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Best and worst from the Groups stage

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Earlier this month, we ran down our list of the Top 20 players to watch at Worlds. But not all respond to the lights and eyes of the Worlds stage in the same way. Some of these players have risen above, while others have not yet hit their stride. Let's take a look at who's playing out of their mind, and who needs to start showing up if they hope to keep their Summoner's Cup dreams alive.

Most Impressive

Imp - Samsung White While Imp has a propensity for risky plays, questionable decision-making, and aggressive team-fight positioning, none of that has mattered because of his near-perfect mechanical play. (And, of course, there's the fact that he plays with the best support in the World, Mata). Nevertheless, he's looking much better now than he did throughout OGN Champions. The question before us now is whether Imp is hot, or if he's just benefiting from the relative weakness in his Groups opponents. GorillA - NaJin White Shield Simply put, GorillA is responsible for most of NaJin White Shield's wins last week. While top, mid, and jungle garnered most of the bans throughout the tournament so far, few teams have been singling out any support other than Zilean. However, GorillA has finally begun to draw Thresh bans because of his prowess on the champion. In several games, it was GorillA's playmaking that set up Shield's initiation. On top of that, his roaming in the early game, not to mention great vision control, has led to his team getting ahead. Uzi - Star Horn Royal Club Like Imp, Uzi is a high-risk ADC who only has one mode--GO IN! But that fact isn't coming back to bite Star Horn Royal Club yet. Even in Royal Club's loss to TSM, Uzi looked extremely solid in his decision-making and positioning -- something that other ADCs have struggled with at times. Gogoing - OMG In a Worlds meta where top laners have struggled, Gogoing has been consistent throughout. Despite being camped repeatedly and being subjected to heavy pressure, he's still managed to scale up on late-game champions like Ryze and output heavy damage in team fights. Perhaps even more than Cool, Gogoing has been the most important player on OMG -- performing even while being targeted in champion select.

Needs Improvement

Dade - Samsung Blue Let's just get this one out of the way. Yes, Dade remains one of the best mid laners in the world. But thus far, he has given us very little evidence to justify our naming him the best player at Worlds in our Top 20 list. He has been outplayed in several duels (most notably against Fnatic's xPeke), and had really bad decision-making in their one loss. Even in Blue's wins, he has not carried nearly as hard as Cool, Ggoong, or even Bjergsen. Dade will have to refine his mechanical play and his decision-making if he hopes to carry his team past Cloud9 in the Quarterfinals. Hai - Cloud9 ...that is, so long as Hai manages to show up as well. Hai has been instrumental in Cloud9's success. It is his shot-calling that has led Cloud9 to the Quarterfinals. So why is he on this list? His champion pool. Thus far, Hai has only looked good on Zed and Syndra -- and Cloud9 has shown they aren't willing to pick Zed into Zilean. As such, Cloud9's champion select phase has become a huge thorn for the team. When his two champions weren't available, Hai defaulted to Talon; it was ugly. Hai will need to find his feet on another champion, such as Orianna or Ahri, if Cloud9 hopes to get past Samsung Blue. NaMei - Edward Gaming In NaMei's defense, he went into and made it through the Taiwan Group stage while being extremely sick. Though we can presume, we're still waiting to see if it was that illness that had the team-fighting god playing well below his station--or if it was just the Worlds stage jitters. Either way, NaMei needs to perform in the Quarterfinals to show why he carried teams to three straight LPL titles. While Star Horn Royal Club looked like the better team, largely behind the play of Uzi, it is NaMei and EDG who has repeatedly gotten the better of Royal. NaMei will need to improve upon both his laning phase and his team-fighting if his team is to make it to the Semifinals.

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71 Comments

xayahs bich60 votes

I hate to say it... I mean I REALLY hate to say it...... But Hai.... It's time.... It's time, to Teemo

warpedmind7 votes

i also think hai is beginning to be the weakest link in c9's armor. i know they have good syngergy but c9 should consider benching him

Cryovix28 votes

have to disagree, why would u bench your shot caller when he has helped u get to the point that they are at

darklingsshadow5 votes

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Plotarxis25 votes

Reginald stepped down, just in case you didn't know, he's the owner of TSM. It was by choice. Xpecial on the other hand was benched because of his attitude.

Jaegybomb7 votes

Hai might be the weakest member mechanically, but more than anyone else on that team, he is the secret to their success.

Derpus the Fifth4 votes

I wouldn't even say he's the weakest mechanical player. IMO Lemonation is the weakest player mechanically on C9, he just brings a shitload to the team in his game knowledge.

SoSBoneSlinger1 votes

those dark binding's tho?

SoSBoneSlinger1 votes

not really, did you see his zed play against white? his mechanic's are on point, but i think he jumps the gun a little bit. being the shot caller will do that. you know the call you want to make before anyone else.

Ulthax7 votes

Hai is huge for C9 in terms of shotcalling, but I definitely agree he's the weakest link in C9. I think either he needs to bolster his mechanics (and champion pool, obviously) or else the rest of C9 will just have to find a new shotcaller, whether it's one of them or a new midlaner.

SoSBoneSlinger2 votes

his champ pool is more the problem then his mechanics. the reason i say this is he shows exceptional skill and strategy on the champions he is proficient with, however, if you rock him out of his comfort zone, either by nerfing a champ out of the meta, or flat out banning him out, his shot calling and strategy seems to suffer. the only way i see cloud 9 benching hai is if his game play stagnates and cloud 9's strategies become obsolete, dropping them to bottom tier NA . however in their game-play vs shield (the first game, because the second showed his weak champ pool) they showed strategies that caught white off guard. pushing multiple lanes while trying to force the baron was GENIUS, and is more of what cloud nine needs to do against a Korean slug fest team who's sole goal is to out team fight you with pure aggression. they need to play smart, not team fight hard, and they can definitely win worlds.

Ssataniko6 votes

Never EVER listen to advice from an EU fan about anyone/anything related to NA. Stick to your own piece-of-trash EU teams. HAI is C9's primary shotcaller and strategists (along w/ Meteos and Lemon) and he not only routinely defeats opposing mids (including overhyped Bjergsen) but completely out-smarts entire teams. Noobs and morons spend way too much time looking at KDA and meaningless Pentas and ignoring the end result...Wins!

darkarcon13974 votes

And TSM won that. They became first in NA for a reason, so Hai is not perfect.

TooPrettyToDie5 votes

Lol what? Who said anything about Hai being perfect? The fact is, he is a top tier mid laner in NA who also happens to be the best shot caller in NA. And yes, they lost to TSM in a very close 3-2 match. But it wasn't like Hai was holding them back lol. The question is, who do you replace Hai with? No one. No one is fit to replace him

I Am Magician3 votes

TSM is 3-8 against Cloud 9 in NA playoffs for a reason too. In the weakest group they came out with the same record with SK missing a player for the first game and beating them the 2nd time around. Imho TSM wouldn't of made it out if Svenskeren wasn't a toxic POS. I guess we'll see who puts up a challenge for Samsung White and Blue to see who is more relevant.

paperball1 votes

The only reason C9 made of group is the shot calling from Hai.

DCZephyros5 votes

I believe that to be unfair. Hai is instrumental to their success but not the only reason the team finds success we've seen every member show up big at some point or another.

I Am Magician2 votes

I'll second DC's opinion here. If they were missing the shotcalling it wouldn't of worked but it's not the sole reason, you can't miss any cog for the machine to work properly.

Amravanti16 votes

At various points in C9's career everyone of them has seemed to be the weak link. Most recently in the LCS LemonNation was getting caught out a lot, there was a period early this year where people were doubting Meteos due to meta changes in the jungle and his champion pool suffering (the nerfs to Kha really hurt him). Early in C9's career Sneaky was considered too passive/unimpactful an ADC. Balls is pretty much the only one who has never been called the C9's weaklink.

I think the reason C9 remains as good as they are is that they don't bench. They have a lot of faith and trust in each other to know when they aren't pulling their own weight, and work on changing that. I hope they don't bench anyone, because it's really refreshing to see a team that doesn't cycle out players everyday in favour of the korean/EU/Challenger flavour of the week.

killingu651 votes

balls was considered the weak link when cloud nines very first split occurred like he was horrible balls was ione of those players like sneaky who needed to get there lcs feet under them stop the nervousness of cometeig on a big stage abd ust dio their thing now look at them theyre the two main anchors along with lemonation that hold meteos excellent uncanny reads and decisions and hai shotcalling posty ten to fifteen minutes that holds the team together

TheMateotis7 votes

"that doesn't cycle out players everyday in favour of the korean/EU/Challenger flavour of the week." cough TSM cough CLG* cough*

Eviant1 votes

Dignatas also seems to stick together pretty well (Though, they have had a couple changeups)

SeasonIXGG5 votes

I think c9 may have like a 5% chance to beat blue with the element of surprise. so hai really take the teemo out or some odd pick. GO C9 beat blue plz, get that fuking cocky dade.

Dd LiLBoss5 votes

5%? I would say that they have atleast 20% of taking victory in every game they play with blue. that is to say that is still harsh that they have 2 games of winning in every 10 games they play. But still its still a glimmer of hope. I would say though that Tsm has a higher chance of snatching victory on white than c9 on blue, if TSM is able to clean they're act (throwing in SK game and really poor laning phase in bottom lane for majority of their games) then they will have a 35% chance of winning each game, if not il give them a 25% at max)

TooPrettyToDie1 votes

He means 5% chance of beating blue in a best of 5 series. I hope they can win a game.

I Am Magician3 votes

Not sure how you give TSM an edge when they came out with the same record in the weakest group. The things you stated that they need to clean up are not going to magically happen, they are much less likely to pull through. I'm not saying 0% here but TSM against White would be a bigger upset then C9 against Blue (even though TSM beat C9 this time around in NA). C9 has been more impressive so far in group stage taking one from NWS and forcing that tie-breaker plus beating alliance (even though they both took a game).

0range45613 votes

If Teemo beats the Koreans i think the internet will explode

SurfingViolinist1 votes

Agreed. He owned TSM so bad in the spring split. I hate Teemo, but, this would be the one time I could root for the rat.

Jathiel7 votes

I am really sick of people saying they should replace Hai. Yes, his mechanics and champion pool need to improve, but his shot-calling is absolutely impeccable. Watching C9's last 2 games vs. NWS, and it was their strategy that kept them in those games at all. Part of what is amazing about C9 is that they have kept the same roster for such a long time, if a player has an issue, they work through it. C9 has the best synergy out of any team in NA, and perhaps some of the best synergy worldwide.

I really hope Hai can improve on his issues, but he should not be replaced.

Note: I am not saying someone should be immune to being benched, but Hai's performances have not been poor enough to warrant getting benched. Not when you take into account his role on the team.

Meanie406 votes

C9 will take a game from Blue, which is more than TSM will be able to do.

NeoDeimos8 votes

It's certainly possible TSM can take a game from White. If you look at how TSM did in the NA playoffs, in each series they lost the 1st game, then won game 2. Even against Royal Club, they lost their first match, and won the second. This shows that TSM clearly knows how to adapt between games; they tend to get stronger as the series goes on. The key is, will they adapt enough against White?

I have almost no hope of TSM winning game 1. Game 2 is the key, mainly because TSM will be on blue side, and they'll be able to adjust to Game 1 mistakes. If TSM loses Game 2, they'll get swept 0-3; but if they win, they'll be 1-2, going back on blue side in Game 4.

Stat of the Day: Since the start of the NA playoffs, TSM is 10-1 on blue side, their only loss being in the very first game, due to Zion's split-push/back-door Nasus.

...Yes, I do believe blue side is a big advantage.

DeynaTaggerung1 votes

The thing is that I think they have a better chance in Game 1 because White just came from a group that was fairly easy. It's possible they may not come in playing quite as hard as otherwise. I think the element of surprise may work really well for TSM so I'd say Game 1 is more important and even if they lose it just if they can put White off balance so they can as you say take Game 2.

Ssataniko6 votes

This writer routinely favors EU and just as routinely finds any possible reason to downgrade or ignore specifically C9 (and he actually mentions "Bjergsen as carrying harder than DADE, which is patently ridiculous). Last I saw Dade he was something like 10-2. Meanwhile, HAI's champion pool is much larger than Syndra/Zed, and while the 2 picks of Talon were horribly ill-advised (and possibly just arrogance derived from Solo Q success) it in no way relates to Hai's mid-lane skill. After all, he led his team out of the 2nd hardest group at Worlds becoming the first NA team to ever defeat a Korean team at Worlds, and sent over-hyped and arrogant Alliance packing.

Mrs Void6 votes

"Best and Worst of Worlds" Picture of Imp on the front

Yep, I think we're good. Best and worst in one picture. Pack up, boys and girls, we're done here.

iHUfdCT2795 votes

I think i will be another epic TSM vs C9 again

finallylupus5 votes

It seems like they are only talking about teams that advanced to the knockout stage.

If they were to give a "Most Improved" award, it would have to go to Kabum! eSports. Kabum is the reason why those wildcard spots are necessary. They learned so much over the course of the group stages, culminating in their stomp of Alliance. Kabum eSports, most improved team. They deserve a trophy for that.

FireGrass4 votes

Gogoing over Balls?

The Great Shmoop4 votes

no rekkles? sure fnatic got knocked out but they did have some really impressive matches. most notably fnatic vs SSB game 1. the only team to beat either of the samsungs thus far. I think rekkles deserves a "most impressive" because even in matches fnatic lost he showed up consistently. and in both the games they won he went out of control on Lucian (8/1/5 vs SSB) (18/0/4 with pentakill vs LMQ) and I agree with the dade disappointment so far. he was massively outplayed by xpeke. but instead of giving dade trash about it you could perhaps give some credit to xpeke for once? :D

NeoDeimos11 votes

Correct, no Rekkles. Just because he showed up in some games doesn't mean he was "impressive" throughout.

Exhibit A: Fnatic's 1st game vs LMQ. Rekkles attempted to splitpush as Tristana, as the rest of the team were losing 4v5s. The bad part for Fnatic? His splitpush didn't get the job done, as he never got down a single inner turret, much less an inhib turret (the only inner turret they got was mid, and that was a team effort). Essentially, Rekkles contracted a serious case of DoubleLift Syndrome... worrying too much about his own farm to care about actually winning the game. He never grouped with the team until the superminions were already attacking Nexus turrets; clearly FAR too late to win against an aggressive team like LMQ that won't let you sit and farm til late game.

Fabke3 votes

No mention of Mata and Dandy when they did 10 times better than Imp?

No mention of Deft with 45% of this team DMG dealt to champions over the course of 6 games?

The Smooth Dr J1 votes

Deft doing 45% of his teams damage was due to the weakness of his team mates currently. Imps team didnt lose a single game in groups, (it may have been easy but still) and Imp was Instrumental in Whites wins, Mata is a badass and dandy is fantastic, but Imp was vital in all his wins, and is arguably the best adc in the whole world.

Eleshakai3 votes

So there wasn't a single player from NA, EU, or the Wildcards that impressed you? You sound like montecristo...

SinatraZ3 votes

I hate montecristo hes so arrogant. Think he know everything. He was a bad player back then and a bad coach now.

DirtyDankMiyagi2 votes

Okay so I will have to disagree with everyone about hai being the weakest link. I agree that the games are decided when hai plays good or when hai plays bad but hai is definitely not the weakest link. I would argue he is their strongest link (inconsistent but without a doubt their strongest) C9 has many flaws that turn the game against them. The biggest ones would be champ select (when on red side) and hais champion pool. What hai needs to do is start playing ahri, morgana, ziggs. Now i know he plays ziggs and maybe you guys are questioning me when i say morgana but c9 a lot of times lacks a good engage and hai plays extremely aggressive i think if hai takes morgana mid (with hourglass) it will fit his aggressive team play style while providing utility in black shield and stuns. ( i dont think i need to explain the other two champions) but from what i seen c9 is very good. They just dont have a clear strat when they are on the red side. They need to change up the mid pick (and really stop playing talon into zed and try ahri into zed). The last thing that i would say c9 needs to fix is bots early game play. They seem to get pushed around when facing a high caliber team at bot. Bot needs to hold their own more consistently. I would argue that one of the games when hai pick talon bot lost them the game. They know meteos likes to heavy farm the jungle so bot needs to step up in lane phase. Other than what i said c9 is a great team if they could just find an answer for when zed is banned or when zilean is picked they should do fine. I dont think they are that much worse than blue or white. Its just white and blue are more consistent in their high level of gameplay. while c9 is really good or really bad. Never consistent.

I Am Magician1 votes

They should perma-ban Zilean It's just too much trouble for them and they don't play it well enough to pick it. I think they can figure out any other strong pick even if they wouldn't prefer to be against it. Zil just has C9's number and there's no reason to put themselves at that disadvantage IMO just ban him.

TBry2 votes

I really like Hai and i know he can show up really well I just feel like Hai needs to work on his champion pool. And i wish he would play a lot of Arhi because i think he would be a good Arhi. But i do think talon has the strength in his kit to be on the level at worlds. Also i would love to see him play Teemo, it would throw everyone off.

Kaxi2 votes

I'm so excited to see the KR-NA matches. From what I've seen, White-TSM and Blue-C9 are matches with teams that play very similarly. White is explosive from the get-go, something that TSM has been known for in their wins. Blue is tactically sound and focuses on the mid/late-game, something that C9 is known for. We're going to see the best from Korea and the best from North America fighting more-or-less the same styles in these games, and they're going to be awesome. While North America winning each series is a long shot, I can't imagine both Samsung teams going 3-0. Those chinks in the armor will grow into massive tears that can be exploited as each series goes on.

HiQualities2 votes

Bjergsen Best mid in the World!!!!

raymOOnd2 votes

Where is bjergesen on this list

Shen Daddy2 votes

I'm going to be honest. I think Wildturtle should be up here. He's dealt with the pressure of hyper-aggressive adc's w/o lane-swapping very well. His teamfight positioning is much improved and his KDA shows it. People came in discussing the importance of Dyrus and Bjergsen but I think that Wildturtle has been the biggest suprise/improvement for me.

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