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EU is a pain to watch

Stars Shaper··5 votes·1,566 views

With the exception of UoL, EU teams are just going in rather blindly, do not contest objectives like Dragons and just try to go for Herald/Baron hoping to just swipe them away unscated.

I don't know how the full format of the event is but if at Day 2 we are like that we might aswell declare NA winners from now.

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Shadòw5 votes

nah FNC will win

Edit: And they won

Stars Shaper1 votes

Yes but they did it because they miracled a lategame teamfight out. You can't go random the wntire match and then try to win like this.

Shadòw1 votes

why not

Stars Shaper1 votes

It isn't a consistent strategy, they didn't build for lategame they just went in as they felt.

BIH Diamond2 votes

P1 is NA's 8th place team lol. FNC looks like garbage.

Shadòw5 votes

EU > NA

BIH Diamond1 votes

NA 7-1 EU

and Now

NA 7-4 EU

LUL GARBAGE REGION

Shadòw4 votes

still can't even reach semifinals at Worlds ¯_(ツ)_/¯

BIH Diamond5 votes

That's because NA doesn't play against wildcards to get there haha

Shadòw4 votes

well the same wildcard did beat CLG 2 times and kicked them out of groups lel

BIH Diamond4 votes

They also beat the best EU team and took a game off ROX. They cheesed in groups. They ran out of cheese after. H2K didn't face any NA or KR teams until semis lol.

Shadòw4 votes

G2 was definitely not the best EU team at Worlds 16, by far

BIH Diamond3 votes

Yes they were. They went back to EU and destroyed every one lol. They were your 1st seed for a reason.

Shadòw4 votes

and they still had 0 international experience so basically h2k was the only team i had expectations in, and hey, they came further than any of NAs teams lul.

and what was with the Worlds before? xD 2 EU teams in semis, and NA stuck in groups lul.

BIH Diamond2 votes

and they still had 0 international experience

False. G2 played MSI before worlds haha

NA 7-1 EU

NA 7-4 EU

Shadòw2 votes

wtf are those scores supposed to be?

hahaha.. you mean those MSI where they did a vacation instead of practicing? it was still their first worlds.

BIH Diamond1 votes

hahaha.. you mean those MSI where they did a vacation instead of practicing?

MSI was only 2 games. There was also CLG 2-0 G2 at worlds and TSM 2-0 Splyce

it was still their first worlds.

So? They're still the best EU team

Shadòw1 votes

well when you want to put it like that, then our second best team came far further than your first.

considering how shit EU was in that year with it being G2s and Splyces first Worlds while FNC was shit in that year and UoL unluckily not qualifying while H2K was the only team i had expectations in, that was pretty respectable.

BigBellBrute1 votes

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wtf are those scores supposed to be?

hahaha.. you mean those MSI where they did a vacation instead of practicing? it was still their first worlds.

Cue Eurotrash excuses.

Shadòw1 votes

they confirmed it themselfes xD

but that was last MSI, this one they mad it in the finals.

where was TSM again?

Walmart Porn1 votes

Don't argue with an idiot they clearly dont know what seeding means. Let the special snowflake have their moment. After all their number 1 seed got kicked out by c9 and a brazillian wildcard before so they must used to losing their number 1 seed to wildcards by now

BigBellBrute1 votes

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G2 was definitely not the best EU team at Worlds 16, by far

Is that why they dumpstered the entire region the summer before and the spring after?

Shadòw1 votes

still they had little to none international experience, and that is what counts.

also, EU was weak in general in that year. FNC needed to build themselfes anew, Origens bot lane was bought by G2.

H2K was the only real EU team at worlds, and they made it further than your best, second and third team.

BigBellBrute2 votes

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well the same wildcard did beat CLG 2 times and kicked them out of groups lel

You mean that same CLG team that Dumpstered G2 2-0?

DarkRitual1 votes

They got the freebie group with no Korea or Chinese teams. Like, that group was worlds semifinals on a silver platter with all you can eat rolls.

C9 Scott Free 1 votes

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They got the freebie group with no Korea or Chinese teams. Like, that group was worlds semifinals on a silver platter with all you can eat rolls.

Actually it was a freebie group with no NA or Korean teams.

They were in a group with INTZ RNG and Flash Wolves/AHQ

DarkRitual1 votes

Oh yeah, my mistake. They still got the lucky group. They literally stood zero chance in any of the other three.

Late For Tea1 votes

C9 got a free pass into the knockout stage. SKT was obviously going to take the first seed, but the 2nd seed was still up for grabs. Flash Wolves were the favorites, but they couldn't close out any of there games. They practically handed over the games for free. And with iMay being a joke, C9 didn't even have to play well to make it out of groups. EDG and AHQ were arguably the harder competition, although NA fans will never admit so.

BigBellBrute2 votes

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still can't even reach semifinals at Worlds ¯_(ツ)_/¯

And you couldn't beat NA at worlds going 0-4.

Yfrappefort4 votes

Their bans....man. Oh? Bjergsen is crushing anyone on Syndra? Let's give him Syndra every game! /facepalm

Stillname2 votes

The way the tournament is set up is a little silly. It doesn't matter what happens in groups as long as whatever team wins the bo5 that region will be declared the winner.

Groups could have literally been a complete shutout and one team from EU would still play in the deciding game vs one team from NA

It is cool to see a weekend of the best teams from both regions going head to head because we almost never get that despite how much people talk about the rivalry but it could have been set up in a way that the group stage matters.

Stars Shaper1 votes

If that's relaly the case then it might be that EU teams are in full "exploration" mode?

I don't know what to think about what I saw until now if not with a major disappointment (and not for the results, but for the level of play shown).

Stillname1 votes

That would be the best way to use it but since you are playing vs your opponents who are technically "against" each other for the spot in the finals one side could just put whoever they want to there by just losing to the worst team. Not that any of these guys would do that I think they all want to win as many games as possible.

BIH Diamond2 votes

If that's relaly the case then it might be that EU teams are in full "exploration" mode?

Uh no. Look up how the tournament works lol. EU is just bad.

Late For Tea1 votes

I agree, I prefered the previous format they had with the 'king-of-the-hill' format, which they originally planned to use. It is exciting to watch, and a region can still dominate. With the current format one region might win all games, going 18-0, and there will still be a final between the 2 regions. All that will do is add a finals series that will conclude in a 3-0, which no one is waiting for.

Late For Tea2 votes

EU is unfortunately just getting dumpstered by NA right now. Yes we picked up some wins, but definitely did not look good in any of them. NA teams seem to be playing on the same level as they do in the NALCS, and even P1 is stepping up big-time now that they have Xpecial and Mike Yeung. Meanwhile EU seems to be playing a few levels below their EULCS form.

Although Exileh gets destroyed in lane, he can actually support his team really well in mid-to-late game. G2 on the other hand is playing 4v6 throughout the game. Perkz's positioning is so bad he might as well walk straight into the opponent's base. (It also doesn't help that Trick seems to miss every single point-blank cocoon)

A pain to watch indeed.

Wullf1 votes

I completely agree.

Even though Fnatic won, it was really hard to watch. Getting caught all the time and winning the game just because of one bad initiation from P1.

It brakes my heart so write this this but so far NA definitely > EU

Nipsahoy1 votes

Personally I feel like Fnatic is just looking predictable now and if you can exploit their midlane they don't really seem to know how to play. Team looks and feels totally overrated to me.

UoL has looked the best to me despite going 0-2 in day 1. Their play when it's on is pretty good and looks decisive.

Nipsahoy1 votes

I'd like to see a NA team ban out the UoL comfort picks. Take away Twitch.Kassasdin, Gnar or what not and make UoL play something that doesn't just scale up. I honestly think they'd lose because they can't play early game well.

Late For Tea1 votes

Kassadin I agree with, because its the only champion Exileh has found success on, and he might go back to feeding if you ban it out. Other than that, I don't think you can ban out UoL. They have so many weird off-meta picks, that they're happy to surprise you with.

GreatWhiteNorth1 votes

Lol while EU and NA type the Koreans are practicing....

Ailiekpai1 votes

As far as the quality of matches, I wasn't expecting much. That said, EU looked absolutely terrible throughout the group stage, which leads me to believe they just went in blind and are playing for the LULs, not wanting to give away anything in a tournament that ultimately doesn't mean a whole lot. That Xpecial interview was really interesting and sort of confirms why we're seeing what we're seeing. On the flip side, you'd have to wonder just how much losing these kinds of games, as meaningless as they are, affects certain individuals (and maybe even their teams). The former reason might apply more for Fnatic, while the latter to G2, who looked a little frustrated. Still, would not surprise me one bit if UOL smashes TSM in the BO5.

Stars Shaper1 votes

You mean about: "I pick Blitzcrank because it feels good"? Yeah that gave away a lot of the approach of EU teams I guess.

Whatever the end, I just hope to see some quality games next. And as an EU supporter I hope to win them even if we'll get all the recoil of: "lol NA went X-Y in group stage, EU sucks".

Ailiekpai1 votes

I meant his comments about teams preparing for them more seriously now that they've done well in RR. He said it sucks, because the LCS matters and RR does not. That would explain why teams in general don't look prepared or willing to try some fancy new strategy. Sure, they all want to win, but they didn't put in the work, since it really doesn't matter past a slightly bruised ego if they lose.

Stars Shaper1 votes

Indeed... It sucks especially because we as the fanbase put a lot of feelings into it and looking at them just, maybe, trying to win is painful.

Ailiekpai1 votes

Oh I totally agree, but I can't really blame the teams/players for not treating this any more seriously than they would an All-stars event. Maybe RIOT will take note and improve the timing and prizes as further motivation.

Stars Shaper1 votes

And I agree again. Teams should have the chance to put some efforts in it instead of not consuming themselves because worlds is near.

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