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"One Shot" -- Revisit TSM’s narrow win over G2 to understand their MSI run

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It was one bar of health, but TSM's Nexus still shined. In their first match against Europe's G2, TSM vindicated both their biggest supporters and then their doubters.

Four teams advance to MSI's knockout stage, and TSM finds itself in the spectator seat once again. Their international struggles are well documented — this despite a domestic stranglehold over their NA brethren. Plenty of people in the TSM organization could have done X or Y better, sure, but League of Legends is more about coordinating those Xs and Ys in conjunction. Not in isolation. TSM wasn't vastly overwhelmed in individual talent this tournament, and that, perhaps, is what makes their exit all the more bitter.

I want to look at their thrilling win over G2 on Day 3 to talk about what happened. The game is an instant classic on its own, but it may be swept under the disappointing tide of TSM's elimination from MSI 2017. What's most notably missing from TSM is any sort of swagger. It's a hard thing to qualify, but there's a fine line between playing to win and playing to not lose. TSM is perhaps letting the international pressure affect their mentality too much.

Risk-averse play isn't always the safe play — avoiding a fist fight with a raccoon, for example, isn't the safe play if there's a lion behind you. TSM's hesitation to pull the trigger — be it on a turret siege or on a neutral objective — was their defining fault this tournament. Let's jump into the game.

Champion Select

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These two teams really didn’t want to deal with shields here, as five shielding champs were banned out. Some things to note:

  • Win condition for G2 is to set up flanks so Gragas and Lee can use their displacements to split up the TSM team — ideally a kick or barrel that sends anyone but Elise (who has rappel) into Syndra.
  • Win condition for TSM is to line up a cocoon or arrow with the Rumble ult and Jayce poke. TSM doesn't really want to fight a head on 5 on 5.
  • Tahm Kench can ruin everything — especially for Syndra — by eating one of his allies. Sometimes you really should step into the belly of the beast.
  • The more in vogue shielders may be banned out, but Braum's shield can block out the CC from TSM. G2 is in good shape so long as he keeps his mustache in front of his team.

Game

 
0:30
G2 (blue side) does the classic solo queue level 1 bush stack above their red buff. TSM tryhard 5 point spread. No invade, though.
2:40
Ashe (WildTurtle) Hawk Shot spots Lee Sin (Trick). It's actually a pretty cool strategy to shove in early as Ashe to get a better angle on that ability. Lee Sin is then scouted again at 3:22 thanks to a ward at Krugs. Visibility on the jungler lets you play a lot more aggressively in lane.
5:00
No one has died yet. Neither jungler has invaded. Both fan bases take their first breath of the game.
6:20
Lee Sin takes blasting cone over the wall to gank top, which syncs with Gragas (Expect) dinging level 6. Gragus ult knocks rumble back and Lee lands the Q, but they don't have enough damage and Rumble (Hauntzer) flashes out. Hauntzer reportedly started chanting "MVP" quietly to himself here.
6:30
Meanwhile, Elise (Svenskeren) ganks mid and forces Syndra into the TSM red jungle. Rumble ults her and she is chased down. She probably would have lived if she didn't pause to try and turn some damage with Lee Sin — it was pretty sloppy comms to not call out Rumble still having Equalizer. Also, this was all a product of shoving into Jayce's turret even though her jungler was ganking top — needed to respect the early game Elise gank a lot more.
8:25
Lee Sin gets killed trying to clear a pink ward. Those things are bigger death traps than cannon minions. Can't do it without vision on the other jungler. Blind Monk indeed.
9:55
Lucian (Zven) and Braum (mithy) go hard on Ashe and Tahm Kench (Biofrost), but the catfish just eats Ashe. Maybe they're getting bored at this point since nothing has happened on that side of the map yet. Maybe Ashe is spamming "R — Ready."
12:00
Lee checks a bush with Q at melee range. Kind of confusing that he had the foresight to check it but that he wouldn't do it from further away. Ends up blowing Flash to get away.
12:20
Syndra and Jayce take a big trade. Syndra Ghosts to run — probably expected Tahm and Elise to show up. However, the duo went to secure Earth Drake instead.
13:45
Rumble has a 30+ CS lead even though he had to blow his Flash early. He eventually breaks 200 by 18 minutes. Hauntzer is pretty good at League of Legends.
14:50
Jayce eats another Unleashed Power from Syndra — his 3rd or 4th of the game. I thought you just had to press R to win on Syndra???
15:00
Fight breaks out that eventually sees Lee get blasted over into the blue buff and killed because his W and Flash are down. Really rough game for him early on.
17:00
Still no turrets removed from the map. This is because all of the fighting has revolved around mid lane so far. I'm kind of surprised neither side has tried to make something happen in bot lane.
17:30
Braum caught in the river. This eventually leads to TSM 4-manning bot lane to take that turret. Now the game will open up as this frees Ashe and Braum to roam. This is the proverbial trigger.
18:50
Lee is sneaking the Ocean Drake because of TSM's back. TSM doesn't like that, so a fight breaks out in which G2 focuses down Tahm Kench. Equalizer is unequalizes everything, though, and TSM takes a team fight 4 to 2.
20:55
Gragas steals blue buff. Doesn't spam emote though, so it's not BM enough. G2 should review this missed opportunity.
21:20
TSM tries to make a play on Syndra and successfully get her Ghost, even though the Rumble ult whiffing looks really bad.
22:25
G2's outer mid falls. This is probably the most important turret of the outer six. It opens up so many different pathways for TSM. Losing this without an adequate trade elsewhere generally means you're in a really bad situation.
24:35
Posturing around Baron starts to really take shape. Lane phase is effectively over. This mid-game jockeying for positioning is make or break for most teams. G2 wants Baron alive because they can't really take it, and TSM wants it dead. For G2, this is League's version of an escort quest. Infernal Drake is spawning soon, too, and that one usually makes people do some really dumb things.
25:10
Braum dies trying to hold off TSM. He's just extended too far for this point in the game, so TSM takes the Drake. Then they take G2's lunch money. Then they take my lunch money. Really just bullying everything at this point.
25:50
Tahm and Jayce roam top to kill Syndra, who is overextended. She blows everything but still dies. This is one of those deaths where you just type "Tahm no SS" and then tab out to check Twitter or something.
26:40
Lee trades his life for Ashe. Not really worth, but also definitely worth — as is the Lee Sin way. Outer top falls, but it was a goner anyway. Nice to try and make a play when you're behind, but TSM just collapsed faster.
28:20
Baron posturing is too important, and TSM catches G2 out of position and takes inner mid. It's not a super important turret, though — it doesn't really open any important pathways for TSM at this point in the game.
29:00
Casters are talking about whether Svenskeren is having a good game or if Trick is having a bad game. I think, certainly, that Trick is having a bad game. But some of that seems to just be miscommunication from his team. And Sven's been getting some flack in this tournament, but I wonder how much of that is just him not properly accounting for the shift to international play. His solo laners won lane frequently in the NA LCS, and not doing so now (competition is much tougher) limits his ability to invade. But that's the style he was accustomed to, so when he invades still, they aren't there to back him up like normal. It's either that or the Reddit peanut gallery is right and it's all his fault and he's just a boosted animal.
31:00
TSM rotates to top inner. This is a really good place to situate yourself when you have the lead because it lets you easily rotate towards Baron if something goes well. Fight breaks out — Jayce is kicked in, but manages to Flash out. Syndra probably could have Flash ulted him for the kill here. But she doesn't, so Lee dies for nothing. Again, poor comms — one foot on the gas and one foot in the grave.
31:30
G2 pursues anyway and ends up losing everyone but Syndra. It's a pretty desperate fight (that they actually play mostly well). But in the aftermath, TSM is up 8k gold. You'd expect them to close out cleanly from here. But I wouldn't be writing this if they did that. TSM follows it up with another Infernal Drake.
33:50
TSM returns to top and kill Braum under his turret. It's hard for TSM to continue pressing without the Ashe arrow, though. They don't really have any other way of initiating from a distance, so they posture around Baron and kill it. Lucian counters with mid outer, and the gold difference is 9k. This should have been the death push, but we'll see quickly why tanks are important.
35:10
G2 hides in TSM's blue jungle and surprises Rumble. It's a really smart strategy — it cuts off one of TSM's members to help stall out Baron, and it also wastes the Ashe arrow. TSM can't siege without it because they don't have anyone who can sufficiently tank an inhibitor turret dive. They need a pick.
36:40
TSM finally groups to use their Baron buff. They need an Arrow and Cocoon to land on someone important, or they need to be able to disengage as Jayce takes a turret elsewhere — that's too dangerous, though, so they stay grouped. TSM can't deal with the wave clear, though, and then lose the Baron buff, so they leave.
38:50
TSM secures Elder Drake atop three drakes. Now they can dive.
39:55
Or not — Elise takes way too much damage, so TSM backs off. Both mid inhib turret and bot inhib turret are super low. Baron spawns in a minute. I think they could have pressed hard if they used Rumble ult to zone, though. They're a little too passive.
41:30
TSM starts Baron. They end up tanking it for some 40-50 seconds. Again, they don't have a tank, so they can't really do this. All they had to do was peel off and go siege top — they had the angle. Instead, a really strange fight breaks out where nobody dies — Gragas barrels into them. Probably because he wants TSM to stop hurting themselves like that. The two parties split off and never text each other again. Very awkward. Lucian manages to take TSM's mid inner out of it.
43:00
G2 forces a 50/50 Baron — which they should because they're behind — and get it. They follow it with an Insec kick onto Ashe. Tahm can't save her because he eats Elise — who flashed in to try for a steal — instead. Huge risk from G2, but a necessary one, and it pays off. Honestly, TSM could have forced this before and probably still won the fight — when you're that far ahead, you just want to bait the other team into fighting you. Indecision cost them dearly.
46:00
At this point, the game is basically one team fight away from ending. And like I said earlier, TSM wants to avoid the head on 5v5, so it's a pretty scary place for them to be in. TSM's gold advantage doesn't matter as much at this point, but they're still up. They're playing super scared though.
47:00
G2 pushes and secures two turrets bot lane and the inhibitor. And a huge wave crashes into top for TSM. Not looking good for NA faithful. G2 comeback mechanics in full display.
48:40
The star of the match, the Elder Dragon, is 10 seconds away from spawning. Lucian and Syndra and shoving mid lane for G2. They don't need the Elder, they just need to prevent TSM from taking it.
48:50
G2 commits Lucian and Syndra to shoving mid. All five TSM members are in the river.
49:00
TSM forces Elder Dragon. Braum is in the middle of the two parties and retreats to help Gragas and Lee. TSM secures Elder, but Lucian and Syndra are on the Nexus turrets. G2 NEEDS to find Rumble and prevent his TP. But they don't.
49:15
Rumble completes his ultimate channel. Lucian and Syndra are split in the base, so he can only focus one — it has to be Lucian, who does more damage to the Nexus. Lucian shoots Rumble a couple times more than necessary, though.
49:20
Jayce enters the base and must take out Syndra. He has one shot. He nails it. Both of them fall, and TSM Collapses on Gragas, who's basically army crawling to the Nexus. But he falls short like Kevin Dyson in Super Bowl XXXIV.
49:40
Camera's on Lee Sin, who's waiting in the TSM red jungle for a chance to backdoor the Nexus. He has GA, Flash, and his kick up.
49:55
Lee flashes the wall and goes for it. It takes two seconds for Tahm Kench to respond and back to help.
50:00
Lee kicks Rumble away. He has no wards, though, so now it's a game of tag. He gets six autoattacks onto the turret before proccing GA. Double redemption cancels each other out from the supports on the respawn.
50:10
Lee gets two more autos off before dying. He's literally one hit away from winning the game for G2. Former FNC jungler Cyanide tweets about PTSD. Europe's heart sinks. The Brazilian crowd sounds like a stampede, and G2 can only pray the noise somehow topples the Nexus. Can only pray. But it's not answered. TSM takes the game and extends G2's struggles against NA teams. But G2's problems — early game miscues — are much easier to mend than TSM's.

The Takeaway

A very similar game unfolds when TSM faces G2 again on Day 5 of the MSI Group Stage. TSM picks a composition with a nearly identical style and then jumps out to a similar lead. The biggest problem is TSM's unwillingness to make an aggressive play with their leads. There's no excuse for how little they managed to achieve with Baron and Elder buffs this tournament.

In this game, and in their rematch with G2, they needed to sync a Rumble Equalizer with a CC ultimate from the ADC (Ashe in this case and Varus later) — not necessarily to kill someone, but to zone them from the turret. That timing pretty much never happened in crucial sieges. Hauntzer and WildTurtle just never seemed to be on the same page. TSM was just waiting for their opponent to trip into their arms.

It's a little infuriating to watch — the lack of initiative and the lack of coordination. Hell, they may only be at MSI because of the infamous "Jensen'd" play that was more a mistake from C9 than a proactive move on TSM's part. That's what made a team like GAM so exciting to watch — they went out on their own terms. They tried to make plays. They got knocked on their asses and got right back up again.

But a game like this shows TSM does have it in them to play well at international tournaments. They have the parts to compete — especially with Doublelift returning to the roster rotation come summer. And Doublelift has swagger if nothing else. That little step. That decisiveness — this is the thing that will elevate TSM to the next level. They are giving their opponents too much respect. TSM will likely have another successful split in the NA LCS, but they should look not just to win, but to dominate if they want to redeem themselves at Worlds.

MSI resumes as SK Telecom T1 takes on the Flash Wolves on Friday, May 19 at 11 pm PT.

Kien Lam is a writer for LoLesports. You can find really awful great jokes on his Twitter @meanmisterkien.

94 Comments

Dukues8 votes

This is really well written. Pretty much sums up their tournament. They played so scared and passive with leads. Something I didn't think TSM would do. But they did and it cost them enough games to move on. Hopefully they learn from this experience and can grow as a team. I would by lying if I said I wasn't worried though. Just seems like this same story has been told before, and they have yet to learn.

SciFi Scrivener7 votes

Just saying, take out SKT and GAM, and the four remaining teams would make a great knock out round. As it stands, there is little suspense before SKT gets crowned the winners. Personally I'm looking forward to summer split to see if FLY and P1 can continue to play against the more established teams, and if Dardouch makes a difference for CLG. Very little interest in watching the knock out stage this weekend.

Some will call me an NA homer, but the truth is the SKT domination takes away from the excitement. G2, WE, FW, TSM all have a chance of winning against each other, there would be no favorite to win it all. With SKT in the tourny there is very little doubt who will win.

Miror B3 votes

Why take GAM out of it? Even though they were a wild-card team which realistically has a record of performing performing internationally, they showed they could go toe to toe with all of the teams barring SKT. Not only that, but it was their wins vs said teams which kept one of them (TSM) out of a #1 seed.

SciFi Scrivener2 votes

No disrespect to GAM, the knockout stage is limited to four teams so I took place 2-5. I think the best tourny to watch this weekend would be G2, TSM, FW, and GAM. That would be exciting and each series would be epic.

Miror B2 votes

See, for me the best part of MSI was the play-in stages, only because there we truly saw equal teams competing against eachother in pretty high-quality matches. Dire wolves v canids on day 3 remains one of if not the greatest match of 2017 so far, and the crowd made the event feel so much more important even if they weren't actually playing for anything huge (prize-wise at least).

Dr Poro3 votes

I think GAM is a great IWC, but I doubt they'd perform as well in a bo5. Yes, TSM struggled against them, but they did win and I think GAM is just a bit below the other 4.

Miror B2 votes

That being said, if I'm a team like CLG then I'm calling them up/scrimming with them. While they would theoretically be "terrible" in a bo5, their hyper-aggressiveness is something that few teams are able to "deal with". Oh, and they took TSM to 5 games (having a giant lead in 4 of those). Considering FW and G2 finished with similar records and GAM had more "Scrim time" by playing 11 more games than those teams, I'd take them over all but SKT in a bo5.

King Jord2 votes

same GAM showed that this move to all regions participating in msi was a good move and will showcase the differant playstyles and metas rather than the normal premier regions

Terabyte Marine2 votes

I honestly feel like teams like GAM and ANX aren't really there competitively to go toe to toe with all the high caliber teams, but they make up for it by knowing how to shake up the meta. GAM proved that fact over and over by failing multiple plans, yet just overwhelming their opponents with so many coordinated early moves. I think when GAM ran out of ideas to shake up their opponents that that's when they lose. ANX on the other hand was half because they did off-meta picks and half because they had their own macro style with weird combos that just kind of threw off their opponents at champ select. So yes, while I do agree that GAM and the like may not be the same comparatively, there is still something to be learned by the international odd-meta style.

Eleshakai6 votes

Ugh now I can't root for CLG anymore. That sucks.

I agree with you, to be honest. Even if TSM had been in it, it would've been hard for me to drum up interest in watching it live. I will watch any game that I see SKT lose in, but I find most of SKTs games to be a lot like watching a professional martial artist beat a small child who is crying in the corner begging for them to stop. There's no challenge, and any time an opening looks like it exists, it's probably just them being toyed with...

Nog Nog Nog1 votes

You're bummed they lost this guy?

Eleshakai5 votes

Nope. I just think Dardoch is an arrogant, obnoxious, toxic sack of fecal matter and I will never support a team stupid enough to give him the opportunity to play.

coeurloyal3 votes

I think the tournament actually just ended for a lot of us. There really isn't much intrigue left; FW will continue to be a question mark, G2 will continue to win games they would have absolutely lost to better teams, and WE will get outclassed by SKT. It feels like the West just took a huge step back following Origen/ FNC's semis berth and never really rebounded (other than TSM @ Worlds, who choked under pressure). Makes it really hard to want to watch any further until one of our teams makes a significant change in the right direction.

korean dog1 votes

The east still is the majority of the worlds population so I bet there will still be a lot of views and frenzy not to mention there are a lot of bandwagon skt fans in the west. I think what you are meant to say is for a lot of NA fans the tournament ended but not for a lot of others and neutrals like me. And WE have shown to be a world class team alongside SKT and have been pretty even with them with the games they played so you cant say they are outclassed.

coeurloyal4 votes

By posting on the NA boards, I'm addressing the NA population--which is dominantly composed of NA fans. So yes, for a lot of us the tournament just ended.

Also, I think most analysts will agree with me that WE looked fairly outclassed by SKT in the group stage. They had quite a bit of trouble with their mid-game decision making (much like the rest of the non-SKT teams), and in both of their matches WE had a pretty heavy skill match-up deficiency in their side lanes. That SKT fed a Lucian 2 lane kills in what looks like a bad matchup on paper doesn't really make a strong case for WE from a consistency standpoint. Yes, WE showed that they were clearly better than the rest of the pack-- but the rest of the pack looked awful. I can definitely say they seem outclassed because we have very little evidence to support the contrary.

This tournament--more than any other--looks incredibly lopsided. None of the non-Korean teams were playing with the consistency and decision making that were displayed at Worlds or last MSI. Each team showed flashes of brilliance (WE in particular showing more than the rest by a fair margin), but NA fans have a right to be bitter about this tournament because it legitimately looks like none of the bottom four teams deserved to advance. This tournament has been a fiesta almost all the way through, and while our expectations of NA were low for this tournament I expect a lot more from the teams that should be outclassing them. For the 3-6 seeds, the group stage was a roll of the dice in all the worst ways.

King Jord2 votes

Im going for china they can beat skt

peppermintpig6 votes

i will never want skt out of the tournament, even if they are the most dominant. who doesnt want to see the greatest league of legends of all time being played? the fiesta that comes out in many of the other matches is super boring to me. long games where both teams are running around with their dicks in their hands. not exciting at all. watching the koreans will never be boring because of the incredible and calculated outplays in almost every game. skt #1 baby.

SciFi Scrivener1 votes

I agree with you that I want to see the best LoL game play. I only wish that it was by both teams on the rift and not just one. When only one team is playing at that level, there is no competition to watch. I might as well go play beginner bot matches, it would be just as entertaining.

Kirius Dark4 votes

Then it's up to all the other teams to step up and get better rather than have everyone want SKT to get knocked down to play at the average pro level like everyone else in this thread wants. All the other teams have had 3 years to learn and get to SKT level and have failed to do so.

SciFi Scrivener1 votes

I agree. I'm still too new to the game to have an informed opinion on this, but it seams like Riot needs to do something to level the playing field. I would prefer to see it leveled at SKT skill level, but not sure how to do that.

Maybe open the door to allow more imports to play in the other regions? Maybe have regions send "all star teams"? Maybe eliminate the "best of #" format and stick to single games?

Again, not sure of the way, but they need closer competition if they expect to keep viewers. Look at the NFL. The NE Patriots have been dominating for over a decade, but on any given Sunday, they can be beaten. Any team can win each game. That is exciting.

III BAKURYU III 1 votes
  • " Maybe open the door to allow more imports to play in the other regions"? I mean maybe but NA in itself has had import after import alone and unless those imports are on TSM/C9/CLG they don't even make to Worlds(LMQ exception full LPL players). Look at Reignover and Huni for example great EU players comes to NA and on indeed a much worse team compared to what FNatic were but still didn't even get 3rd for Worlds just eliminated in 2nd round 2 splits in a row. Not to mention NA is pretty much like 70% imports already and is the blunt of jokes and memes already. If say NA won Worlds and 2-3 out of the 5 players were say Korean, the community wouldn't think of it as a NA Worlds but " Korea won it for you" Worlds instead.

    " Send All- Star teams" Talking about Worlds preferably ? How would LCS be conducted, even with teams actual teams that have been together a full year or two and have built communication up during that time still haven't made a dent in the upper tier teams, would would ALL-star teams do?
    Bad example for still an example either way. Back in 2013-14 or so NA had Dyrus, Saint, Scarra, D-Lift and Xpecial at some MSI type of tournament I can't remember correctly but it didn't turn out so good for NA then; when I personally think the Korean - NA gap wasn't as bad as it is now. As well as I don't remember the NA All-Star team being that good at All-Stars even tho that's a worse example.

" Maybe eliminate the "best of #" format and stick to single games"?

  • Maybe it is the only way for the upper teams to be eliminated, I mean look at Flash Wolves they tend to beat SKT every so often in the single games, beaten them 4-5 times in the past 2 years, so maybe BO1 is the right answer, but not very interesting or enjoyable for my taste personally, but if it brings viewers and old fans back after leaving because of the boring factor of knowing who wins 24/7 than I'm all for it.

The NFL thing is interesting but still makes it for the upper teams to still win. SKT best team and has been for some time now - NE Patriots best team and same thing for them. They tend to lose 1-2 games every so often but even in what we both may think is the best way to eliminate the higher tier teams BO1's we also have to look at what NE tends to do in Best of one's in the playoffs and that's pretty much win those each year as well.

SciFi Scrivener1 votes

Just to put it in perspective:

Patriots dominating the NFL = 16 seasons - 7 super bowls with 5 victories. That means they are in less than half the super bowls and win barely more than half of the ones they are in. Also, the 2007 NE Patriots were undefeated in the regular season and still lost to the NYG in the superbowl.

SKY dominating LOL = 4 seasons - 3 finals and 3 victories. Big difference in terms of dominance.

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

Indeed, even tho if a team can eliminate SKT in groups or playoffs teams would need to realistically need to eliminate 3 Korean teams to win the trophy in which in a sense is close to impossible considering in the past 3 years all 3 each year's LCK teams have advanced to the Playoffs of Worlds, in which OMG back in 2014 were the only team to do so not named LCK themselves, maybe also RNG can't remember that far back.

SKT standpoint of dominance no doubt compared to say NE but that goes into the whole point I made about just overall of the following LCK teams as most people think of SKT/Korea and vice versa. If say Samsung or KT won Worlds would it really be a breath for fresh air ? 1st year NE/Brady(Faker) when he still had Bledsoe or so with him. 2nd year NE 9-7 2nd in the division didn't make playoffs. 3rd year won Superbowl

During the next 13 years, 1 he was hurt and NE suffered from so. Next 12 years = 5 Superbowl/9 Conference appearances in which stated before if SKT were to be eliminated in which realistically would only be in the Playoff format would most likely be in the Semi-Finals by a Korean team and another Korean team will most likely be facing off against an EU/NA team in which they never seem to have a problem in the past couple of years, how much of a breath of fresh air would it really be if say SKT wouldn't win Worlds but just another Korean team ? That was my topic is all.

Eleshakai3 votes

I really just want Worlds to not be a series of dominant stomps... I want even matches throughout..

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

Well stay tuned because I for one actually believe MSI should be a fun series between FW and SKT in which I'm picking FW to win. Hopefully! As well as I honestly believe Korea won't win as much this year at Worlds as well as there being more competitive games at this up coming year.
WHY you might say, because I'll most likely miss the whole damn tournament and you always miss shitt whenever you're not there right, as I embark on my journey for 4+ years in the military as I will most likely be building a damn wall or some shit.

Eleshakai2 votes

As far as MSI goes, I'm just going to check the game results. If the series look even, I'll watch, if not I won't. (ie. if SKT loses some games, I'll watch them)

I'll probably watch the first few days of Worlds this year, if it looks stompy then I'll just tune out and go back and cherrypick games that look interesting.

III BAKURYU III 2 votes

That's the spirit.

Eleshakai2 votes

That doesn't change the fact that it is extremely boring to watch one team stomp another in a one-sided slaughter where the one team doesn't even stand a chance. Nobody's saying SKT is undeserving, just that them being so dominant makes for an absurdly boring tournament to watch.

Kirius Dark2 votes

I like it. In fact I like the SKT games more than any other game because it showcases what new levels these guys can bring the champs to, whether with unseen comps, rotations, items whatever. They're clearly doing stuff no other team is while the rest try to play the same old without adapting properly to the team they're facing so they get smashed

Eleshakai2 votes

But... I can do the same stuff against bots. Hell, I can have even MORE dominant games. Why not just show those if all you want to see is absolute dominance? I've had like 55 kill killing streaks as Eve in a bot game. Surely that'd be the most amazing thing for you then.

Kirius Dark2 votes

AKA you see a kill as a kill and nothing matters more than just the scoreboard

Triplea6571 votes

Actually they have for the most part (at least Korean and Chinese teams), but the problem is SKT is getting better faster than the western teams.

Triplea6572 votes

Then boy do I have a match for you! SKT vs ROX tigers at worlds 2016. Probably the greatest best of 5 ever played.

SciFi Scrivener1 votes

Agreed. I haven't watched as much as many others, but that series was AWESOME!

Kairu7774 votes

Was a sad thing to see TSM eliminated, but wasn't near as disappointing as I would have thought because really it seemed like anything could happen with those bottom 4 teams. Was a thrill to watch until the end. My question though is how did G2 solidify themselves as the 3rd semi-finalist once FW beat GAM? I missed the analysis portions around that part.

RiotMean Mister Kien5 votes

In a 3 way tie, it looks at head to head scores against each other. G2 was 3-1 overall against FW and TSM, so they automatically advanced.

Dr Poro3 votes

But in that regard, isn't 2-2 > 1-3?

edit: I guess Paquay already answered that.

Paquay5 votes

And to clarify on Kien's comment, once G2 was made the 3rd seed due to the tiebreaking procedures, you do not use that same tiebreaking procedures to determine 4th and 5th. Since G2 was seeded 3rd, it now becomes a head-to-head tie between TSM and FW. They were 1-1 against each other, hence the playoff.

Eleshakai4 votes

I've said this elsewhere... but TSM seems to have two big problems:

  1. Their preparation is missing SOMETHING. Not sure what exactly... but whatever it is, it's big. And it's costing them a lot of game 1s... which in group stage is just a 'lot of games'.

  2. They fail to understand the importance of maintaining map presence. They've had way too many 'lets all recall' moments that have led to enemy teams getting uncontestable objectives. Two barons in this event alone.

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