Is NA > EU in the Next Professional Season?

TSM is in the exact position OG was, a brand new team / roster that has the same potential to rock the boat that OG had (and did) in EU..

Do you even follow these teams. Jin-Air was a mediocre team in KR with their original line-up, let alone how bad they were with 3 subs. Flashwolves were only hyped for taking games off the tigers in best of 1's which are irrelevant, and everyone had them as the weakest team going into quarters. Beating them is no accomplishment.

The only reason people even cheered for CLG at iem was because they weren't completely trash and didn't get eliminated right off the back like most predicted they would. These IEM tournaments are all going to have poor competition with team rebuilding rosters. Not to mention that last one was on patch 5.21, which was before the preseason so absolutely no one cared about it.

not so sure about Huni>Odoamne...Odoamne has shown great potential to carry and great consistency so far, while Huni kinda shipwrecked a great Fnatic team singlehandingly at times. The new H2K looks indeed promising if Forgiven finally matures into a player that puts his team first and his ego second.

Kasing is a good start for Vitality...if they aquire a whole rooster on that level EU is in for a very good season.

Forg1ven is an inconsistent player, he got banned, his old team gets disbanded, I don't expect him to come back to Pro play and have "MVP" status again, he's going to struggle.

I know I shouldn't answer to your bullshit, but I'll do just for other people's sake

You were the one to bring out KR in a thread when the OP asked if people thought that Na could beat Eu and vice versa in next season. Your post was completely unnecessary at all from the start It was done by you mainly on purpose of bullshitting Eu, since I don't remember you talking this way when NA performed better than EU but whatever, you are not going to admit it even when called out, so it is useless to discuss with you

Anyway, getting to the point of your posts, I have explained you why the changes aren't hurting KR in the way you are thinking about KR has not been damaged on the player development side by the changes, which all in all is what make region strong in the mid to long term (which reconnects to the answers given to the OP about Eu vs NA)

In KR there are more than enough organizations that can offer proper support to player to develop to offset the loss of sister teams

What other region did the sister team rule hurt?

Crs and Dig had to sold Crs Academy and Dig Eu because of the sister teams rule. Various orgs had their good CS teams that could have eventually been promoted to LCS (C9, CLG, CW, SK as some examples) So, also Na and EU were/could have been potentially hurt by the sister teams rule But guess what, where are your enraged posts about the argument back then? Nowhere to be found

The loss of Winter Split has not led to a reduction of games played for teams, if everything there was an increase in the amount of games played by Korean teams with the change of format switching to LCK, so again no loss in player development side, if everything there was a gain, which goes AGAINST your point like mentioned before

The export of players have to do with money coming to China in S5 (and partially NA), because some private bilionare decided to throw money to fund teams and buy star players, Koreans teams couldn't match simply because the amount of money was much more than what Korea organizations have ever had/spent with **any ** league format (and NA S6 new orgs are doing pretty much the same thing)

So, KR wasn't weakened in the way you think or in the magnitude you assume from choices made by Riot. KR was weakened only slightly and for other factors

The thing that can be argued as factors for KR getting weaker, is that KR major orgs have been relatively weakened because no sister teams means less exposition aka less money - but also means lower costs, let's not forget that either - and that some of the minor orgs support staff could have not been up to the standard of some of the major orgs.......BUT, Koreans couldn't avoid anyway Chinese (and NA) richer teams stealing players cause money reason (and China was yet starting to import players in S4 when Korea had sister teams, and SHRC had bought two koreans when they got to World finals in S4), and that these theoretical development player problems because of poor support stuff would have not been hitting any top team so their level in international competition wasn't weakened, but if anything, weakened only the bottom of LCK standings teams - and the weakening of LCK competition had more to do with the amount of player that left because of money than any other reason, imho -

EDIT. Also, I forgot, that orgs forcing to merge sister teams also helped to create some super teams with the best players coming from strong teams from the same org, thus creating even stronger rosters that certainldoes not hit the competitivity of the roster of the single org, but if anything could lead them to have even stronger rosters

So, I'm mad because not because "you are telling the truth", but because you are sprewing bullshit about EU, hiding behind results achieved by KR despite the changes to their scene without even understand how the changes have actually affected KR scene at first

I do not expect you to understand and/or answer to proper argumentations to the points I have raised, but I'd be satisfied if some person less stubborn than you can detect your bullshit

H2K new roster looks absolutely sick, you should be hyped then! They picked up Jankos, Vander, and Forgiven, kept Odo and Ryu. Now thats a worlds roster right there. H2K vs FNC vs OG will be the most hype thing to watch in EU, I'm going to try for all of their games. NA imma just watch like everything the first week, too many roster moves for me to decide who's good and who isn't. but on paper its looking like TSM=C9>NRG>Immortals>CLG=RNG.

NRG has really strong carries but randoms for support and jungle. Immortals has kinda average players (Pobelter, Wildturtle, Adrian...) but then also the killer combo of Reignover/Huni. RNG looks like shit except they also have Freeze, who has been known to carry hard, and they have been practicing in Korea lately. CLG also looks like shit, but has good shotcalling. Needs Zion to carry same way RNG needs Freeze to carry and TSM used to need Bjerg to carry.

NA is hype as fuck, lets see how my predictions hold up :D

Ok i didn't hear about vitality, that's actually really interesting. And i just said in the previous comment that "maybe saying they would struggle to not be relegated was too far". This is me agreeing with you on that point, although i still think that RNG TL and CLG (which will be the bottom part of NA's top 7) will be better than UOL, if marginally.

On paper i would probably put Vitality between immortals and CLG. TL I haven't really placed yet because we still dont know their top laner, but here is basically my prediction OG>H2K>FNC>TSM=C9>NRG>Immortals>Vitality>CLG=RNG>GIA>G2>UOL>ROCCAT=DigEU

And yea i might be overrating Alex Ich, but i expect him to at least hold his own against the likes of Pepi. and NOTE that im only placing RNG this high because this is freeze in a carry bot meta. He carried even when it wasn't meta, i expect him to be amazing this split. I also think RNG would beat CLG in game, just because i think carry top +shitters wont be as good as carry AD+shitters, but i think CLG has a better chance against the top teams just because of their macro play, especially mid game. And RNG is in general the biggest guess because i know the least about them.

EDIT: Giants also surprises a lot, but Im basing them off of their average game rather than their peak.