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Update on roster for Week 6 for Team Liquid

Liquid LiQuiD112··3 votes·939 views
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Hey guys,

We've been underperforming in LCS. I've been getting involved (took a break while I focused on the business, sales, marketing and other aspects of the company). Started off by doing tryouts last week, we came to the conclusion unanimously with all coaching staff and players that we would start this weekend with Piglet Mid and Youngbin ADC. Working out better than previous. We will see how we do this weekend and start preparing for what the team will be like near the end of the split. Also filmed a video and put on our fb page to explain everything.

For any TL fans out there, thanks for sticking with us even when it's sometimes hard through the losses.

Steve

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byakugan1232 votes

piglet mid????

Smart Kitty1 votes

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piglet mid????

He actually played mid in soloq quite frequently, if I remember right. I'm actually not too surprised to see this.

Miror B1 votes

Upon seeing the potential roster moves they could have made, I thought they could potentially beat out the likes of NV (the TDK lives on!) echo fox (who despite having a surprising breakout performance by akaadian should still finish in the 7-8 spots) and dignitas (oh how I pity thee). Now that their roster has been settled, I'm a bit scared for them. This is a team that has had 9 different mid/adc subs on their main roster in the past 2 splits (fenix, fabby, jynthe, youngbin, goldenglue, arcsecond, link, and now piglet for both mid and adc) and yet despite being in the league longer than most of the teams combined (if you wanna include dignitas into the "new" category) still can't figure out a way to build a quality roster. In a way, TL has become the league equivalent of the cleveland browns: as much as they try to hype up their roster and add in high-profile acquisitions (in a way, reignover and RG3 are eerily similar if you count the fact that they had one ridiculously good MVP-calibur year) they continue to disappoint their fans by throwing away splits and losing to worse teams than them. As someone who was a fan of this roster going into 2017 and has been a fan of their cs:go one for a while, decisions like these are kinda worrisome yet oddly enough set the trend for what has become "stereotypical" TL splits. Unlike their cs:go team which has had pretty decent success and looks to have a quality coaching/management staff, the lol version has become a parady of themselves.

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

" I've been getting involved ( took a break while I focused on the business, sales, marketing and other aspects of the company".

  • How the hell do you not notice your team blows in the first place while doing the other things like
  1. Business - again, how could not see the business side of things without seeing your team and their standings?
  2. Sales - NOT a real QUOTE - fans won't buy or merchandise but I don't understand why -Steve Ah, because they suck and no one wants to support bad teams that aren't bad as far as performance goes alone but with how the players don't act like a team but instead 5 wissy fits with bad attitudes.
  3. Marketing - same thing with sales.

" I've been getting involved" - Ok, so what the hell were you doing before ( sales, marketing etc) ?
Line up, player movements? If it takes someone who owns the team to do these things you have a garbage board team dude.
It's like the owner of Burger King having to sweep the bathrooms because you found out no one was doing it to begin with, but as the owner you didn't notice.
It's called check up! Doesn't take 5-6 weeks into something to notice the little things.

Ale non è male1 votes

This move is the result of nonsense decision making, imho The only reason to go through Goldenglue bet at the start of the season, was because TL was trying an unconventional approach in building the roster. Given how NA mid lane scene is import stacked, and that most of the mid lane imports end up having no real impact and not help teams having success because they lose to better imports anyway, they went for taking a below average but NA resident mid laner, betting on the fact that their imports in other positions could beat in a bigger fashion their NA competition than what enemy mid laners could beat GG.

GG wasn't even that terrible, so their idea could work, but their imports failed to do what TL management expected them to do for their approach to work. At that point, if you decide to return to a "traditional" approach and bench GG, it make 0 sense to switch Piglet to mid lane, you should rather bench him and get a proper mid lane import while finding a NA ADC replacement for him (Reignover wasn't good either, but he was better than Piglet at least)

Miror B1 votes

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This move is the result of nonsense decision making, imho The only reason to go through Goldenglue bet at the start of the season, was because TL was trying an unconventional approach in building the roster. Given how NA mid lane scene is import stacked, and that most of the mid lane imports end up having no real impact and not help teams having success because they lose to better imports anyway, they went for taking a below average but NA resident mid laner, betting on the fact that their imports in other positions could beat in a bigger fashion their NA competition than what enemy mid laners could beat GG.

GG wasn't even that terrible, so their idea could work, but their imports failed to do what TL management expected them to do for their approach to work. At that point, if you decide to return to a "traditional" approach and bench GG, it make 0 sense to switch Piglet to mid lane, you should rather bench him and get a proper mid lane import while finding a NA ADC replacement for him (Reignover wasn't good either, but he was better than Piglet at least)

Gonna just combine both my responses to this and to bakuryu's utter nonsense in the same post.

While the idea for this team could've worked (hence why I rated it so highly to start the season), it hinged on 1 giant factor which I think is the reason they're shirking 99% of the blame for their record onto goldenglue despite the fact that he didn't actually do that terribly, the giant factor being a hyper-aggressive midlane. Look at the past history of players like reignover/piglet, and it has sorta gone like this: have a hyper-aggressive midlaner who can force withstand ganks and do great (febi, fenix for the first year or so), have a slightly more passive mid-laner and do ok but not great (pobelter in summer). Although this team had quality pieces around them (I still think reignover could be a top-2 western jg if he was on the right team), their lack of an agro mid-lane forced the rest of the pieces to act reactively instead of proactively. I still don't get why exactly they're so fascinated with catering to piglet so much (he isn't like Tom Brady who can turn any team into a world champion), but hey, it's TL, we should be used to it by now.

To answer bakuryu's thing, I'll link an article below which should kinda tell you all you need to know about the rest of TL right now. To sum it up though, they had to replace a top-tier player that was on their team for a while a little over a week before a major tournament. Can't really blame the owner for not making a roster change prior to the iem break, can blame the rest of their NRG-esque management though.

http://www.thescoreesports.com/csgo/news/13109-hiko-leaves-team-liquid-will-stand-in-for-optic-gaming

Ale non è male2 votes

Well, Goldenglue could eventually be the Pobelter, but the problem is still that they expected far more from Koreans, especially from Reignover. Reignover after a bad start has gotten better, but he is simply not performing as well as he has done in the past 2 seasons in this carry oriented meta in jungle. NA junglers level has gotten higher (especially because no one expected Akadiaan and Moon guided by Hai performances), so he doesn't make that much of a difference, he has been average so far which is literally the worst case possible scenario for TL (he is too good to get replaced, not good enough to make their startegy work). Piglet isn't performing as well as he should in a weakened ADC scene among NA resident (Double is gone and while Arrow make up for it on overall level, he take an import slot as well so in the general strategy TL should still get the "import advantage" on midlane for their strategy), but he is more repleceable since ADC is the most plug and play role around

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