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I'm a little curious about the rapid decay of LCS player 'status'

Fflarn··26 votes·2,822 views

So I noticed this some last year, but it seems even more prevalent this year, the relative disregard for previous top tier players given by the casters. I expect it from the internet fan base because people on the internet tend to behave a certain way, but the casual dismissal and near-disrespect of the players who have heavily contributed to making the LCS the success it is today is puzzling.

Some examples:

AlexIch was almost never referred to by name, just as 'the mid lane sub'

Balls, Hai, and Lemonation, once the backbone of a team that dethroned TSM and had record setting seasons, are immediately considered to be a bottom tier team.

Wild Turtle, once the Pentakill-scoring darling of the TSM bot lane, is now talked about as if he had never been considered a top tier ADC.

I realize this game is a young person's sport with incredibly short careers, but whereas other sports seem to enshrine the best players of years gone by (I mean my friends still argue about whether Barry Sanders, Emmitt Smith, or Thurman Thomas was the best running back, and it's been around 20 years since they retired), League seems to try to forget them and act embarrassed if they're still around.

28 Comments

MrHaZeYo9 votes

I do agree but during the Fly/TL game they did give Hai, Lemon alot of props throughout the series.

Spaceman5pff3 votes

Yeah I think this OP just read a few articles and listened to pregame then called it quits.

Miror B8 votes

The problem is that all of the players you mentioned had careers that lasted well into their 30s (while if I'm gonna be honest, the "average" LoL career lasts about 2-3 years barring extreme outliers like faker), which makes the whole idea of an "lcs career" rather awkward. Since skill drastically fades over time (mostly because rito completely murders the game every year with "fun new patches"), the smart decision is often to try and build income/a fanbase in the lcs for a little bit before either using that $ on post-secondary or becoming a quality streamer.

xelaker1 votes

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The problem is that all of the players you mentioned had careers that lasted well into their 30s (while if I'm gonna be honest, the "average" LoL career lasts about 2-3 years barring extreme outliers like faker), which makes the whole idea of an "lcs career" rather awkward. Since skill drastically fades over time (mostly because rito completely murders the game every year with "fun new patches"), the smart decision is often to try and build income/a fanbase in the lcs for a little bit before either using that $ on post-secondary or becoming a quality streamer.

"fun new patches" rofl. yea the game changes way more then "traditional" sports like baseball or football. if riot ran sports they'd have guns by now, thanks to power creep, and the quarters would be 49 seconds long. And the casters would call the players by their number, "boy, #43 sure did throw the ball there." "sure did tom, sure did"

Adriqnohee4 votes

The casters for this game just suck in general, they over-hype average plays, and miss the most subtle ones, I assume is just because they suck at the game.

SmileInABox1 votes

Nah. There's only so much you can say at one time. You can't actually say they miss the subtle plays with how much they talk about vision.

Sraeg20132 votes

"Pantheon is basically autoattack-based."

xJLx MCHammer3 votes

I have to agree

The casters in general try to create this gap when comparing things. It might not be intentional but it becomes so contradictory and annoying at times. Especially in today's game where they try to make this huge gap between Doublelift and WildTurtle. Did they forget WT took them to every worlds but one?

Magearna1 votes

This bothered me as well. Not to mention the fact that during IMT's first split, WildTurtle was regarded to be an even BETTER player than he was during his run with TSM. So which is it casters? Is WT good or is he washed up and needs to learn the game?

SuddenAntagonist3 votes

Oh god. I know exactly what you mean. I've been watching most of the games, and it's just a circle jerk of, "Who can we BM the most this game?" Envy vs FlyQuest (as you mentioned) was a super good example of this. "It sure sucks to play with a sub." "That might not have happened, but they have a sub." "They're getting dumpstered and it's because of the sub." "Envy is garbage because sub." I exaggerate a little bit, obviously, but it was mentioned a few times. Like, ever think maybe they just got outplayed? That's what was happening in the games I watched. FlyQuest played better. It had nothing to do with a "sub". I kind of hope they have to apologize for that, but they won't.

There have been quite a few examples of this though during this split. "Caught out, what the hell was he thinking with that bonehead move." "That miss was phenomenal. I think he needs to check his glasses." I just have to ask. Are you serious? There has to be better ways to go about commentating than to shit all over someone because they did something wrong. I'm not a caster though, so maybe I'm wrong, but it still isn't cool.

Magearna1 votes

Yeah I actually noticed they kept repeating this too and throughout the whole game, I was trying to figure out "well who is the sub?"

Darf Rakki2 votes

Balls, Hai, and Lemonation, once the backbone of a team that dethroned TSM and had record setting seasons, are immediately considered to be a bottom tier team.

This really stands out to me as not making sense. Balls was considered one of the best top laners when he was in the LCS before, and with Hai and Lemon's strategic abilities, they should come out strong. Not to mention these 3 have played together for a long time, so their synergy will reflect that. Not a team of strangers here.

SEKAI1 votes

Maybe it's just because the casters are too lazy to remember names properly, so they just go "oh yeah that guy, you know the mid-lane-sub guy we call him. You know who I mean don't you? Yeah that guy".

grug1 votes

i dont see whats the problem

you have to hold players accountable for their performance otherwise NA will never be taken seriously and the rest of the world will be like 'wtf are these trash players being encouraged to continue sucking'

Wolfeur1 votes

Didn't feel that with the EU casters

13900 Essence6 votes

That's because all EU players are washed up

Kappa (please don't murder me)

Wolfeur1 votes

Maybe that's why they get rid of NA so easily: they get cleaned.

MrHaZeYo1 votes

H2K is coached by a NA coach, and does good. Weird.

Also did a EU team beat a NA team last year? Granted H2K did go further then C9 at worlds, they had the easiest path to get there.

Wolfeur1 votes

Just don't forget they earned the easier path by being first in their group.

13900 Essence2 votes

tbh not a big fan of the NA/EU rivalry, I have favorite teams from each major region.

CLG from NA UoL from EU Anything but SKT from KR (because I don't want more SKT skins)

Most of the year they don't even play each other, hard to get a good understanding of the match-ups.

The Loveless1 votes

Game has been boring to watch for a few seasons. I last watched when Dyrus was still pro - maybe even when Turtle was initially on TSM.

Out of the new pros over the years, the only one I care about (and watch on YouTube/twitch) is Sven. He's funny. But really there's nothing amazing to watch, as I'm sure the players are told by coaches to play certain ways. Seriously, getting first blood after 20-30 minutes was silly.

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

On a side note not to talk about something else but I think it also goes hand in hand with what you're talking about as far as mentioning the players as far as their history, accomplishments etc is also their all time stats and leaders in certain areas such as Kills, cs etc.
Now I know it could be annoying to keep mentioning that stuff like a Kill leader if 5-6 players are so close to each other in total kills and seeing a screen constantly popping on the screen but not having that type of information hurts the LCS in the long run of things. Nothing says the casters need to mention it every game or week but not showing that information again hurts them because like how you talked about " (I mean my friends still argue about whether Barry Sanders, Emmitt Smith, or Thurman Thomas was the best running back" alot of that also dives into stats, how many times they carried the ball, their total yards, yards per attempt etc and no mention of that sort of thing.

Truly Prideful1 votes

Yeah I'm not entirely sure why Flyquest was considered to be so bad. Hai's shotcalling and Lemon's drafting alone give the team a good chance to me. At least they're taking the disrespect and showing they can still do it fine.

3TWarrior1 votes

LCS has caused league so many problems...not only is it a money-grab but in an effort to make the game more balanced for the competitive scene, they destroy champion gameplay for no less than challenger players

JKMercury1 votes

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your post, but isn't it just stating their abilities as of this very season? It seems strange to keep praising people for their past glory since it really has nothing to do with how well or badly they are playing their games in the current season.

Fflarn1 votes

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Maybe I'm misunderstanding your post, but isn't it just stating their abilities as of this very season? It seems strange to keep praising people for their past glory since it really has nothing to do with how well or badly they are playing their games in the current season.

I think it's a little more nuanced than that, to say that one has to solely praise or solely talk down a player would be a false dichotomy. It's one thing to comment on game performance, it's another to treat players who did a lot for the LCS like they are some no-name walk-in sub instead of a member of the team that basically invented jungle invades on the pro scene, or because the casters are all over doublelift's dick this split as the best ADC ever in NA (and this has not always been their opinion in years past) talking about WT as if he had never carried TSM to worlds.

In more established sports it isn't uncommon for commentators to remark on the fading play of a future hall of famer... but they tend to do so with a measure of respect with a nod to their heyday.

Maybe it's because there is no LCS hall of fame, maybe it's because of the (usually) short careers, maybe it's because the young age of the players doesn't require gravitas. Or maybe the LCS casters should take a page from other sport's casters when it comes to commenting on players.

Matake1 votes

Humans. Pfft.

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