Incarnation needs to go
I'm not calling him bad. I just have never seen him win a lane, or go even. He always barely there, or behind. I don't think he is a good fit for c9.
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Incarnation, honestly, isn't the biggest part of the problem. The problem is that Meteos isn't even half the shotcaller that Hai was/is. A better midlaner would help, but a shotcaller with even a pale glimmer of Hai's skill would do a hell of a lot more for C9 than replacing Incarnation would.
They are all playing like crap.
I almost wonder if they should bring Link in. They played fine at All Stars with him as a sub, he often had better stats than Hai, and has shot calling skill. He's probably not the guy to win NA with, but he would be enough to get them out of the relegation range.
I agree with Meteos being not as good of a shot caller as Hai is, and also for Incarnati0n as well. As the page on him says, "On February 4th 2013, he was permanently banned from playing League of Legends due to his "long history of DDOS activity, abusive behaviour and poor sportsmanship across multiple accounts." Unsure if he is still like this at all or not, but I hope not. Where a lot of people would blame Hai for their losses, he really was quite useful.
Guys I'm not saying that incarnation is the problem. I'm saying he is not the fix. C9 did well with a good shot caller; they didn't replace a shot caller in the mid lane; the gave it to meteos who wasn't ready.
Incarnation hasn't done anything this split even in their wins. He isn't dominant, nor is he a shot caller. So what does he do? See if you lack shot calling you should be good in team fights or in lane; he doesn't do either well. Sneaky, balls and meteos have proven that they are good mechanically with the right shot caller
Get rid of incarnation please
Nah, you guys are all wrong about Incarnation holding the team down. C9 just needs to import some Koreans into their roster.
I think its more like since other teams know he is knew and "the weak link" they focus more on shutting down bot lane. It shows in many of the games where sneaky and lemon are focused. As for the shot calling....I think jg is maybe the most demanding position so that demand plus the new demand of shot calling may be to much for meteos so maybe someone else should be calling shots but thats an adjustment they have to decide to make. Either way its a tough time to me be C9 fine.
Hai pretty much never won lane either.
A lot of teams give tons of jungle attention to mid. C9 does not. It hurts incarnation because even if he isn't dying to gank, he's blowing summoners and he can't really afford to play aggressive to gain an advantage ever.
That's why his best performances are on safe scaling champions like AP kog maw, because he can just clear waves and become a threat after 2 items and level 11.
Honestly he'd probably be best if he just played Lulu and Orianna and played a second support to Sneaky, who's an ADC god and could probably get C9 to the top 4 alone with a little attention.
Charlie has to go. Then I'll talk
guys, the only person who hasn't prove anything is incarnation. lemon, sneaky, meteos, and balls all have proven that with right shot calling, they can win. They are PROVEN mechanical skilled players.
Incarnation isn't proven. He was brought in with the idea that meteos would take shot calling; he can't. Get rid of incarnation and get a player who is mechanically good and can shot call as well.
When Link left CLG, he said something along the lines of C9 players being better than CLG players. Just in terms of independence and general map awareness, and if CLG and C9 fought without Hai, C9 would still win. I guess not, huh!?
When Hai was captain, it rarely seemed like C9 won because of their laners. It felt like they won DESPITE their laning. Hai was very very good at choosing fights. He danced around dragon, back and forth with the enemy, just an invisible push and pull, until he felt like everyone was in a suitable position. Then C9 destroyed them. Then they took an objective. No hesitation.
Now, when we see C9 games, you can feel the doubt in Meteos. In fights, he jumps in haphazardly at the earliest chance. And he just performs poorly in general. There's no finesse, there's just forced fights.
Meteos' shotcalling isn't just poor on a macro level (we got a kill? let's steal their blue), it's also poor in the micro level (I don't like our position in this fight). I bet on voice, Hai was like: No, no, not yet... Now. Baron Baron Baron. And Meteos seems like: Uh... I can jump on Sivir... NOW! Let's take their blue. No, wait, Baron.
I like Incarnation, but I agree: C9 isn't the fit. C9 needs to teamfight better, it's the only way they've ever performed well.
He does not meet the requirements of #LC$bigplayz
He's barely the problem though... Sneak got caught out, Meteos went in for kills when he shouldn't have, Balls and LemonNation's presence was barely felt. They are not playing well as a team.
They are not in relegation range guys. You have to be bottom and not with TDK playing like that.
Tbh hes pretty good in solo queue, its just that in the LCS you need to be able to play as a team. He just needs to fit better into the team and then I think he'll start to do better.