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NA and EU will always stay behind Korea

EpikFeeder·10/12/2016, 9:03:16 AM·2 votes·770 views

The fact that they go do "Korean bootcamps" says it all. When will EU and NA finally realize that you arent going to beat Korea at their own "game". Instead of copying Korea, try innovating. An example is the SKT comp that had basically 3 adc's. And they crushed it. There is a reason Korea stays on top (besides the fact they play 23 hours a day)......they try new things and force others to adapt to them. "Oh shit Korea playing Nami9, better brush up on my Nami play". STOP. Find a pick that will shit on that Nami pick instead of trying to steal it away. Remember that remake game when Bjerg called bugs on Sol's orbs? TSM tries to steal Lee Sin from them in next champ select and they pick Hec and wreck them. STOP NA! Come with your own style. What you are trying to do is like trying to play poker against the person who taught you how to play....its NEVER going to work outside of random lucky spots. In the long run Korea will continue to take all NA and EU money until they force them to play a different style.

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MunchCrunchLunch10/12/2016, 9:20:48 AM1 votes

i think the deal why korea is better. it has nothing to do with league. but these moba style games. have been popular in korea. since they existed. everyone plays those games over there. they have their own similar games. its culture over there. people grow up with them. thats why they are better. they play so many games that are in the same skillset as league.

also. Korea is much smaller than US and EU. its much easier to find the needle in a small haystack then a giant one.

Remove Jungle10/12/2016, 9:28:37 AM1 votes

the gap is closing!!

grug10/12/2016, 9:36:45 AM1 votes

RTS games were/are pretty big in Korea ever since Starcraft and games like dota and lol were based on the RTS framework so most of the koreans already had a natural tendency towards it. I'm fairly certain every korean lol player has played/plays starcraft or some sort of RTS before league of legends.

There's also the mentality of the asian mindset whereas they value education above all else especially the older generation so if they plan on going pro they usually try to go for broke otherwise they'll be considered losers/disgraces by their families as average players. Apparently Faker is considered an uneducated letdown by family members iirc in one of those league drive videos whereas they basically shit on him for not going to higher education instead wasting his time playing kids games despite winning worlds.

the OGN also has players shifting in and out constantly out of the scene more than any other region so they have fresh faces rotating frequently so that could also be the reason why they innovate more with fresh players.

again, this is all anecdotal.

Could not care10/12/2016, 9:50:53 AM1 votes

Give NA 10 ping average and then we may talk about NA bootcamps. Until then, it is wise for pros to train in Korea.

As for picks/bans/teambuilding, you don't have a clue how those work. Not only there are OP picks, players' preference, teamplay choices and counterpicks, but there are also pick stealing, macro synergy and gameplan issues. Do you assume that coaches do jack s--t and still get $ for it? There is loads of analysis, planning and scrimming put into every pick, and although there are always multiple plans, the choices are fairly limited.

The main strengths of KR are adaptability and coordination. They come from multiple things joined together than NA doesn't excel at. It is true that generally KR grind a lot and don't get that tired while NA stream and relax after scrimms, but a lot comes from factors like same language, smaller egos, similar thinking and even low ping environment. Every region has its pros and cons, and if we're considering innovation, NA is is certainly one of the top regions to bring the unexpected into play.

Finally, OP picks are OP picks and you can't avoid picking and you can't counterpick them with situational champions. So, it makes a lot of sense to snatch the OP pick rather than take a counterpick that is useless for the plan of the game. That is not copying - there are just not many champions that are strong enough to build teams from.

III BAKURYU III 10/12/2016, 12:29:14 PM1 votes

I 100% agree with your topic.
Western teams/players WILL NEVER beat Korea at their own "game" if Korea WROTE the BOOK. Once NA finds ways to develop champions into their champion pools and team comps that they see Korea do, Korea is already 3-4 steps ahead at that point and their finding ways on how to beat that team comp THAT THEY CREATED!

I was really sad when I watched the Bjergsen and Parth video on Groups before Worlds started and they had hints of " well we lost but we gotta keep on keeping on" Like 0 confidence at all and for some reason they feared RNG-SSG and I suppose Splyce more than those teams should have feared TSM. Why RNG and SSG didn't fear TSM, because TSM is a NA team and they are 3-4 month Korean team comp while the Korean and Chinese teams have already found ways on winning against those "old" strategy team comps.

Immortals wasn't the best at their team strategy and micro and macro but they did their own "meta" besides the Lucain top Garbage they had the guts to do a different type of strategy instead of just typing in a Korean player's name and looking at their match history to see their champions last played.

NA WILL NEVER WIN WORLDS and WILL NEVER be a respected region EVER!!!!!!!!! Not unless 5 Korean players are on each NA team.
The NA talent isn't going UP people it's going DOWN, look at NA's next top players such as Rage Dardoch who might not even play as much as he should because he's constantly having these hissy fits and getting suspended.
Other players such as Big? KFC? Kiwikid? GREAT GREAT Talent NA has and how much longer does D-Lift, Bjergsen, Aphromoo, Froggen, Darshan, X-mithie, Svenskeren have left ? Most of these players were playing League back in 2013 when the official League scene was created and 1-2 years before that back in 2011.