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Most important player to each world's team?

T RexHasTinyArms·9/19/2015, 6:57:36 PM·2 votes·1,474 views

I'm curious who people think is the most important player to each team? Not necessarily the best player, but rather the linchpin of each team who makes the team function.

My thoughts:

Group A: CLG- Aphromoo, Doublelift is a huge part of CLG and Aphro is in charge of getting him through lane before the lift has items to carry. Runner up- Pobelter, Zion and Doublelift give the team the carry potential they need, but it wasn't until they had pobelter to pull some of the pressure off doublelift that he realy could be freed up to not just be focused by 5 enemies every game.

Koo Tigers- Honestly not sure on this one, maybe their coach? The players weren't top tier players before koo formed and their impressive record has largely been a team effort, but I'm not really sure who helped them come together that way.

FW and Pain- Not sure, haven't folowed either region well.

Group B- Fnatic- Yellowstar, Brought the team together, roams well, helps Rekkles get to late game given Rekkles tends to be a less agressive ADC who does well in team fights if he can get through lane phase. Runner Up- Febiven, Huni and RO have good synergy and a strong mid lane frees up he jungle to get top and bot lane going, and Huni is terrifying if he gets ahead.

Invictus- Kakao, one of the best jungles in the game right now, shores up the team and can really make a bad match up fine in lane phase. When Kakao dos well IG is scary. Runner up- Rookie, again one of the best at his role in the game and can solo carry the team when he gets ahead and they need to lean on him. Kakao and Rookie are probably equal, but Kakao can save other lanes when they need to get through lane so Rookie can carry and the synergy between KaKao and Rookie is part of what makes rookie so terrifying.

AHQ- Again don't follow the region often but from the games I've watched it seems to be westdoor. The strength of their mid lane allows he rest of the team to flourish and can be a huge help in pick ban phase.

C9- Hai, no question about this and no room for argument, he is essential to this team and without him they don't function the same. See the first half of LCS season. Runner up- Sneaky, Can carry games all by himself sometimes and is an often under rated ADC.

Group C: SKT- Faker, the man the team was built around, the guy an entire team comp was built around giving him his first loss on LeBlanc. Huge threat and key to the team. Runner up- Bengi, when he's good the team looks great, when he struggles they just look like something is missing.

Edward Gaming- Clear love, not sure this is definitely right, but one of the strongest jungles in the game, and when he out jungles the enemy it's a huge advantage to the team. Runner up- I'd say deft, clearlove gets he team through the early game, deft can carry the late game.

H2K- Kasing, the team looked so much stronger and different once they added Kasing fo some experience. Runner up- Not sure, Ryu and Hjarnan can both be essential when they need a carry to step up, but I don't know if the team revolves around either and would struggle w/out them if they had a strong enough replacement?

Titans- No idea, didn't follow wildcard tourney

Group D: LGD- PYL, the team looks so different with him in the roster. Definitely key to their synergy. Runner up- Imp, played out of his mind in the play offs, and his synergy with PYL looks really good. A strong bot lane that can consistently win lane relieves a lot of pressure on the map to get top and mid ahead.

KT rolster- Not sure here, I think most important and runner up would be some combo of ssumday and piccaboo. Ssumday is a huge threat and a carry top laner is at home in this meta and could easily be their key to winning. Also piccaboo adds a lot to the line up and is a strong support who can help free up other players to carry by adding pressure and vision control.

TSM- Bjergsen, they live or die by how he does a lot of the time and generally rely on him to carry them. Runner up- Not sure, maybe Santorin bc of synergy and influence on Bjergsen's lane early.

Origen- Niels, A big threat and huge asset to the team. Fills a role the team really needs, bringing young talent to a team with lots of veterans to help guide him and make him a strong force in EU LCS this season. Runner up- Probably Xpeke, put the team together, solid anchor to the team and veteran leader. May be first over Niels, I didn't follow EU LCS as well as I would have liked, but it seems like with his experience he does better at coming back from a bad lane than Niels does and the team had more games where they won after Xpeke struggled than they did after Niels struggled. Actually that may be a good case for Xpeke being the mos important player bc he can solidify the team and they can win even if he struggles, not sure.

Anyway that's a huge wall of text and if you read the whole thing thanks, and sorry for being tedious at points. What are the community thoughts? Where did I do well, where do you guys disagree with me, and why do you think other players are more key to their team functioning than the ones I listed?

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Ale non è male9/20/2015, 4:22:35 PM2 votes

i disagree with the premise of this post. The most important player for all these teams isn't the best player like you mentioned for like half of the teams or more, but how the weakest link or the guy with potential to compete with the best of them but that we are not sure how will show up becuase inconsistency/being unproven will perform

Group A CLG - Zion has the toughest task because he'll have to handle the top lane island while facing a huge step up in compatition in comparison with NA top lane scene and having a sub jungler called almost at last minute who isn't even a jungler main (P.S. someone that follow NACS scene, is Thinkcard THAT bad to not use him as xmithie replacement?)...he rules NA top lane, but this situation will be hard for him. Luckily Group A has abysmal top lane and jungle quality in comparison with the other groups, but still it won't be an easy task for him. Runner up: Pobelter because he'll have to carry the team even more than usual given top/jungle situation while having the same issue anyone has with the new jungler and while facing the most stacked competition at the role in the group..the only advantage in comparison with Zion is that he is most used to the level of competition because NA mid lane level is higher than top lane level (which speaks volume for how bad NA top lane scene actually is)

Koo - Hojin as their jungler in THIS group is the one that has the most possibilities to create advantage and they have the talent in the other roles to snowball upon this advantage, so even though he isn't that good, he must be the one that push harder to bring advantages for them. In the past he hasn't shown up when it mattered, now he has no excuse for not doing it.

FW - Karsa it is more of the same interpretation that can be given for Koo jungler. He has the big chance to build the advantages for his team in this group, and he must do it to allow FW to win and in the end advance to next phase, if he can't make the difference FW is likely weaker than at laest KOO and CLG. Runner up: NL he has been shaky this season and the other ADCs of the group are all very good players..he has a very good support with himself, if he is capable to keep up with his lead FW have enough firepower to compete and beat the other teams in the group

paiN - brTT He is forced to play with the weakest support of the group by far in Dioud in what is a kinda competitive bot lane environment; if he is good enough on himself to keep his lane at least even by carrying his support, his mates in the other lanes have enough talent to compete with the low talent level of the group in top/jungle/mid and eventually beat them using the other team weaknesses, if he can't do that paiN is going to finish last for sure in the group. Runner-up: Mylon is renowned to be a carry laner in Brazil, and CLG/FW top lane is questionable (Zion because of possibly poor jungler help, Steak because is weak), if he can confirm his reputation he could give great advantages to his team to win games and do the unexpected wins in the group

Group B Fnatic: Reignover holds the balance of the power for Fnatic. If Fnatic don't get outsmarted, they shouldn't have troubles to win in the same fashion they shown in EU this season, by properly executing their gameplan and playing to their power spikes. If Fnatic get outsmarted and outpressured early, this is a whole different story and they could be in serious danger against this strong competition. Reignover duty is to avoid that Kakao and Mountain with their aggressiveness can break Fnatic plans, as well as eventually being outsmarted by hai shotcalling (and he got to punish him hard for his mechanical lacks). Runner-up: Rekkles in this group he doesn't have the mechanical advnatge he has in EU, given how even C9 has an ADC that can beat him or be even with him on this. He must shown how much he is improved as far as positioning goes - a thing on which he failed hard in the past - to make Fnatic win also bot lane and being basically untouchable

iG: Kitties is the real question mark and possible weak link of the team. Zzitai/kaKao/Rooke trio should not lose the match-ups here and coul be just behind SKT only in this world tournament, so the question mark is entirely on bot lane. Kid is a chinese ADC, so he shoul be used to faced very strong mechanically ADCs, but what about his support? Yellow/Lemon are smart even though not mechanicallly perfect, and no one is used to LMS style, so he has the most difficult task here. If he avoid to be a liability for iG, they are scary for anyone not only in the group but in the entire tournament, otherwise they have a very weak spot the the other teams can exploit, and is a weak spot on a lane with important damage dealers and vs guys like Rekkles/Sneaky/An that can easily snowball upon these kind of advanatges

ahQ: Ziv. When people look at ahQ they usually look at Westdoor, but the other mid laners in the group have the talent to handle him in 1 vs 1. The guy that can be the difference maker is their top laner, as he is potentially good enough to exploit the excessive aggressiveness of Huni/Zztai , and if he can do that he could free a lot of space for his jungler to build further advanatges for him, create advantages in mid lane, or help their bot lane to stay even and end up win games; if he can't do that ahQ is probably going to succumb in this group. Runner-up: Albis. Every ADC in this group can pubstomp the others snowballing them if given an advantage, is Albis capable to eventually provide that advantage for his ADC even without his jungler help - jungler that was key at MSI - ?

C9: LemonNation. Let's be clear, C9 only chance is to snowball games upon some kind of Sneaky advantage, so obviously the key guy is Lemon. He has done some very bad mechanically mistakes throughout all this season but he is still very smart and experienced, how well he'll perform against a non irresistible bunch of supports in this group will dictate how often Sneaky will have an advantage and so how often C9 can stay in games and try to win those against teams stronger on paper. Runner-up: Hai for obvious reasons, in NA gauntlet the other team didn't exploit his mechanically weaknesses and so he could use his super shotcalling skills to lead C9 to win, in this group the other junglers are far far far far far better than NA competition and can rip apart, if he is completely overwhelmed, then it is pretty much over for C9, if he can somewhat hold up even by losing only slightly, then C9 has some hope

Group C SKT: maybe Bang? In this group and even going forward there aren't many teams that can compete with them in any role, in perspective maybe the roles where they that doesn't entirely stand up among their worldwide competition is jungler position, but they face Clearlove now and won't have problems till the final cause of that and there are few great jungler in this worlds that can compete with bengi anyway, and the ADC position. In this group the have Deft which performances are well known and Hjarnan is quckly rising toward ADC elite, and while Wolf is great, meiko is as great as well and kaSing is no slouch either, so this will be a good test for Bang. If he doesn't have trouble here, then he shouldn't be have much trouble going forward, and at that point SKT is unstoppable

EDG: Clearlove This is one of the few times where the best guy is also the most important guy. EDG has top level players in every position, but what makes unbeatable is the fact that Clearlove usually gives them huge advantages coming from the jungle . Clearlove is expected to bring them those advantages against any team in these worlds except maybe Kakao's iG (but EDG is more complete anyway), and if he keeps doing that they can be the top in the world, otherwise they have no problem advancing here but going forwardthey could face losses vs the best teams in the world. bengi is a good test here in this group for him

h2K: kaSing. Read Lemon description and swap names in C9 section with Hjarnan/kaSing. Nuff'said. Wild card: Ryu He has great motivation going vs Faker and pawn. He should lose badly here, but if this motivation can fuel him in doing miracles vs them, then h2k could make things slighlty interesting in this realtively boring group

BKT: G4 They frankly have no chance, but anyway they'll try to execute their plan, and G4 is vital for that. if he can further surprise and hold on even against the mid laners of THIS group, then they can try to win a game, otherwise it would just be a 0-6 for them. Runner-up: WarLock. Everyone focus on G4 when they are looking at BKT, but WarLock KDA has often being impressive. if there is a guy other than G4 that could surprise at this world for BKT is him

Bídoof9/19/2015, 9:35:09 PM1 votes

I agree for the most part and i like the thought behind the post. I think pawn is one of the most important for EDG with his huge champ pool and id say the SKT bot lane is as important as bengi

ROYALR3IGN9/20/2015, 1:01:51 AM1 votes

Group A : CLG, Aphromoo? Agreeded.

Koo Ti, Probably KurO?

Flash Wolves, Toss up between SwordArT and Maple. Maple's been a solid mid laner for their team where as SwordArT makes amazing plays to protect his carries. Especially when paired with their not so hot ADC NL.

Pain G, Not amazingly familiar with this team just looking at the roster I'd say Kami.

Group B: AHQ: This one is pretty hard. All have shown to be really strong but I'd throw my vote onto Westdoor. Although his champ pool isn't amazing, he's shown to be absolutely devastating to the opposing team, and key to winning for his own.

C9: Hai. His shot calling is on par with LemonNation arguably, and his rather unorthodox jungle style has made C9 a team the rest of the group should be careful with. Just look what happened to C9 when he left. Rest my case right there. GG

Fnatic: YellowStar. Cause Yellowstar. Jks, seriously though he brings so much experience and insight to the team, I really don't think Fnatic would be where it is without him.

IG: Holy crap this line up is scary, however; Kakao is the star in my eyes here.

Group C: SKT1: Faker.

EDG: Deft. They get this guy a slight lead, and he'll take it, board a plane, and wave good bye to you. And whatever chance you had at winning :)

H2K: Hadouken!

Bangkok Titans: lol bang cock. Jk G4 apparently is really good.

Group D: LGD: Imp. Same story with Deft. But scarier IMO.

KT: Probably gonna go ahead and agree with OP with this one.

TSM: Bjerg.

Origen: Probably xPeke but I wouldn't count SoaZ out of this either.

Ale non è male9/21/2015, 6:39:06 PM1 votes

Now that I'm looking back at my picks for most important players below, and, following the premise of that post and group dynamics after the draw, I'm noticing how it is very strange how some roles seem more evenly matched while other does not at these Worlds and how different are the strength of the various teams in a same region, so I tried to do some counts and the results are interesting to analyze - please note that the premise was the following (barring the exceptions mentioned in the expanded section) -

The most important player for all these teams isn't the best player like you mentioned for like half of the teams or more, but how the weakest link or the guy with potential to compete with the best of them but that we are not sure how will show up becuase inconsistency/being unproven will perform

Overall key player stats count 4 Top - 2 Runner-ups 5 Junglers - 3 Runner-ups 2 Mid - 2 Runner-ups - 1 Wildcard 2 ADC - 2 Runner-ups 3 Supports - 2 Runner-ups

Group A key player stats count 1 Top - 1 Runner-up 2 Junglers 0 Mid - 1 Runner-up 1 ADC - 1 Runner-up 0 Supports

Group B key player stats count 1 Top 1 Jungler - 1 Runner-up 0 Mid 0 ADC - 1 Runner-up 2 Supports - 1 Runner-up

Group C key player stats count 0 Top - 1 Runner-up 1 Jungler 1 Mid - 1 Wildcard 1 ADC 1 Support

Group D key player stats count 2 Top 1 Jungler - 2 Runner-ups 1 Mid - 1 Runner-up 0 ADC O Supports - 1 Runner-up

Key player stats count for region EU 1 Top 1 Jungler - 1 Runner-up 0 Mid - 1 Wildcard 0 ADC - 1 Runner-up 1 Support

NA 2 Top 0 Jungler - 1 Runner-up 0 Mid - 1 Runner-up 0 ADC 1 Support - 1 Runner-up

KR 0 Top 1 Jungler - 1 Runner-up 1 Mid 1 ADC 0 Supports ** CH** 0 Top 2 Junglers 0 Mid - 1 Runner-up 0 ADC 1 Support ** Others (LMS + IWC)** 1 Top - 2 Runner-up 1 Jungler 1 Mid 1 ADC - 1 Runner-up 0 Supports - 1 Runner-up

Some things to note through fast analysis

  • The most crucial role overall seems to be the Jungler one, followed by Top lane, the least crucial role seems to be ADC
  • Even by this analysis, seems clear how Group C is the one where the strength level in the group differs the most as there is a nomination for every role and every team seem to rely on something different (remeber, if a role isn't important is probably evenly matched in the economy of the entire group or is completely irrelevant for the success of a single team as it can be counted as clear loss/win from the start with no chance to be matched) and is the group with the least amount of player nomined
  • The more interesting match-ups in a role among the various groups are the mid match-ups in group B with Febiven/Westdoor/Rookie/incarnati0n and the ADC match-ups in group D with imp/Arrow/Wildturtle/Niels (Group A support is not as detailed in the paiN full description)
  • Group B is the only group where the most important role is not Jungler or Top, but is the Support role, and incidentally is the group where ADC are pretty much matched-up and there is Yellowstar as the only non nominated support as big competitor in the role(technically also in Group C Jungler or Top are not important, but only because there is the Ryu nomination with its special status)
  • Even by this analysis, it looks like Group D is the more wide open to grab for everyone, as it is the only group on which every team has a runner-up nominated and thus has the highest amount of player nominated (sign that there are more variables in game for the final results)
  • Even though Group A is the only one to have 2 teams that do not come from the major regions with 3 teams (EU,NA,KR,CH), this fact seem to not change particularly the dynamics of this group in comparison with the others, except for the relatively bigger importance of ADC role in comparison with the rest of the tournament
  • EU seems the region where the playstyles and teams strength and weaknesses seems to change the most as it is the most balanced within his own nominations
  • CH seems to be the region which have the most solid bases on their own game styles as they are the region with the least amount of nominations and the region where the nomination are more skewed towards few roles
  • NA seems the region with the clearer strengths and weaknesses, and the one where the performance of a pair of swing roles will be more crucial for the performance of their teams
PoisonedTea9/25/2015, 8:43:28 PM1 votes

Interesting Question.

Lets start with NA teams.

CLG: Zion sorry but the top lane meta is to strong right now to ignore he fits right in. If Zion can control the top lane CLG has a chance to do well. Others. Pobelter and Aphromoo. I don't know what he done but the team has looked more together once Pobelter joined clearly his influence is seen. Aphromoo because he can guild doublelift the right way you can control doublelift but kinda guild him.

TSM. Dyrus he need to play well or TSM are goners if he just loses the other tops will take control of TSM and werk havoc. Despite what people say dyrus can compete with the top if he is in top form. Other. Bjergsen what else to say he is the superstar of the team.

C9. Sneaky he cares about no tank meta he will still carry. Sneaky is without a doubt one of the best if not the best most efficient ADC players. Or if you wanna look at it a different way he is a better version of Rekkles no sugar coating just better. Sneaky has such a wide champion pool idk if there is an ADC he cant play and is effective on all of them. As he is efficient player it rare if ever that you will find him not impact in the game as he is so good at finding that gold and controlling lanes, but you dont find him crazy going off and solo carrying games. other: Hai what can you say the best shot caller NA ever seen. If he can sure up his jungle he can be a real threat once again.

EU team.

Fnatic. Huni and Reignover These two are a pair because that how the dominated so well in EU. Other: Yellowstar is real real good. But I am little scared for him He has not face supports that can compete with him in EU(they are just not as good). He will have to live with the reality that he will not be so dominate at world. But he been in the game so long I sure he will be fine. Ether way being in top form is needed.

H2K. KaSing I guess. H2K is really a team that wins or loses together. They are not so divided in one lane strength. Good map control with Loulex and KaSing gives them he wins.

Origen. You have to go with SoaZ such a great player. And will give an top laner a hard time in a 1v1 lane. A scary man with scary picks. Other. Amazing great jungler his impact on the map will allow freedom in the other lane to take control. Origen is just and individual dominated they wins games that way. Basic strategy with the power to take control. Not an easy team to take head on.

Sorry but I don`t know the other regions well enough. It be just stuff I hear.