Why NA sucks in international play

Lugg·11/2/2015, 9:22:39 PM·8 votes·4,786 views

Having watched and played a lot of League for a few years now, I think I now understand why NA players have trouble competing against the rest of the world. This is just my opinion, but I think it has a lot of truth in it. I would be glad to hear back from the forums on whether you guys agree or disagree.

The biggest reason NA falls behind the rest of the world right now is meta picks. Whenever a champion(s) is FOTM, it gets played/abused at an absurd rate. This causes players to rank up due more to the champion being overly strong than the player's actual skill level. Hear me out on this one. How often do you see someone's profile (who is quickly moving up the ladder) on websites where it gives their champions played, only to see them spamming whatever champ is strongest at that time. They will have a very high win percentage on those champions that are strong, meta, OP (whatever you want to call it). However, they will have horrible win rates on the non meta picks.

If you look at the strongest region right now, Korea, (while they do play meta picks in solo queue) the ratio is MUCH lower than in NA. It is much more common and accepted for people to play the non meta champs without getting flamed (which happens way too much in NA). This causes two things to happen. One, the meta changes and different champions are going to rise and fall in power. If you are already skilled in a champion, you will really dominate once that champ becomes strong in a meta. A good example of this lately was Veigar. He was a viable champ, but probably slightly on the weak side until his latest buffs. Once he did get buffed though, the players who were great with him wrecked face to the point where you get the "OMG VEIGAR SO OP" threads popping up all over. On the other side, if you are playing champions purely due to their power level, when they finally get nerfed your win rate plummets due to the fact that you depended more on their sheer power than your actual skill level.

The second point is that playing in a queue that has a much larger pool of played champions allows you to actually learn the counterplay against all of the champions. How often do you see this in NA: A champion that had a very low pick rate gets a slight or moderate buff and then all of a sudden becomes meta because no one knows the counterplay to them, since they were basically never played before then. This doesn't really happen in Korea since they have die hard mains on champions regardless of whether they are meta or not. They will main their favorite champion thru thick and thin. This is a major reason the Koreans adjust so quickly to meta changes, they understand all the champions better from having faced them more often. Unless there is a major rework, the basic counterplay to that champion won't change with a buff.

So that's why I think NA is behind the rest of the world. Hopefully this post made sense. Let me know if there is anything that needs to be clarified. Thanks for reading.

29 Comments

TurquoiseYoshi11/2/2015, 9:56:47 PM5 votes

While that can be a part of it, I think there's more to it than that. As a whole, it's a lot better to be an esports player in Korea than it is in America, for numerous social and economic reasons.

Ale non è male11/3/2015, 12:30:11 AM3 votes

The problem is that when FOTM picks arrive in NA scene, in Korea, Eu, or China they are yet trying to prepare some new FOTM pick. Literaly Veigar pick on mid lane at Worlds is the biggest contribution made by Na scene in long time, and his success didn't last very long, at least for NA teams

Earl Eulrich11/3/2015, 1:31:33 AM3 votes

i don´t think SoloQ is really the reason here...most of it has to be the coaching actually.

you´ve seen LGD coming in without a coach at all and well...they went down in flames, despite having about the most talented players you could have managed to grab. And in Semis you´ve just seen that both Korean teams had a much better draft than the EU-teams - as their coach apparently did study their opponents and prepare their junglers for a meta without Gragas, while EU just couldn´t adapt to the Gragas-ban and lost most games due to incredible bad pick-priority.

Also...CLG won 2 gamesi n the first week and started dreaming of becoming world champs...if you compare that to the Korean-Teams (or OG for that matter) staying humble and trying to improve all tournament long you just saw that their coaches had a lot better influence on their mindsets.

All that being said...NA really should start to produce some talent of their own and invest in it - over the past years they´ve mostly tried to "steal" players from other regions and that really didn´t do them much good (same for China this season, albeit they really had some other issues topping it of).

JRobin3111/4/2015, 4:11:55 AM2 votes

I agree that the culture in Korea is better for players who want to be professional gamers, but I disagree that there is a "META" pick abuse that's at the root cause here.

SKT T1 won this year because of their work ethic. They took two sisters teams, merged them together with the best talent from each team and kept all of the players willing to stay and used them interchangeably game to game (active substitute for FAKER). They took advantage of every opportunity they had to scrim teams internationally because they honestly respected that other regions had improved in the game and that there were things they could only learn from playing non-Korean teams.

Keeping the humility may be the hardest part, but you can't remain competitive at the highest level without it.

MegaManYYZ11/2/2015, 11:45:41 PM2 votes

I don't agree with that reason. Why Korea is better is because on average, they just play against much better players very regularly, they face each other in solo queue and skrims all the time and playing against much better players will only elevate your game if you're a great player.

as the saying goes, "steel sharpens steel"

Slamurai Jack11/3/2015, 12:25:08 AM2 votes

I would argue that NA tilts more when playing against "OP" champs more than anything and having one on your team is inherently valuable even if you aren't particularly good at it. I still have to ban Darius because people on my team still think he's OP and will tilt super hard if the enemy team picks him and does anything at all. "Idiot first pick didn't ban Darius and now he has a kill GG open mid".

Kuramel11/6/2015, 3:43:31 PM1 votes

Could it be that....hmmm maybe...they aren't that good?

Xantak11/7/2015, 8:58:09 AM1 votes

Part of it also is that Korea, and to an extent even China/Taiwan all have more games during the regular season splits, so they have a higher amount of experience in matches with those champions. You've also got a modular team like SKT-1, where they can swap in either Easyhoon or T0M(I felt real bad for T0M not being there, as I really like his playstyle) between matches, keeping the other team guessing and forcing opponents to adapt to different styles. The substitutions can likewise be used to give a player a rest between matches, especially if the previous match has been a grueling slobberknocker or drawn out grind. One of the Oriental teams has something like 5-7 substitutes that can be rotated. NA substitutes just....warm the bench...They get no real experience, no real opportunity to mesh with the team on stage. Look at poor KEITH for example. One game with TSM, and that's it.

I get that a lot of NA or EU teams want to have their best players in to win each match, but again, look at SKT-1. They devastated opponents, and sometimes brought out the subs(sometimes for fun), and the subs smashed other teams as well.

Montecristo was right. Infrastructure is a huge part of Korea's success in LoL.

XxobscenexX11/2/2015, 9:37:32 PM1 votes

agree

AIodia5/20/2018, 9:53:42 AM1 votes

NAH STOP BLAMING META, ITS THE PLAYERS THAT SUCK

CPU BIanc11/3/2015, 1:17:16 AM1 votes

How about keane's urgot?

Axxlon11/3/2015, 2:35:43 AM1 votes

I would honestly believe the whole meta thing. I personally try not to play the champs that NA considers "meta" because I feel like it degrades my skill on a personal level, as well as my integrity.

If I had it my way, I would try to build whatever I felt most comfortable with building on my main,TwistedFate , when dealing with mobile enemy threats, because guess what? I actually know how to play my champion, and I also know what i'm vulnerable to, and how to counteract that with certain item choices.

...Yet, unfortunately, I constantly (and consistently) feel peer pressured into not doing what I want to do (aka, what somebody else wants me to do), out of the fear of being flamed and chastised for doing what I know works for my champion and playstyle combination. I get people all the time who try to tell me off for using Runaan's Hurricane on TF, when in reality, they don't even know the first thing about me, or my playstyle (let alone how TF's kit works...). Of course, the brunt of this pressure stems from the fact that i'm already playing a champ whose not considered "meta", so unless some sort of grand fuckin' miracle happens on my side, chances are i'm gonna get instantly flamed the moment my team starts losing because of people looking for excuses (the easiest, in fact).

In all honestly, the core root of NA's problems come from mentality: both personal and mob-mentality. If people would stop harshly accusing other people and talking shit about them, we wouldn't have these problems so god-damned often.

FellowWolf11/3/2015, 8:53:25 AM1 votes

Your second point is pretty much bullshit. "This doesn't really happen in Korea since they have die hard mains on champions regardless of whether they are meta or not" First of all how do you know this? There's no way you can know this. Secondly, the champ pool is the same in every single region, sorry bro. Darius Gnar Renekton Rumble Shen; Lee Sin Gragas Shywana Elise Reksai J4; Mid has like 10 champs so I'm not gonna go into that; ashe tristana sivir jynx kalista; Alistar Naut Shen Janna Morgana Tresh Tahm Kench. So there's really not a lot to talk about champions right there, this shit has been going on for like 1 year, so saying that someone is more prepared is just complete bullshit. Furthermore "the players who were great with him wrecked face to the point where you get the "OMG VEIGAR SO OP"" I'm 100% sure, threads on 9gag and reddit does not effect NA's international plays. Lastly, shall we PLEASE just look at who competed from NA? CLG- zero coaching/ managing staff, they are imbeciles. I mean hotshot doesn't need any introductions, and that ziks guy is 20 years old or something. TSM- 3 out of 5 were looking to leave after worlds, therefore they had no reason to put effort into practicing and getting better. C9- 7th place team, and rightfully so. So that's all there is to it, good topic I just think we should look at it from a different perspective.

Myz11/3/2015, 2:52:30 PM1 votes

No.

No one flame non meta picks in high elo. The issue is koreans practice for like 80 hours a week while NA only 30-40 with most of it being solo q. Also NO ONE has "fun" in solo q, most ranked if not all, are played as if its a tournament.

Earl Eulrich11/5/2015, 10:57:42 PM1 votes

i stumbled upon a fine article be Eron Rauch on the topic of esports and mobas in general that might be an interessting read for you, it especially highlights the historical difference in professionalism between "the west", Korea and China...

-> http://videogametourism.at/content/demystifying-mobas-grand-spectacle