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At what point does a 9/0 Reksai start building damage?

pleep·3/13/2015, 10:27:14 PM·6 votes·1,461 views

After hearing all the complaints about the C9 game today i decided to finally take a look at it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48P7Ossl9tA

I cannot get over the fact of how legitimately retarded NA "pros" are. I am fully convinced that theses kids are incapable of original thought and just spammed duo Q all the way to challenger. My biggest problem with this joke we call the LCS is how unorginal and circlejerky it is. Same Champions, same builds, same strategies..... until the koreans come up with something new and then we copy it. No one is capable of original thought at all. Case in point: C9 metos on Renkai.

At what point does it become a good idea to keep building full tank when you are 9/0 and ksed your carries the entire game? Please explain to me the logic here.

  1. No one is focusing you, why build defenses when u arent being attacked?

  2. Damage = survivability when you are diving. It is better to kill something in 5 seconds than to kill it in 20 seconds... It doesnt matter how tanky you are the longer u stay in the enemy team the greater your chance of dying. Also 1 + 1 = 2

And this is not the first time ive seen this derpyness. For a long time (before j4 meta) the LCS was full of tank rengars, tank kha'zix even a tank Xin zhao from the Oddone. All were 0 impact. Like... if u want to play a tank why not play something that actually scales off defenses like Volibear or Naut, and doesn't become completely useless late game? Logic pls. I guess critical thinking is too much to ask from such a circlejerky hive brained community.

12 Comments

DestructoDave3/16/2015, 8:30:15 PM2 votes

Honestly, maybe Meteos could have built another damage item. But, its not Meteos's fault they lost the game. Its not like him having another dmg item is going to make Hai ult the correct targets, or his team play better.

C9 as a whole played like absolute crap both games, with only Meteos looking decent in game 2. Maybe lemon looked ok with binds. But hai was a typical mess, wasting lissandra ults on the wrong targets over and over and over.

They should have been able to end that game, even with tank Reksai; but its hard to win a team fight or push when you are completely throwing every single one of them like they did.

Not to mention, I dont think C9 has won a single game with Gnar, even when Gnar was OP and even bottom feeding LCS teams were winning with him. C9 simply cannot win with Gnar, and the minute they picked Gnar I knew the game was a loss.

So in all honesty, I doubt him getting a damage item would have made a difference unless he planned on split pushing. Watching Sneaky get insta-gibbed by a zed multiple times on the safest ADC in the game, because of bad teamfights/positioning/no QSS even as farmed as he was, hai ulting the wrong targets, no one peeling for sneaky, their inability to play around Gnar bar, and all the other crap going wrong, I fail to see how that game was Meteos fault because he didnt get a damage item.

Someone needs to get Hai a sports psychologist or something because this guy has fell apart. He has been playing like absolute crap for awhile now. Balls has completely fell off. At one point, he was considered the best top laner in NA and he plays god awful now. Sneaky and meteos are the only consistent players on the team, and Lemon is hit or miss, and has always been hit or miss.

Hell, their entire team needs a sports psychologist. You cannot go into a tournament scared to death and already expecting to lose like they did vs. GE. I dont care what team it is. Thats not a winning mindset, and you arent going to do anything with that kind of mindset. You dont see the worst teams in the NFL talk about losing to say, the Pats. They go in expecting to win and take games off them at times. Same with Boxers, or any sports. You cannot be a successful team thinking you are going to lose all the time. Man up. Thats the one thing I actually like most about EU teams. They actually THINK they can always win. They might perform worse, for IMO, preparation reasons, but they def. have the confidence C9 lacks.

C9 cannot have so many players being bad. Hai being bad is a given, but with Balls playing like Hai, this team is never going to do much until they fix it.

Only Play Darius3/13/2015, 10:45:34 PM1 votes

Because ever since Rek'Sai's ratios got nerfed, you can't survive by building anything other than straight tank.

There's the fighter problem. Your supposed to be a damage threat, but if you don't build high defenses you get blown up instantly, so often it's just better to build straight tank.

tTops3/13/2015, 10:49:51 PM1 votes

You are overlooking the idea of "thinking ahead" and the fact that team play =/= solo queue. The team is composed of 2 primary sources of damage, 1 support, and then 2 flexible champions who can build tank/off-tank/carry/off-carry.

Junglers, at least in this meta, typically build the bare minimum to clear camps effectively, and maybe burst a squishy down with reasonable burst. The jungler also takes on a lot of the vision-war responsibilities and cannot build offensive items since it would delay their build and the team as a whole will suffer.

Typically, we see junglers build hydra and maybe a brutilizer, then build full tank. This does two things:

  1. The jungler can clear effectively
  2. The Jungler has enough damage to be a threat to squishy targets. Therefore, he cannot be ignored in fights. Due to this, cooldowns, basic attacks, and so on, from the enemy team, are soaked by the jungler.

Since he is building primarily tank/bruiser, he is able to withstand some of this harass.

Also, the note about Voli and Naut is they do not provide the same early aggression or snowball, and if they can't make anything happen early, they are pretty much useless come mid game.

Regarding the C9 game: Meteos attempted to camp top into a full tank Mao'Kai. If he had built to be able to pop Mao, he would have had to invest 2k-3k gold on early-game items. That would have delayed his build far too long.

A lot of this game came down to comp. Balls and Hai, recently, are almost only performing well on Zed and Mao, both of which were taken away, and at the point of Meteos being 9/0, Caitlyn was already able to overcome her mid-game fall-off.

tldr: the game was not lost by Meteos building tanky, nor would it have been won by him building offensive.

Premade competitive is different than solo queue, so a lot more preparation and planning goes into comps, builds, and play-styles. That being said, on Rek'Sai, you can go something like Warrior Enchant -> Hydra/Triforce+brut -> tank, getting hydra most games, and triforce + brut when really far ahead.

To conclude, it pretty much comes down to planning ahead, and building for your team in the professional competitive scene. :)

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youngjake933/13/2015, 10:39:21 PM1 votes

I think he stayed full defense because it was an all AD team and building defensively is really efficient vs a single damage type. Plus he already had the warrior enchant which is an efficient single dmg item. I think it was more playstyle than build even though the build affected it some. Meteos kept trying to run away from fights after he dove onto the backline to preserve his flawless KDA. There were multiple times where he was not hitting anyone, but 4 people were hitting him. If you are 80% of your team's kills, then every second you spend not attacking someone is a huge loss

Buttigieg 20203/14/2015, 12:19:59 AM1 votes

I cry when I see a full tank rengar or full tank vi. YOU ARE NOT PLAYING A FKING TANK.

AndyChrono3/14/2015, 1:18:53 AM1 votes

Personally I thought the build was fine. C9's biggest problem that game was:

  1. At ~26:30 the Top Inhibitor Turret of YFW goes down, exposing the Inhibitor.
  2. For the next 20 MINUTES until the end of the game they NEVER again go attack the open Inhibtor.................. Instead they keep trying to attack mid and fighting near/under turrets....... either that or trying Baron....

Seriously, they should have just killed the Top Inhibitor to create map pressure and then taken Baron or push one of the other lanes down.

Eggstealer3/13/2015, 10:50:04 PM1 votes

Obviously full tank was working well enough for him to go 9-0 and honestly unless you play in the LCS or are a top tier challenger/Master player then you don't really have any grounds to bash their decisions on. "why fix what isn't broken" why would he change his build if it's working just fine.

EDIT: I guess this is the game they lost (I didn't watch today), but in most cases I would stick by my comment. this game maybe not though