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[Update 9/8/2014: Please see below for a link to Group Draw results the Worlds 2014 Group Draw Video] Check out the groups for the 2014 World Championship! We recently posted a blog explaining why the 2014 Group Draw would be conducted privately and confidentially. We wanted to share an update to give everyone as much transparency as possible into our process, tackle some common questions from the community, and talk about some of the changes we will be making to group draws going forward, including adding a professional third-party witness to future group draws.

2014 Group Draw

On August 7, a small group of League Operations officials executed the Worlds 2014 Group Draw at Riot HQ in Santa Monica, CA. It was completed in advance of the August 14 deadline to provide plenty of time to organize travel plans, including visas, to get all 16 teams from their home countries to their respective group stage locations. The group draw was recorded and we will release the video immediately following the Group Reveal Show, which will occur on September 8. The video is a raw feed of the entire Group Draw process. It was meant for internal use only so it won’t look like what we normally produce but we will release it to the public to further validate the results. Given that in past years we’ve done the draw privately without issue, we felt that continuing that process was the best option for 2014. Every individual who knows the Group Draw results represents a potential liability and carries an enormous amount of trust and responsibility. As such, no third-party with a potential conflict of interest could be entrusted with such sensitive information. We wanted to protect the information from getting out to avoid creating a situation in which a team had an incentive to lose a match in order to seed into a perceived “easier” group and potentially ruin the competitive integrity of the qualifying tournaments.

Deep Dive into the Group Draw Procedure

In the interest of being as transparent as we can, what follows is the official procedure that was used in the 2014 Worlds Group Draw. First, all of the draw conformed to the Group Draw Structure outlined in this article. Before actually drawing the groups, each of the groups had a “sister group” it was paired with based on which groups will meet in the bracket stage. Group A was paired with B, and C was paired with D. This ensured that teams facing each other in the quarterfinals had an equal amount of time to prepare between their group stage matches and the bracket stage. The pairs were placed in Taiwan or Singapore at league officials’ discretion after the groups were drawn, but pairs could not be split up, as that would affect the bracket stage matchups . To prepare for the draft, 16 cards with seeds (#2 SEA, #1 IWC, #3 CN, etc.) were laid out alongside 16 envelopes numbered 1 through 16. “#1 IWC” represents the Gamescom International Wildcard Tournament winner, and “#2 IWC” represents the PAX equivalent. The envelopes were stuffed with the seed cards, and throughout the process were selected by a random number generated by a Visual Basic script. It’s important to note that a pool doesn't need to deplete before moving on to the next pool - any number can be chosen at any time. Additionally, because we used a random number generator that doesn't exclude previously drawn values, it was possible to draw a value that’s already been drawn - if and when that happened, the redundant value was simply ignored and the figurative die was rolled again. As numbers were drawn and envelopes were opened according to those numbers, a few technical constraints were observed. The groups were arranged from left to right in alphabetical order (A, B, C, D). When a number was drawn, the corresponding seed was placed in the leftmost available spot. For instance, if #2 CN was drawn, but #3 CN already inhabited Group A and #1 CN already inhabited Group B, #2 CN was placed in Group C (provided Group C has “Pool 2” space still available for CN #2). Note that in this example, #2 CN could not be placed in Groups A or B because of the “no more than 1 team per region per group” constraint. Note that using this procedure, there could have been cases where a draw could not be completed given the constraints in the group draw structure article. We’ve displayed a hypothetical example of that dilemma in the image above. In this example, there’s no way to complete the draw according to the specified procedure - #3 KR and #3 CN have nowhere to go. Theoretically, there are a few such scenarios in which the group draw structure "breaks." If such a scenario were to arise, the entire draw would have been immediately restarted from scratch with the camera still running.

Final Thoughts

Looking forward to the future, we’re working closely with all of the regional leagues to align our schedules and build in more time between the regional qualifiers and Worlds. This will help minimize the constraints that were unavoidable this year, provide more practice times for teams, and allows us to providing a transparent and exciting live group draw for fans that commemorates the start of Worlds. Based on best practices from professional sporting leagues and community feedback, we plan to use an impartial witness such as a global audit firm to help us validate the results of any future draws - public or private. We look forward to sharing with you the official results packed with in-depth analysis on the upcoming Worlds matchups on the Group Reveal Show on September 8. Stay tuned for more details.

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50 Comments

K 215 votes

Thanks for transparency on the Draven process! The community seems to take Annie chance it gets to doubt you.

blackraven14253 votes

At 8:35, it becomes obvious that the background is Powerpoint, since there's a "Slideshow ended, click to exit" slide.

Cover Your Butts3 votes

Unless there is an individual third party on site to verify that this is random then everyone will assume you ridged the groups.

Aydin22517 votes

Why? Why would anyone assume that? What has Riot done to deserve so much anger from their fans? This company has gone out of their way to grow the culture of esports and propel it toward legitimacy. They deserve parades, golden finery, and your firstborn child. They absolutely don't deserve the level of paranoid bile that's been slung at them lately.

Meanie403 votes

I think OGN Spring went a long way toward the community distrust.

Riot can thank the SKT organization for a lot of it.

Meanie404 votes

Two more words: Gambit Gaming.

VenIM3 votes

2 more words.... Russian Visas

TrollFan011 votes

What happened with SKT at OGN Spring?

Meanie404 votes

During the group stage, K finished at 1-1-1 (W-L-T). S (1-0-1) had a match left against Prime Optimus (0-2-0). KT Arrows had already advanced at 2-1-0.

For K to advance from the group stages, S had to lose both games in their match to Prime Optimus, then the tiebreaker game to K. Some shady play allowed exactly that to happen.

HoezMadx242 votes

meanie40 has it exactly right. it was strange and shady as hell.

Strident2 votes

It's funny how you're citing evidence of match rigging by citing yet another 'incident' that has no proof of rigging. And then you try to cite Gambit for no reason. It's like claiming the New Testament is supported by the Old Testament and the Quran.

Meanie402 votes

If you believe no shadiness went on, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you.

Delete the Elite1 votes

Because match fixing isn't a problem...it's a conspiracy! I PROMISE!

http://kotaku.com/league-of-legends-pro-attempted-suicide-after-tournamen-1542880793

Rot1nPieces5 votes

Beside Riot liking to screw people over? Over the course of season 4, Riot has made too many mistakes to count. Riot is only interested in lining their own pockets under the veil of "growing esports" instead of "competitive integrity".

No NA team will ever make it to the finals, and it is in Riot's best interest to make sure LCS teams go as far as they can , so they get more spectators watching LCS games for more sponsorships

Neraly4 votes

Yeah, lets ignore every decision they get right. Those ones are never noticed like the few mistakes, so why should we care about them?

VenIM2 votes

Actually its not in their best interests... China and korea have over twice the fans... and twice the viewers... so its actually in Riots best interest to NOT let NA get very far.

Strident3 votes

It baffles me how people can believe this and still be playing League of Legends.

BabyClem2 votes

Nah, not everyone would assume that.

The Lexer1 votes

so what group do you have a problem with?

BlazinNewel3 votes

TL;DR Riot will rig the groups since if they do it at random there is a chance that "one region per group" might not work

JDG Justice14 votes

That's not at all what the article said...why try to create drama where there doesn't need to be any? They very specifically state that should the draw have resulted in a situation where it was impossible to observe the "one region per group" rule, the draw would have been re-started from the beginning.

It's odd how excited people get about the idea of foul play when there's absolutely no evidence to support the idea. It seems like you WANT to believe something is being done wrong, despite having no actual reason to believe it's true. I simply can't understand that desire.

trasparent3 votes

I'm glad riot is releasing this info so no one can speculate on it being rigged

MFW i read this : Jinx

Kyo XO3 votes

Anyone who ends up in Group B is damn lucky.

ChenelynIsPumpin8 votes

those aren't the actual results

VenIM1 votes

if he hadnt written an answer i would have assumed he was illiterate

Menbung2 votes

Forget your draw. Just do it this way.

Na1 Eu1 Cn1 Kor1 Sea1 Na2 Eu2 Sea2 Kor2 Cn2 Kor3 Cn3 IWC1 IWC2 Na3 Eu3

Honestly I think this is one of a few draws that could happen that would make it the best possible scenario for all regions. Group 1 being your GoD (Group of Death) and the rest making it to were almost anyone can advance from any region.

Dudermen3 votes

TSM

Meanie403 votes

TSM will be playing CLG to avoid relegation, not advancing to have a chance at Worlds.

Dudermen4 votes

um, actually TSM will play DIG as first round playoffs. If they lose that they will play the loser of the CLG vs. CRS match. If they win that (as they should against DIG) they will face LMQ for 2nd round. If they win that they go to worlds (yay). If they lose that, as they probably will, they will face the loser of the TBD vs C9 match. That TBD is determined by the CLG vs. CRS winner. This is all better explained in this link. Pls understand the subject before downvoting anything. Thanks!

Meanie402 votes

Yes, I understood perfectly. A little bit of critical thinking may help. Think about how my statement could come about.

Hint: How does a playoff team face relegation?

Dudermen2 votes

@Meanie40, well TSM could go to relegation if they lose both of their playoff matches, but as they beat DIG just last week and CLG the week before, they should be fine. I predict TSM in 3rd place, but CRS could kill me dream :(

EDIT: oh i get it you are predicting wrong

KSHarrison2 votes

Thanks for listening to community feedback to make a recording, and also for communicating your plans to adapt next year's WC to address other concerns voiced by the community. It's nice to have this kind of interaction and the transparency of these responses. Looking forward to World's!

Soley1 votes

first

Dandic4 votes

ya blew it

Meanie401 votes

Placing the seed in the next available pod (if it would violate the one per pod rule) isn't random.

Being truly random would result in that specific draw being set aside, another envelope being randomly drawn from among the remaining choices, and randomizing the remainder of the teams not drawn.

The way you did it "works," but it is certainly not fully random.

Meanie401 votes

Or the way you did it, you could simply treat that draw the same way you treat a team already picked - ignore it and take the next team.

KSHarrison1 votes

How is it not random?

Meanie402 votes

There's a slight bias in just placing it in the "next available group" rather than forcing it to be drawn properly.

Take a simple example ... NA1 is drawn first into group 1. NA2 is then immediately drawn. It cannot go into group 1, due to the one team per region rule.

Riot's method places it in group 2 immediately, rather than forcing it to be redrawn legally. Therefore, in this situation, NA2 had a >33% chance of being drawn into group 2, due to the forced placement.

Forcing the illegal draw to be ignored retains the 33% chance of being placed in any of the other groups.

IS14f24d590901efa2788811 votes

there's your draw rito

NA 1 CH 3 EU 2 IWC
EU 1 SEA 1 KR 2 NA 3
CH 1 KR 3 NA 2 SEA 2
KR 1 CH 2 IWC EU 3

VenIM2 votes

Please god i want to see C9 not play fnatic for a 12th time...

Menbung1 votes

I hope it turns out this way.

A NA1 SEA1 KOR2 IWC1

B EU1 NA2 CN2 IWC2

C CN1 EU2 KOR3 NA3

D KOR1 SEA2 CN3 EU3

With Group A being your GoD (Group of Death)

YawnedEverywhere1 votes

Not exactly sure why I didn't skip over the bit where he put the names in the envelopes now I think back..

blackraven14251 votes

What happened at around 8:36 in the video?

blackraven14251 votes

It looks like it says "End of slide show, click to exit"....

Wrath of Kon1 votes

I know it wasn't rigged but my pet peeve with the process was the way they treated pools... why weren't each pool pulled individually starting with pool 1? #1 seeds shouldn't be filling in the bracket but instead the pool 3 should. NO other system draws all the teams at the same time when there are pools for seeding.

Glørÿ1 votes

There are soooo many ways this could've been rigged ...... Which it is..... Regi paid off Nick Allen... RIP

BattlePandaz1 votes

Why not just do a live drawing along with the worlds reveal show? Why not do it FIFA style and just draw from bowls with the various pools per bowl? Would streamline the process. More then 2 same from the same region? I honestly prefer it. That means Korea has a chance to have 2 teams in the same pool which would gives others an easier shot at the Worlds Title. Sorry, but I highly dislike the Korean region. It would make me more than happy to see a non-SEA, Korean, China team lose this year.

josmelkaya1 votes

I have visited today the lol esports page to found a pice of news quite disturbing today. Because a player from a team use an inapropiated name and said some things that could be ofensive for some people, you will prevent this player for playing at the worlds 3 games. what means you punish his whole team, all the fans of this team and you hurt the competition level of this event. Just to punish a player!

I found myself as a pasionate fan of LOL competitive scene betrayed. I don't want to think this is related to TSM fighting SK in their first game in the worlds but it is hard not to. There is a lot of ways of punish a player without hurting the entire comunity while doing so, but you chose the one that benefits north america's favored team and hurt a lot of people and organizations at the same time...

You chose to act in this way in only 1 day, the infraction was made on the 15th and the decision was already publish in the web on the 17th!!! wow that is fast. I think you should think this a bit more, specially the image this will give of you to the fans... You choose a more than doubfull way of arraging the groups in the first place, TSM is the 1st seed team with the easiest group by far and you remove the mid lane of the 3rd seed of EU just before the game vs TSM. Are you really this scare of losing the NA fan support if NA teams lose in the group stage?

Please riot, if you have to take measures against bad conduct at least dont hurt the feelings of your fans while doing so... Just ban him from LCS a year after the worlds end. Or make him write a public apology in adition to the fee. I totaly understand, share and respect your policy against bad behaviour. I am a teacher at primary school right now for four years, but i can tell by experience that punishment meant for 1 person that punish other people is the wrong way of doing things.

Sorry about my english, i am not a native speaker.

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