best mid laners in the LPL, but he's never performed on the international stage. He's experienced, versatile, and confident, but how will he be able to adapt to this level of competition?

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Niels

Niels has only been through one LCS Split and he's already heading to the Worlds stage. While he may get jitters, he didn't seem too nervous in front of a live crowd at the EU LCS Finals in Stockholm when he became a force that Fnatic had trouble keeping down. He's surprised and dazzled throughout his LCS debut, showing he can skillfully play a variety of scaling champions and hyper-carries. Now as he heads to the top level of competition, he'll have to maintain his top-tier form. Luckily he's surrounded by seasoned Worlds veterans who will help him to do so.

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WildTurtle

This year WildTurtle's ridden TSM's unpredictable rollercoaster. At times he's soared, scoring Pentakills and jaw-dropping boss steals. But more often, he's struggled in games, making critical errors and going for inopportune engages. At one point he was even subbed out for his poor performance. WildTurtle's since stepped up, becoming less of a liability for his team. But he's still not known to win his lane and doesn't often become a threat until late game team fights. At Worlds, he needs to shore up his playstyle problems and be careful to not fall too far behind against the dominant AD carries he's up against.

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Prediction Time

Based on recent performances, you can think of Group D as you'd think of a sandwich. There are clearer choices for the top and bottom teams, but it's the two in the middle that could go either way.

LGD Gaming is the frontrunner in Group D. imp is hungry to become the first two-time World Champion, and he's just one overwhelming factor on this elite team. Other teams do have ways to gain advantages against LGD, but they will quickly and mercilessly retaliate to take them away. If you kill one of theirs, they will take two of yours. They'll aggressively dissect opposing teams, roaming the rift without hesitation to pick apart the other teams in Group D.

It's much harder to rank the teams in the middle of the stack. But because KT Rolster is so reliant on Ssumday's split-pushing and the vision granted by Piccaboo and Score, Origen can probably shut them down and come out on top. Origen was able to figure out and adapt to Fnatic's early game strategy in the EU LCS Finals in order to exploit them, and they've had plenty of time to scout out KT's staple techniques. It's no secret that Nagne and Arrow fall behind when Piccaboo is locked down, and he and Score can easily be caught out through defensive warding and quick rotations. SoaZ is strong enough to match Ssumday's split-push, especially with Amazing there to back him up. It won't be easy by any means, but if Mithy and the rest of Origen can keep up with vision, they won't get strangled out of the map, and will be able to take hold of 2nd place in the group.

And if Origen can keep up with KT, it's not completely out of the question that Team SoloMid can too. But it's less likely, because getting ahead of any of these teams revolves around a strong early game, and that's something we haven't seen from TSM in a long time. They desire to be a team that takes early advantages and pressures lanes, but the reality is they're reactive instead of proactive. Rather than split-pushing, sieging, forcing fights around objectives, setting up forward vision, or pushing any sort of advantage, they stall. They cannot do this if they want to advance from this rock-solid group. In a similar vein to how Origen can exploit KT, every team in Group D is ready to pounce on the recently passive playstyle of TSM.

  1. LGD Gaming
  2. Origen
  3. KT Rolster 
  4. Team SoloMid

Now that you've seen our prediction, go make your own with Worlds Pick 'em! ​If you're looking for more Worlds insight, check out our other Worlds breakdowns of Group A, Group B, and Group C. 

220 Comments

B8KD36 votes

Honestly I'm rooting for all the NA teams. I think its time we overthrow our eastern overlords :O item 3060

RobotEthanMars9 votes

This is literally the worst worlds for comparitive NA strength ever. Last year was our best, and we took three total games of Korea, including playing multiple Bo5s.

It's not happening.

Croooow5 votes

I agree with this, but CLG might come up big you never know. :(

TheSequelsRBad5 votes

I don't know. I am hoping for the best, but I think the overthrow of our overlords may be put off till season 6. :(

aítch4 votes

DO YOU NOT BELEIVE IN H2K OR C9??? THE DREAM EZREAL GUIS EZREAAAAAAAAAAAAL Ezreal

rserin2 votes

But bruh.... Tilted Since Msi

jjjj4rd29 votes

Baylieve 2015? :/

rumblerick26 votes

TSM I BELIEVE IN YOU, YOU WILL CRUSH LGD

korean dog11 votes

haha no western team will crush any Asian team except for Maybe Fnatic and that is a long stretch as well.

Griffin78629 votes

Everyone is underestimating the western teams and mostly the NA teams so much right now.

korean dog7 votes

yeah because they know western teams are inferior to Asian teams. Just listen to all the analysts and experts. Even NA and EU casters don't give them much hope.

Klavinova16 votes

I'm an NA fan, but realistically, TSM and CLG won't win worlds. If you watch the games, the objective control and ward control just isn't the same at all. I don't know why people are saying Fnatic don't have a chance. Fnatic and Origen have done really well in their games, Fnatic even did well in MSI and almost beat SKT. It is true that LGD, EDG, SKT, and KT look to be the favorites, but don't discount the other teams.

rumblerick10 votes

I didn't ask for all the 'I think i know the game well so koreans will obviously win' crap, i believe in TSM and i know for a fact that they will atleast get out of the group.

RobotEthanMars11 votes

So you're saying that experts of multiple regions are wrong, and you, TSM fan, is obviously right that TSM will do well?

HMM...

dlwMEjdlrE9 votes

I'm a massive NA fan more specifically C9, but in reality I've watched almost every LCK/LPL game and after watching them its quite clear NA and EU don't stand much of a chance. These are teams that take this beyond serious and are some of the most elite players in the world. EDG apologized publicly after attaining their first loss. Those teams are so aggressive and play with so much confidence it's going to be a surprise if NA teams can even make it out of groups.

Eleshakai5 votes

Honestly, I don't really think they are. The NA teams did not show the level of synergy, diversity, and mechanical skill that other regions have been cultivating at their top ranks.

NA teams play like lower tier Korean/Chinese teams right now... and we saw how well THOSE teams did against the best of their region.

That's not to say it isn't possible... I like all three NA teams being sent to worlds and they all have high potential ceilings... but they really have to reach if they want to be competitive.

I would say CLG has the best chance out of NA just because they showed a fairly consistently strong early game playstyle for most of the split which is probably more important than anything else in this year's worlds. If you can't avoid losing the game in the first 10 minutes, it doesn't matter how strong your late game is... and both C9 and TSM have shown a tendency to rely on strategic decision making in the late game to win.

FNatic has that problem to an extent too... but they have shown strong early games when they really put their mind to it, and I think their coaching staff + yellowstar gives them a better chance of fixing this problem.

Overall I think Origen is actually the Western regions' best hope overall right now, simply because FNatic does have that tendency that is likely to be exploited by LPL and LMS teams with their extreme early teamfighting. If I had to rank Western teams in terms of likeliness to make a name at Worlds I'd say:

Origen - FNatic - CLG - TSM - C9 - H2K

C9 would be above TSM if not for the group they drew, in my eyes right now because of C9's high morale and upward trend.

Marine Biologist3 votes

er no tsm will probably go 1-5 or 0-6, clg got svenskerend, maybe for the better, they can probably make it out of groups, if they adapted to huhi as a jungler, and c9 is realistically doomed. Fnatic has the best shot to make it out of groups, origen can maybe give ktr a run for their money, but probably can't win, and h2k is doomed, will enjoy watching faker vs ryu though.

Twai23 votes

TSM, please, I BAYLIEVE.

Even though I know TSM got 3-0'd by CLG, I just hope they can win at least a few our get of groups. I'm not blinded by my faith to them, but all I can do is wish.

p0psicles20 votes

Dyrus and "stud top laners" should never be mentioned in the same sentence.

woodvsmurph19 votes

Teams are so overrated or underrated, it is beyond laughable. EDG won vs SKT, so they are clearly the best in China? They won through a 1 time strategy. Maybe they can beat SKT again, maybe not. But you can't say from this season that they definitively have SKT's number. Secondly, we saw what team WE did to the KOO tigers this season and WE did not go on to dominate summer split in China. Tired of all this bs about China and Korea are better than anyone else. Tired of this Fnatic are the gods of the west. You have no clue. People saying this honestly remind me of MonteCristo (not sure on spelling) who casts Korea. He way overrates any Korean team and downplays other regions' strengths. Looks at a team comp played by one team and says he does not understand the viability of it and watches the same comp (or comparatively the same -- with few champs subbed, but ones that do same role with similar abilities) and talks about how brilliant it is not a week or two later or earlier. Example: hating on frozen mallet gnar when it was a new idea. Now it is very standard depending on the matchup. Not a fan of any NA team going to worlds, but rooting for NA as a region. Truth -- most of the teams at worlds have the potential to beat any other team there depending on how well each plays on a given day, how their strategies match up, and how prepared they are to face their opponent's team comp. Not every team has faced every team comp that will be run. A "better" team can get knocked out by a "weaker" team because their playstyle just happens to prey on the exact weaknesses of the "better" team. For example: you can't objectively study Origen's performance this season and claim they played better than C9 or TSM did last season -- especially their worlds performance by the latter 2 last season. So this good, but not epic team is nearly able to beat the almighty Fnatic. Then step over to the NA scene. Watch the C9 gauntlet run. You can't tell me they did not match Origen's level of performace vs Fnatic or even exceed it. Big deal, you argue -- they sucked rest of season and that's the team that will show up when worlds play starts. Clearly their gauntlet run was a fluke. I thought that for the first 2 series, but not after they qualified. I am not some crazy C9 fan, but I would actually be practicing if I were in a group with them. Because resting on the fact you had a better regular season than them is a sure way spend most of worlds spectating as C9 goes on to the knock out stage. Why do the analysts write of CLG? Two reasons -- probably no Xmithie and because they have a history of choking under pressure. The first is an issue no doubt. The second -- CLG showed they can beat that with their first place finish this season. You bet I expect that tilt might show up again though if they lose first 2 games of their group stage. If it does not though, CLG can steamroll over anyone in their group just as easily as KOO or any other team in their group can. Claim Origen has no chance? Try again. They easily have ability to get second in their group if they play up to their potential. Calling anything almost certain is just stupid at this stage. Watch the first round of games and then you can get an idea. But what do I know. I'm trying to use logic, and that is frowned upon by many in league -- at least at my rank.

POiNtyBalL9 votes

Hmm wonder which western teams got out of groups in 2014 worlds.......

RobotEthanMars5 votes

2014 Worlds is really relevant to 2015 Worlds. :>

woodvsmurph2 votes

No and yes. Saying C9 will reach quarter finals because they did last year at worlds would be a stupid statement and lack any evidence. Same for any other team at worlds last year. This applies to MSI as well though. Metas have shifted -- which hurts some teams and benefits others more -- allowing a shift in power from what we saw at MSI. Teams have also improved. Including TSM -- not sure how much, but definitely some. You look at recent performances, you look at where teams are at in their region now to where they were last season at worlds and to where they were at this summer split. My point about last season worlds is that C9 in gauntlet run looks scarier than C9 did last year at worlds. Thus, they have potential to perform better at this year's worlds. And if you look at how they did last year at worlds, they were a team to be reckoned with. Could they fall flat on their face and look worse than any other team at worlds this year? Yes. Could they surprise everyone and win their group -- maybe. Just look at Fnatic in finals of summer. Origen nearly beat them and exposed weaknesses analysts had not seen or given weight to. When teams are dominating and suddenly meet a team that throws a giant wrench in their plans, how does that team adapt? Some go too agro and throw instead of stalling to catch up and fighting when they have their later powerspikes. Others make the right picks to get back to even and ride their momentum to a win. Still others handle it in yet more ways. Point is that until they have data on how teams will react to this, it is impossible for analysts to account for this with accurate statistics. Meaning it is a gut check more than anything else. When you see a team comp from champ select and just know a team lost no matter what others are thinking and no matter that they are the stronger team according to all the stats. Sometimes you just know things the stats can't show until the match is played. So yeah, stick with the stats-based analysis if you want. They let bias color their opinions and analysis too.

Hazare10 votes

_ People saying this honestly remind me of MonteCristo (not sure on spelling) who casts Korea. He way overrates any Korean team and downplays other regions' strengths._ ^ This. I'm tired of people Quoting Monte as an actual reference when he's basically in love with anything Korea related and hates on absolutely anything else. (and I'm using "in love" instead of something else that could've been said.)

Wyvern Mistress2 votes

I think you are falling into the same exageration yourself a little, when they say TSM is going to be last place in the group, they are not saying they will get trashed, it's a prediction after all, based on actual data and hopefully careful comparisons, based on percentages and recent performance, what they state is quite correct, but when we come and not see the love we want to see for the weaker team and jump the gun, be honest with yourself, see how players and teams play on a mechanical level or handle the map or stages of the game, asiatic teams are damn good, wheter we like to admit it or not, most of our meta eventually takes from theirs. Yes, everything can happen and a lot of it will, but you can't realistically just come and say TSM is gonna end up first if the whole year's history is telling you the -chances- of that happening are slim, I see tons of hate comming to this arcticles, and believe me, I am tired of seeing koreans vs chineese/koreans in the final stages of the Worlds, I truly wish CLG or Origen or etc make it out, but when you shut down the fanboy for a moment and look at the actual data, dammit, I can't help but agree on the general predictions, even of not as much on the Wildcard stuff and else.

f1nalcha0s8 votes

Stopped at when people reminding you of Monte bs. Welp, Monte was right for the last two WC, and clear favorites were SKT and White respectively. NA is by far the worst region at worlds this year excluding wildcards whom I don't even count as qualified for worlds. TSM? I'ld be surprised if they win 1 game. C9? Maybe 1 game. CLG is going to get out of groups but pray to god for their RO8. Hope TSM gets crushed 20mins ff all their games and dyrus finally steps down for the younger, better players.

woodvsmurph6 votes

Monte is a smart guy. He lets his bias for anything Korean and specific teams in Korea influence him too much though. As I pointed out, he actually commented on stream that he thought frozen mallet gnar was a bad item choice. Given it was a new item at the time, but the point of getting it vs a hecarim (pre homeguard-tp nerf to his passive) should have been obvious. I'm not a genius and I saw its purpose right away. Because the gnar player was not a Korean top laner at the top of Monte's list and his hecarim opponent was higher on that list, Monte let that make him miss the huge effectiveness of frozen mallet.

C9 could make it out of groups, or get dead last by an embarrassing margin -- depends on if they keep their gauntlet run form. Point of it is that you don't have a clue how they stack up internationally, so stop trying to call it like you know everything. Never said TSM is gonna get to knock out stage. Never said any team from NA or EU is. I pointed out they have more potential and are getting underestimated by some just because TSM did badly at MSI. Writing a region off like that is dumb. That's like people writing EU off heading into MSI based on poor showing at IEM this year. And look how that worked. Everyone that said EU was gonna suck at MSI looked like an idiot.

Manwalrus16 votes

Origen over KT...Bold prediction.

Apoch223 votes

xPeke is 3-1 vs favorited Korean teams at worlds, and this years KT I don't think is nearly as strong as those other teams. I don't think it's exactly ridiculous.

Manwalrus5 votes

I never said that I was picking one over the other, I said it was a bold prediction to favor a western team over a korean or chinese team, and it's also a step in the right direction.

Griffin78612 votes

Im going to be so happy when TSM(and the other NA teams) destroys everyone in the group and shuts up all the people who believe that NA has no chance at all to do well at worlds

ShovelWraith10 votes

WTF?!Everyone is hating on TSM! TSM I BELIEVE IN YOU! They put a lot of time during this break to practice, they will come back improved by a huge percentage!

Linthe5 votes

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WTF?!Everyone is hating on TSM! TSM I BELIEVE IN YOU! They put a lot of time during this break to practice, they will come back improved by a huge percentage!

Then what IS the plan exactly...

Bjerg is solid.. but in this tournament.. he will NOT be head and shoulders above his mid lane opponent. In fact, in some matchups, HE may be worse.

Turtle had a VERY up and down year.. with some great clean up games.. But some games where he was VERY tentative and horribly out of place.. They arent getting wins unless Turtle plays well.

Lustboy basically disappeared the entire year. I remember when he first came on the scene.. his Janna games were BEAST.. now it seems like he is trying to make plays and is NOT on the same page as the rest of the team. (Language problems?)

What is Santorin's role?? Is he just a ward bot? In the past, he would leave Dyrus out to die in order to get Bjerg fed. That wont work. He is going to need to make or at least set up plays (for Bjerg or Turtle). Can he? WIll he?

Stupendoes4 votes

As a die hard C9 fan I say we should all pool our energy together to get TSM Spirit and C9 Flame to happen. Worlds Finals 2016 Confirmed.

dragonknight2262 votes

in my opinion they should bench santorin i even think odd one is better than him lol

Marine Biologist5 votes

0-6 to 1-5 is technically an infinite amount of improvement :)

Justaslave9 votes

You made a mistake: Under ´Players to watch´ you state that Imp is attending his seccond world championship in a row but he's attending his third.

RiotSpinneli17 votes

Thanks for the catch! =)

Michael Jorgans8 votes

If TSM is playing the right people at boot camp than i know that TSM can win agenst teams like SKT and fanatic will C9 i love um alot but not even going to get out of gropes it was a fluke that they are even in this. If TSM can get mid and adc kills and top not feed this can be a good group for them most of the hard teams are in it MOST

Natsuki Chan2 votes

TSM will have to play as good as FNC or they will won't get out of group stage. LGD and KT are just too powerful.

Xa7h3 votes

This group is actually horrible for TSM. Dyrus vs Acorn Soaz and Ssumday. He is going to tilt hard they will camp him and win the game based off of carry tops it's going to be brutal.

hi i mid ez4 votes

Yes, you're absolutely right. TSM can definitely beat SKT! After all, you're bronze 2 so you clearly know what you're talking about!

Bamega3 votes

OHHHH SCHOOLED BY SOMEONE WITH A BETTER METAL-RANKING THAN YOU OHHHHHH. ELO name-dropping ftw.

Croooow6 votes

TSM got the D, gg.

Deer Merchant5 votes

Last year they said NA wouldn't make it either.

Gank N Spank Em4 votes

Origen leave group as second, kt third sounds correct to me. korea is NOT as strong as they were last year and the west is catching up.

AfflicXion6 votes

i really don't see OG beating KT. Reckless, recently hasn't been playing his best and it's questionable if he even carries the team. KT will most likely exploit this. Ssumday can be left on his own vs soaz; he'll at least leave the lane even. i can only see OG winning over KT is when OG will play mechanically better and play around KT's average mid laner

ShadowFiend81210 votes

Wait when rekkles go to Origen? I think you mean Niels

Hersheyx8083 votes

Hope TSM can win the worlds!

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