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How does C9 win?

Mattybbridges·10/11/2016, 3:46:01 PM·4 votes·1,268 views

SSG has shown to be a fierce foe to anyone they combat. Dominating groups when they were counted out. C9 got out by the skin of their teeth (Thanks SKT). However there is one saving grace for them. Game time. SSG in term of stats destroy C9. The only numbers higher for C9 is their game time. SSG only had 193 minutes in all of their games, C9 had a whopping 284 minutes. Why does this matter? This matters because it is the only way they will win. Somehow C9 is incredible at losing the early game, and winning the late (FW game 1 exp.) they need to bring this to late game. SSG is good in the early game, they are also good at finishing those games fast. However I believe if these games get beyond 40 minutes, it will be a C9 win. Now thinking of this how does C9 make this happen? Easy, Wave clear, Scaling, and team fights. TEAM FIGHTS. If C9 want to bring this into late that means they need to win the late. If they pick and ban accordingly. If C9 goes for the early game dominance, it will be a early loss. All said who to pick? Here's a good question, why is Meteos not playing ZacZac ? He has shown great skill with him being called the best in the world. He is great ganking at all points during the game, great at baron steals, and mostly best at team fights. If C9 ban Poppy Poppy, it will be a huge advantage. Jensen? I do not know why Jensen is playing like its black and white. Extremely good, or Extremely bad. He needs to get on those safe late game picks. Orianna Orianna? Viktor Victor? These picks will give him the wave clear all game, the safety of defensive kits, and lastly game changing team fights. He can get there and do so well, the problem is getting there. Impact? Aatrox Yeah give him whoever, he will win or at least attract jungle. Lastly the bot lane. Sneaky is a great ADC, but it seems he can't get rolling with the EZEzreal . Why not a champ that helps with the wave clear, allows him to play safe while contributing to team fights. Varus Varus, Caitlyn Caitlyn? Or being true to his name, bring out the Twitch twitch! And lastly Smootie. He is rough and the edges right now. He needs a champ that can play offensive, and defense. That he wont get destroyed every time he sees an enemy champ. Braum Braum is fine. Though he needs to play a bit better early. What about Thresh thresh? Peeling, and initiation. He has the ability to pull it off, it allows them to get to late. Karma Karma is also a good pick, as long as he stops playing Karma like a tank and plays back so he isn't caught every time. C9 are the under dogs, but they have a chance. I really feel they need to pull out the team fights and win that way, not in the first 10 minutes. I do acknowledge that I could very well be wrong. How do you feel??

22 Comments

Melvear10/11/2016, 4:47:08 PM4 votes

Meteos didn't play ZacZac because it was banned against him every single game. As far as what they have to do to win games, I have to agree they have to draft for team fights, and avoid losing match ups in lane. Doesn't mean they need to actually beat the lanes, just stay even until they're scaled up. Having multiple ways to engage seems necessary. The game they played vs SKT in week 2 was actually very good, but they were never able to initiate the fight right. Vision control is part of the issue, but if SSG play the vision game as well as SKT did, they need to have a way to force team fights. JhinJhin and AsheAshe come to mind as 2 champion Sneaky is spectacular on and that fight this agenda. Braum'sBraum a good choice for both offensive and defensive missions, much like TKTahmKench . Jensen's very good on pretty much every champion I've seen him on, but SyndraSyndra and CassCassiopeia seem to be his go to and they're both very good choice all around. Impact is great on strong split push/dueling champions. We all got to love his GnarGnar in playoffs and it would be great to see him on it again. TrundleTrundle comes to mind as well as a strong top laner. Jungle right now seems more open than before, with carry picks coming in as well as tanky control champions. I still think strong peel/tanks are best, especially when you have carries like Impact and Jensen to rely on for damage. MaokaiMaokai and NautilusNautilus both have fair clear, massive gank potential and CC coming out of every abilities they have and late game tankiness.

That's my assessment but than again, adaptability is the name of the game in Bo5 and they need to be able to either play around whatever SSG throws at them or have multiple working strategy to win games. Last year was a brilliant exemple of what not to do. 1 strat that works extremely well once but gets trashed once revealed and countered well.

xJLx MCHammer10/11/2016, 6:51:26 PM3 votes

Ban Aurelion, Viktor, and get winning lanes

MunchCrunchLunch10/12/2016, 8:16:30 AM3 votes

if SSG gets viktor or ryze they win. put crown behind. hes the one that carries the team.

also jensen has been absolute shit. he was so clutch in the season. now hes absolute shit. they need to get him a good pick.

DestructoDave10/12/2016, 3:49:42 AM2 votes

They looked pretty good against SKT. I dont think SSG is on SKT's level. I think it was more TSM failing hardcore in groups that had this result. I think the series will be closer than expected. I think C9 will get leads but probably struggle to capitalize.

Yxgl222HaX10/12/2016, 4:25:51 PM2 votes

Imo smoothie is fine on alistair, keep impact on rumble and things will be K. Jensen could go back to the orianna more hes done good things with it- but what id really like to see is jensen pick up veigar. they did it in worlds last year and it went really well and his AP scaling is just disgusting now. Im always surprised i dont see more of veigar honestly, yes he has low mobility and escapes, but hes super easy mechanically and you can literally just press R to remove an enemy carry in a fight, much like syndra only without the mechanics needed. sneaky could twitch jhin or lucian well, and memeos could do the vi, zac or hell even graggy or seju even though theyre not S tier if you cc lock a veig stun with those ults you could set up some brutal team fights, use explosive keg or smash pulvarize into a veig stun and its gg. Or give a seju or alistair the ori ball and youre off to a good start. Imo doing these would give them as good a shot as any

Randomonium10/11/2016, 5:49:05 PM2 votes

Good stuff but I hope that C9 is smart enough to ban Viktor since crown is probably the best Viktor player in the world.

warpenguin55510/11/2016, 7:26:31 PM2 votes

By: Keeping Meteos off Lee Sin Jensen using his brain and not walking forward in lane to give up a free gank and 1st blood Top Die

Mazariamonti10/11/2016, 8:08:39 PM1 votes

Yeah I think picking champs that can force fights is probably the ONLY way they can win. We saw it in game 2 against SKT, even when they got the advantage early they had no way of forcing fights through SKT vision. Basically they were relying entirely on Jensen to snare, it against a good team they'll just beat the Ryze's face in if he tries engaging that way (like SKT did to Jensen).

Gnar, kennen, rumble

Reksai, zac, Elise, evelynn possibly

Jensen's orianna is fantastic and is such a great pick I have no idea why he only played it one time

Ashe got nerfed but she still fills that role of starting fights and that is what they need. Jhin, obviously if sneaky can get it. Stay off the freaking Ezreal.

Bard, Alistar, Tahm (I don't know if Smoothie plays Morgana at a high level like Lemonnation and Hai could, but if you want to survive lane and still have playmaking potential pick Morgana)

Obviously they know way better than I do, but in watching basically every Cloud 9 game for the past few years, when they are at their absolute best is when they pick champions that force fights to happen with little to no chance of screwing it up. The Ashe/Zyra bot lane in season 3. The Morgana/ Elise combo they ran for much of season 4. The Fast push with Veigar in season 5. Those are the types of team comps that you can see an opportunity and jump on it instantly with little to no chance of messing it up.

This team right now is running around trying to land lee sin q's that lead into lee sin kicks that lead into Cass aoe that have to have a kennen TP at the exact right time from the back line in order to even come out even.

I think these teams lose too much of themselves when they go to Korea for a month. Theyre not going to improve dramatically mechanics wise just by playing a month in Korea. They're not going to out Korean strat the Korean teams. They just end up wearing themselves out by flying to the other side of the planet, moving into an unfamiliar environment for a month, practicing as much as possible in that unfamiliar environment, then flying back to the other side of the planet where they can then move again into another unfamiliar environment. They should have just of stayed where they were at and scrimmed against Immortals or something.