Incarnati0n surprises with The Veigod in resounding C9 win

Since when H2K is the worst team in the tournament ?

Monte actually has shown strong tendencies to bash C9 for almost no reason. Back in 2014 when C9 was really good he and Jack got into a twitter argument because Monte was straight up being rude about C9 publicly. Really, really glad they shoved his words right back into his mouth. SOURCE: https://twitter.com/rngmontecristo/status/426211573904846848

Monte is not a really smart analyst. He speaks his mind. But he also does not give C9 credit when credit is due. A bad team doesn't reverse sweep 2 times in a row, and then knock out a pretty good Liquid team. Bad teams do not make runs like that.

Too often people are saying individually this guy that guy blah blah. C9 excels is team decision making and team fighting. Not even 2 weeks ago people were complaining that LOL is now a team game. It's too hard to carry. Well if that is the case you still think C9 is a bad team? I think not....

I agree with most of what you said, particularly on Monte's preparations and qualifications to assess a team's strength. However, I think calling Taiwan a region "filled with less talent" is a bit silly, especially considering the fact that they're one of three regions to have won Worlds.

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What the hell are people disillusion right now?

Cloud 9 beat AHQ, a team from a region that has been known for a long time now to be filled with less talent. I support cloud 9 but lets be honest guys, don't blow this win out of proportion and say Cloud 9 is now a good team because they played a good game. If we use this logic we can go back to the start of the split and say they were a good team because they beat TSM but look what happened after that game, they fell apart and it became one of their worst seasons yet.

I'm just saying it's only been a game and there's still 5 more to go. 4 of which are going to be even harder. So don't say Monte is an out of touch douche bag, because he spends his life analyzing this game, when you don't put even 1/10th of the research into it he does. He has some of the most knowledge out of any of the casters having personal experience with coaching a team professionally, while also being an analyst for one of the best regions in the world while having access to some of the best teams in the world.

http://worlds.lolesports.com/en_US/worlds/articles/worlds-2015-power-rankings

Coming into Worlds AHQ was considered top seven.

That is quite a lot of disrespect for LMS as a region. Yes LMS may not be the MOST competitive region of all (right now), but you are just acting JUST like Monte for not giving proper credit to players or region that actually work hard to achieve the impossible. The whole analyst desk is straight out disrespect and unfairly calling C9 bad (yes Monte was the only one reclaimed his statement later, but I felt like that was just his way of saving his own face if things went wrong and look how the game end up). They are not bad analysis, but HAVING a spot at worlds they are sure as hell can't be call a "bad" team when they are above 0.001% of league population.

If we want to use logic, then let's think about this logically. Up until the beginning of this year's Summer Split, Cloud 9 has always been dominant and one of the teams to beat. When Hai departed and Incarnati0n took up mid lane, that is when the team went into a steep decline. Recognizing that the problem was not the addition of Incarnati0n to the team but the loss of Hai, Cloud 9 decided to reinstate Hai back onto the main roster, but as a jungler, thus keeping Incarnati0n in the line-up.

The rest of the Summer Split was up and downfor Cloud 9, with the team going through growing pains from all the recent changes. At the end of the split, they managed to avoid relegation, and be able to cash in on their League points from the Spring. However, they would be at the bottom of the list, needing to defeat everyone else on that list to go to Worlds. And hey, they did just that.

The Cloud 9 that won against ahq e-Sport Club is not the same team that started the Summer Split. Let's be clear on that. We can keep going to the Summer Split, but that has little relevance now. Instead, the analysts should have been focusing on their gauntlet-run, which demonstrated not only Cloud 9's tenacity and fortitude, but also their ability to win games against top competitive teams.

To say that the gauntlet was full of "bad teams" (MonteCristo's words) is just plain insulting and demeaning. Yes, it seemed to be a long shot for Cloud 9 to win, if we look at just the numbers. And yes, the analyst desk had good reason to believe that Cloud 9 would fail. But to diminish and trivialize their accomplishments, like MonteCristo did (which in turn diminishes and trivialize the accomplishments of C9's gauntlet opponents: Gravity, Team Impulse, and Team Liquid), is just plain rude, narrow-minded, and the words of a douche bag.

And another example of MonteCristo's douchey-ness came right after the CLG win over Flash Wolves. Yes, CLG made some obvious errors. Even Crumbz and YamatoCannon made mention of those. But at least they were not being so condescending about it. Hey, MonteCristo may have some personal experience coaching a professional team, but that team never finished first in the LCS nor secure a win at Worlds.

Monte didn't have any real success coaching (CLG). He knows the game but he really is wayyyyyyyyyy too biased even compared to the other casters he is over the top biased. At least the other casters try to be a little fair and acknowledge other teams win conditions monte is just a straight up Korean boy lover who is only casting in Korea so he can brag