this time even i made a few jokes about na, which i usually never do and all the eu teams trashtalked na which they also never do. i believe that karma is a bitch.
not to mention i dont trust in g2 or fnc. uol might be our best bet.
tsm... well its the eu fnc. dont trust in them either. p1 i barely watched them so are they good? i think cloud 9 might take it.
thoughts?
Wet Dryman5 votesIt doesn't matter, both regions are trash.
Squidwards House2 votestotally agree. still my friend and i always fun bet and this time im low on informations.
Virgin Ray1 votesbut at least NA can be recycled from the looks of day 1
Wet Dryman1 votesBeing somewhat better than other trash region doesn't magically make them good. Nothing to be proud of. The only team that played better than shit was TSM but even then they were struggling (though they stomped second game).
Virgin Ray1 votesI never said NA was already better, I said by the looks of day 1, if you watched lcs for a while now you would realize all the regions are the same, yes NA and EU are trash, but so as the other teams. The only team that has a somewhat better chance are the asian teams, and then korean teams are the only non trash teams. Its stupid how everyone thinks the other regions arent catching up to lck teams because they are lazy and shit. Having an actual life is worth more than training 24 7 under pressure for LoL. It both exhausting and not worth it for other regions. Notice how other regions like NA have more time to stream and hang out with their gf, do stupid vlogs about their team, like challenges and dance offs. Lck sells their soul to the game, faker doesnt have a gf, nor doesnt have the time to because of his ridiculous schedule. The only way for other teams to "catch up" is to sell their soul to the game, no one but lck and some asian teams are willing to do that. If it was a rule that every region only has like 10 hours to practice a week, the other teams should stand a chance.
Wet Dryman1 votesI'm not a fan of LCK in general I watch it from time to time when I'm bored and got nothing else to do, never was fan of Koreans, their lifestyle but it's hard to not notice that West is indeed lazy. Koreans spend stupid amount of time for practice but also they are super comitted to spend that time the most effectively possible. I'm OK with West being worse than Korea, it wouldn't be a surprise loosing against no lifes but they literally don't care. Many of those players have 18+ age where you either study or you go to work for a living and Pro play is basically job you do for a living. Korean imports in NA often say that in interviews: coaching staff and players themselves have no discipline, are relaxed and often literally don't care. They may practice 8 hours a day but it isn't effective if you are not really comitted to improve and learn anything and your thoughts are somewhere else.
All West needs to do is being more productive, spend time they practice as efficient as possible, be comitted to the work you do. They don't need to sacrifice their private life, do breaks only for eat or sleep, they don't need to beat Koreans that will be always be better due to cultural differences and that they have no life but they should play like professionals and not like clowns (C9 vs G2).
Western Starcraft 2 players could beat Koreans when they were comitted even though they were playing less than them. MaNa - european player was a World Champion in 2012 at EWCS, ShowTimE also european was the only player that did beat a Korean that was later a world champion at the same tournament. Koreans were also beaten many times during tournaments even when the champion was a Korean unlike LoL where they always lose to Koreans (I'm saying about total victories, not beating someone once in bo3 and then loosing the other 2).
DeadTrannies2 votesI'd be surprised if EU took a game off NA
Squidwards House1 votesserious answers pls. no insult but i cant remember the last time na made it out of groups and actually also cant remember the last time they didnt struggle against actual wildcard teams.
Fowus1 votesand? they have been shitting on eu teams ever since last worlds na is slowly becoming better
Ale non è male1 votesand? they have been shitting on eu teams ever since last worlds na is slowly becoming better
Since last Worlds G2 eliminated TSM from MSI, you know
Fowus1 votesyeah but the record was still 1-1
PlasterClaws1 votesUpdate: Step 1 look at standings Step 2 Weep #NAWin
Fowus1 votesI'm for NA not eu....
BigBellBrute2 votes[{quoted}](name=Ale non è male,realm=EUW,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=shN0OI9E,comment-id=0006000000000000,timestamp=2017-07-05T12:17:17.605+0000)
Since last Worlds G2 eliminated TSM from MSI, you know
G2 did not eliminate TSM. G2 got ushered out of the groups as a result of a completely unfair tie breaker. TSM got eliminated by another team they had to play a tie breaker against, again completely unfairly. Get your facts straight.
BigBellBrute1 votes[{quoted}](name=Squidwards House,realm=EUW,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=shN0OI9E,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2017-07-03T00:56:07.736+0000)
serious answers pls. no insult but i cant remember the last time na made it out of groups and actually also cant remember the last time they didnt struggle against actual wildcard teams.
Last worlds we went 9-9 in groups for the 2nd best record behind the Koreans and you went 6-12 for the worst. Oh and our record vs you was 4-0. And the only reason one of your sorry teams made it out is because they were lucky enough not to face any teams from NA or Korea in groups and drew the wild card in the quarters. As soon as they did face a Korean team, they got dumpstered.
As for CLG losing to a wild card team twice well they also beat G2 twice.
Admiral Howe2 votesI feel like Fnatic or UoL will be the two teams kind seeing who will win Rift Rivals. TSM looks great but they arent as on the ball as Fnatic or UoL. Itll be nice to see Bjergsen vs guys like Exileh, Perkz and Caps but this is just a battle between Fnatic and UoL to see who will beat TSM.
Miror B3 votesFor me, the funny part about the mid-laners going there is the way they're all somehow attached to EU. 5 of them were born there, and the 6th went to worlds with one of the teams. While I don't think Bjerg will stand a chance against them (as I'm thinking we could see trick/xerxe camp mid while broxah turns rekkles into an unkillable monster), it'll definitely be something interesting to watch especially with Exileh being a highly sought after free agent at the end of the split.
PlasterClaws1 votesFor me the funny part is Phoenix 1 the liability of NA took down UoL
Miror B1 votesYeah, I didn't get to see it live as I was busy doing other stuff (recently nabbed like $3000 worth of ikea crap that I've been slowly turning into a basement setup), but it honestly didn't surprise me. Much like NV of last split, P1 is capable of running multiple different styles and has a hot (hot as in he's good at the right time) jungler. While they may seem bad regionally due to score, this exact lineup could make things very interesting as there's not a lot of tape on them and they clearly have a bunch of stuff prepared.
Oh, and Exileh's "botches" are annoying me just a bit, as if this continues he might not make the NA-leap I was hoping for. Guy has to really step up/show why he was named MVP of IEM Oakland, or else otherwise he'll probably end up playing for MM next split.
III BAKURYU III 1 votesTSM - I mean it's TSM, not to mention each time TSM faces UOL they tend to get destroyed. Barely beat G2 at MSI but lost to them later on, could have easily been 2-0 for G2 against TSM. Placing Team Solomid at 3-3 will probably be the more realistic outcome.
P1 - The thing about the NA teams that people have 0 faith in tend to actually do better than either expected or better than the higher teams in that specific region. We've seen in from NA now for like 2-3 years where the #2 seed does better than the #1 and same thing #3 > #1. They might not win RR but I doubt they will go 0-6 in the group stage. P1 still has Ryu/Arrow + Mike and Xpecial that have been better than the parts that they replaced. Placing Phoenix One at 2-4 will most likely be the safest bet.
C9 - Pretty much the saviors for NA as far as fans goes, I don't know the C9 problem with Impact but they need to do something about it fast. C9 and FNC seems to be a Rivalry for some time now this marks like there 4th or so encounter against each other and it's FNC that seems to get the best of C9. Sneaky vs Rekkles seems to be the more "exciting" match up in which I think Sneaky is 3-1 against Rekkles(when he was on FNC and Alliance) however the overall record of FNC vs C9 follows
2013 Worlds QT FNC def C9 2-1
Battle of the Atlantic C9 def FNC 2-0
2015 Worlds Groups C9 vs FNC - Tie 1-1
History tends to repeat itself so here are my predictions .............................................................................................
P1 will do better than what people expect. TSM will get dunked because International tournaments tend to bring out the worst from TSM. C9 will most likely be the saviors for NA like always.
G2 pretty much the EU TSM will probably do meh. UOL will be exciting to watch but winning the whole thing just isn't in UOL's nature. FNC seems to do really well on the International stage and either wins it or gets close to do so.
Team Solomid 4-2
Cloud 9 4-2
Phoenix One 2-4
Fnatic 5-1
Unicorns of Love 2-4
G2 Esports 1-5
GeminiRune1 votesHonestly the closer it arrives, the more I begin to not care about how the event turns out. My expectations are for Europe to take it through FNC for the Western RR. I actually had Team China taking it for the Eastern RR but even that's in limbo following this morning's LPL broadcast.
But back to this one, everyone has their opinions on what's good and what isn't. I'm not one for history more than I am on form. And for me, I have more hesitant judgments on every team at the event barring FNC and UOL on the least extent of those judgments.
JRobin311 votesDon't count G2 out. G2 actually had a good showing at their last international performance, which was a shock because their international performance was a meme: vacation anyone?
So while you can't count on G2 to be consistent, there is a chance they show up and play well.
xJLx MCHammer1 votesFNC, TSM, and C9 look really strong
G2 at best is mediocre right now.
P1 will do horrible.
Im not sure about UOL. They are a bit of a wildcard.
Miror B1 votesAs someone who legitimately doesn't care about the NA v EU one, I'm going to take a wild guess and say we have a p1 vs fnatic finals with EU taking it despite NA 5-banning rekkles.
More excited to see the korea/china/lms one, as not only can I potentially see the razz/smithy duo (probably one of the better casting duos we can see this year), but it'll also mark the first time since his self-imposed chinese exile that we get to see pulse cast an international competition. Lots of things to watch there, not so much for the NA/EU one.
woodvsmurph1 votesEU takes it hands down. Sure c9 or tsm can beat g2, fnatic or uol, but no chance either or both of them can take down all 3. As much as I hate to say it (uol is the only eu team i really care for), na is probably going to get schrecked.
Ale non è male1 votes[{quoted}](name=Squidwards House,realm=EUW,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=shN0OI9E,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-07-02T17:26:21.670+0000)
this time even i made a few jokes about na, which i usually never do and all the eu teams trashtalked na which they also never do. i believe that karma is a bitch.
LMFAO, aside from PerkZ and partially mithy no EU team trashtalked NA, they were either forced by casters that had to push Rift Rivals rivalry to do an half-assed response or they put it out as clear jokes.
Overall I have seen mostly fanboys (and casters, but they are paid to do it so) from the two regions trashtalking rather than pro/orgs, and generally there has been less trash talk then usual because people from both sides think NA has low chances (most trashtalk Is "what if" scenario if EU loses)
tsm... well its the eu fnc. dont trust in them either.
TSM would dream to be FNC result-wise