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Power Rankings - 6/30/2015

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Editor's Note: Southeast Asia was originally omitted from this article but has been added. In addition, Turkey's movement in the week was originally omitted, but has also been added.

Sometimes I wonder if teams just get bored.

In traditional sports, a record for wins really means something, particularly in American Football where going undefeated has almost cult-like fanfaire around it. China is proving that teams don't seem to care about their records nearly as much their fans do. Maybe no team does, really.

So with that, the question on my mind is what "undefeated" really means. SKT remains one of the few teams to not drop a match in the world, though they have dropped two games. Qiao Gu has lost eight games over the course of the season, but still haven't lost a match. Even ahq now has lost two games, but still keep a lossless match record.

Though SKT's 18-2 record in the LCK is incredibly impressive, the only team that has yet to drop a game this season is Fnatic.

There are turbulent rankings in every region, so come take a peek at what's going on around the world this week...

KOREA

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  1. ( - ) SKTelecom T1 (9-0) [18-2]
  2. ( - ) KOO Tigers (6-3) [14-8]
  3. (+1) Jin Air Green Wings (6-3) [13-7]
  4. (-1) Najin e-mFire (6-3) [13-8]
  5. ( - ) CJ Entus (6-3) [13-9]
  6. ( - ) KT Rolster (5-4) [11-10]
  7. ( - ) Anarchy (3-6) [10-14]
  8. ( - ) Samsung (2-7) [7-14]
  9. ( - ) Incredible Miracle (2-7) [5-16]
  10. ( - ) SBENU Sonicboom (0-9) [2-18]

(Match Score) [Game Score]

Last week there was much internal debate about 2nd through 6th Place in the Korean Power Rankings. Records were identical, results were similar, form was about on par, and there hadn't been that many marquee games to compare the teams.

Most of that hasn't changed this week, but the stark difference between KT and the other teams is coming into view more clearly. In addition, Jin Air's win over Najin and best attempt at taking down SKT pushes them into the third spot.

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On the one hand, we have the parity of most of Korea, and on the other, we have a dominance from SKT that resembles their conquest of Champions Winter 2014.

As Korean panelist Alex Manisier pointed out, the last four teams that beat SKT are Fnatic, EDG, Samsung and Anarchy. Not many within Korea are likely to challenge them anytime soon.

Panel: Alex Manisier, Erik "DoA" Lonnquist, Christopher "MonteCristo" Mykles, Chris "PapaSmithy" Smith and Mike "Noctt" Huh

CHINA

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  1. (+1) Qiao Gu (4-0-8)
  2. (-1) Edward Gaming (5-2-6)
  3. ( - ) Snake (4-2-5)
  4. (+2) Vici Gaming (2-1-10)
  5. (-1) Invictus Gaming (5-4-2)
  6. (+1) LGD Gaming (2-3-8)
  7. (+1) Masters 3 (4-3-5)
  8. (-3) OMG (3-1-7)
  9. (+1) Royal Never Give Up (2-4-6)
  10. (+2) Unlimited Potential (1-4-7)
  11. (-2) Team King (1-5-6)
  12. (-1) Team WE (1-5-6)

Record format is (W-L-T)

It physically pains me to acknowledge that Qiao Gu is the team most likely to win games in the LPL right now. I should just add a huge disclaimor though -- none of us believe that EDG will not win China. Just right now they seem to care less about winning games than they do about getting Yang-hyun "BaeMe" Kang and Shek "AmazingJ" Wai Ho experience for the future. 

The difference between SKT and EDG is that SKT can still win with Jae-hyeon "T0M" Im and Ji-hoon "Easyhoon" Li, while EDG just seems to lose with their substitutes. Until they start to take things more seriously (and I can only hold it against them so much with 44 games), EDG is not the best team in China.

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As far as the rest of the league, Vici, LGD and Masters 3 continue to improve, while OMG and IG continue to look shadows of their former selves. While we're pleased teams in the LPL are improving, we need to see more wins over quality teams from Vici, LGD and M3 before they can consider themselves among the world's elite.

Panel: Barento "Raz" Mohammed, Michale "Drexxin" Lalor, Ryanne "Froskurrin" Mohr and Carlos "H0tsawce" Bravo.

NORTH AMERICA

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  1. (+1) Team SoloMid (8-2)
  2. (+3) Gravity (7-3)
  3. (-2) Counter Logic Gaming (7-3)
  4. (-2) Team Dignitas (7-3)
  5. (-1) Team Liquid (6-4)
  6. ( - ) Team Impulse (5-5)
  7. (+3) Team Dragon Knights (1-9)
  8. (-1)  Enemy Esports (3-7)
  9. (-1) Cloud9 (3-7)
  10. (-1) Team8 (3-7)

The list of people surprised by CLG's collapse against TSM is a total of zero people. However, it wasn't the same scenario of botched teamfights and epic tilt. TSM actually showed some teeth for the first time this season. 

The usual strategy of get ahead, stay ahead, and win late was not their modus operandi last weekend. Jang-sik "Lustboy" Ham and Lucas "Santorin" Larsen put on their carry pants and finally decided to make plays, which is something that most teams outside of Impulse have been lacking in North America.

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Gravity's recent wins were not that impressive, but still solid. When we look at their overall body of work, both in how they play their games and the opponents they've beaten and lost to, we have to say they are 2nd Place right now. 

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For those wondering about TDK, I think Andy "Smoothie" Ta said it best: "Our split starts now." The TDK that showed up and systematically dismantled Team Dignitas is a completely different squad that phoned in their first round robin. If TDK is able to play like that consistently, they will play spoiler to a lot of teams in the second half of the season.

Panel: Cameron Gilbert, Taylor "Riot RoboTayCo" Cocke, Jason "Riot Jayway" Wai, Joshua "Riot Jatt" Leesman, and Frank "Riot Mirhi" Fields.

EUROPE

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  1. ( - ) Fnatic (10-0)
  2. (+1) Origen (8-2)
  3. (-1) H2K (7-3)
  4. (+2) Giants Gaming (5-5)
  5. (+2) Elements (4-6)
  6. (+3) ROCCAT (4-6)
  7. (-3) Unicorns of Love (4-6)
  8. ( - ) SK Gaming (3-7)
  9. (-4) Gambit Gaming (3-7)
  10. ( - ) Copenhagen Wolves (2-8)

Just when we thought we knew what Europe was going to look like, it turns out Europe went full EU LCS. Elements and ROCCAT have shown strides of improvement over the past two weeks -- at least when compared to Gambit and Unicorns of Love.

Right after great weeks by UOL and GMB made us think they had returned to prominence, they suffered another crash back to reality. Both teams need to reevaluate how they are playing their games if they hope to make it into Playoffs.

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Meanwhile Fnatic has proven to be miles above their competion. While they've had some close scares, the games against H2K and Origen were not among them. What's most spectacular is that no one player is responsible for their success. Fnatic has one more real test in a few weeks when they have to play both Origen and H2K back to back. If they get through that unscathed, then they may really be immortal.

Panel: Taylor "Riot RoboTayCo" Cocke, Jason "Riot Jayway" Wai, and Frank "Riot Mirhi" Fields.

TAIWAN

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  1. ( - ) ahq e-Sports Club (8-0-2)
  2. ( - ) Flash Wolves (7-1-2)
  3. (+1) Hong Kong Esports (3-1-6)
  4. (+1) Machi Esports (2-4-4)
  5. (-1) Midnight Sun (3-3-4)
  6. (+1) Taipei Assassins (2-5-3)
  7. (-2) Assassin Sniper (2-6-2)
  8. ( - ) Logitech Snipers (0-7-3)

Record format is (W-L-T)

It's about time someone stepped up. After weeks of subjugation, HKE and Machi both managed to take a game off of ahq to give the pack leaders their first two losses of the season.

For HKE it marks a return to the form that had us believe they were among the best teamfighting squads in the world. For Machi, it shows that sometimes communication problems can prevent winning, as they've enjoyed much more success with a full domestic squad than a mixed nationality roster.

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In Spring, LMS looked like a four team league, but in the beginning of the Summer it seemed like ahq was going to run away with Taiwan like Fnatic was running away with Europe. Finally it seems the LMS has returned to its natural state, with an elite four teams to fill out the Playoff bracket.

Panel: James "Obscurica" Chen and Chia "Reazony" Yu.

BRAZIL

  1. (+1) INTZ e-Sports (5-1-0)
  2. (-1) Keyd Stars (5-1-0)
  3. ( - ) paIN Gaming (3-1-2)
  4. (+2) INTZ e-Sports Red (1-2-3)
  5. (-1) CNB e-Sports Club (1-3-2)
  6. (-1) g3nerationX (2-1-3)
  7. ( - ) KaBuM! Orange (1-4-1)
  8. ( - ) KaBuM! Black (0-3-3)

Record format is (W-L-T)

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INTZ e-Sports slides into the 1st Place spot this week with a 2-0 sweep of paiN Gaming; however, it was their sister team who made the most impact on the overall standings. INTZ Red's stunning 2-0 victory over Keyd Stars shed a lot of light on the flaws of the previously undefeated team. 

The fourth through sixth spots are all nebulous and subject to change, but Red currently occupies 4th Place due to their newfound team identity that is most succinctly described as "sheer audacity." They go when it's a good idea, they go when it's not such a good idea, and it works because they're all on the same page. Red has many weaknesses they'll have to shore up on should they make Playoffs, but they appear to have more confidence and synergy than other teams around them in the standings, which goes a long way.

Written by Emily Rand

Panel: Emily Rand

LATIN AMERICA

  1. ( - ) KLG (8-0)
  2. ( - ) Lyon Gaming (8-0)
  3. ( - ) Gaming Gaming (6-2)
  4. ( - ) Furious Gaming (6-2)
  5. (+1) Last Kings (5-3)
  6. (-1) Havoks Gaming (4-4)
  7. ( - ) Dash9 Gaming (4-4)
  8. ( - ) Rebirth eSports (2-6)

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The last week of the regular season is upon us in Latin America and this week the Playoffs will be defined when Lyon Gaming faces off against second place Gaming Gaming once again. Last time the GG Dragons were one step away from beating Lyon, but the current champions proved to be more than capable of closing out a game when the enemy team makes even the simplest of mistakes.

In the South it looks like nobody is even close to KLG’s level as the current LATAM champions maintain a dominant 8-0 in their region. This week they face tough competition when they go head to head against the Last Kings to determine who they’ll be competing against during the playoffs.

Finally, in the North we now know the two teams that’ll be facing relegation as both MYM and Revenge managed to only get a single victory each. This week though they face each other once more and if Revenge wins again they will be able to pick who they play against during the Promotion/Relegation series.

Written by Erick “Skyshock” Gonzalez

Panel: Erick "Skyshock" Gonzalez

JAPAN

  1. ( - ) Ozone Rampage (7-1)
  2. ( - ) DetonatioN FocusMe (6-2)
  3. ( - ) 7th Heaven (6-2)
  4. ( - ) RabbitFive (3-5)
  5. ( - ) Rascal Jester (2-6)
  6. ( - ) ApeX R Gaming (0-8)

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Double Header or not, this week went completely by the book. The top three teams went undefeated, and the bottom three teams lost two games each. And as such, our current top three have clinched playoffs.

It's now time to fight for seeding, and Rampage is in the hot-seat with both FM and 7h left to face. At this point, everyone but ApeX is in control of their own destiny. Both Rascal Jester and Rabbit Five can still claim 4th Place and avoid relegations, and any of the top three could still clinch 1st Place and a free trip to the Finals.

The big news going into next week, which could shake up the Power Rankings, is FocusMe's last-minute roster swap. Hwang has left, KazuXD has returned to his analyst position, and Rokenia has switched to Support. Filling his void will be Se Young “Procxin” Kim, formerly of Korea's MKZ. With only two weeks to go in the season, this could prove to be the shot in the arm FM needs to topple Rampage and reclaim their mountaintop. There's only one way to find out.

Written by Cameron Gilbert

Panel: Cameron Gilbert

TURKEY

  1. (+1) Beşiktaş (9-1)
  2. (+3) HWA.Gamesatış (6-4)
  3. (+1) Dark Passage (6-4)
  4. (-1) Oyun Hizmetleri (6-4)
  5. (+3)  NumberOne eSports Club (4-6)
  6. (-5) Team Turquality (4-6)
  7. (-1) Atlas (3-7)
  8. ( - ) CREW (2-8)

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After two weeks of silence, TCL returned with new players and intense competition. Beşiktaş parted ways with Energy and Theokoles, replacing them with ex-Fnatic Academy player Mustafa "Avenuee" Atalay and ex-SK Gaming Prime player Arttu "Taikki" Sirrka. The newcomers seemed to fit in nicely and helped BJK win both of their matches.

HWA.Gamesatış finally met the expectations and crushed both of their opponents, where they conceded only 7 kills combined. With the return of their star midlaner Koray "Naru" Bıçak, Dark Passage took full advantage of their relatively easy week and beat the bottom-two teams of the table.

Oyun Hizmetleri lost a crucial game against HWA and missed the chance to retain their 2nd Place spot in the standings. Top 2 is especially important, since these teams will move to the Semifinals directly. On the bottom half of the table NumberOne recorded a very important win against TT, which also secured the season series 2-0 in their favor. NR1 will have a tough schedule against DP and OHM in the Week 6. Team Turquality failed to continue their journey on the hype-train they’ve been riding for the past couple of weeks, losing both of their games and dropping five spots in the Power Rankings. Atlas and CREW are still not performing up to par and need to re-evaluate their strategies to escape from the relegation line.

With only two weeks remaining in the TCL, games are more important than ever and a single win could decide a teams fate. Don’t forget to catch on the TCL action each Saturday and Sunday via lolespor.com.

Written by Kursad Demirer

Panel: Kursad Demirer, Christopher Willekens

Southeast Asia

  1. GIGABYTE Full Louis (1-0-0)
  2. Boba Marines (0-0-0)
  3. Bangkok Titans (0-0-0)
  4. Saigon Jokers (1-0-0)
  5. ASUS ImbaFate (0-0-1)
  6. Thirsty Chinchillas(1-0-0)
  7. Saigon Fantastic 5 (0-0-1)
  8. Go to Sleep (0-0-0)
  9. Impunity Legends (0-1-0)
  10. Mineski Globe (0-0-0)
  11. GAMEX.Wargods (0-0-1)
  12. Imperium Pro Team (0-0-1)
  13. Team Proioxis (1-0-0)
  14. ZOTAC United (0-1-0)
  15. Kuala Lumpur Hunters (0-1-0)
  16. Jakarta Juggernauts (0-1-0)

  Record format is (W-L-T)

The group stages of GPL Summer 2015 has just begun! The clash of the week featured two of the best teams in Singapore and Vietnam respectively. Thanks to an outstanding individual performance by GFL's Lê "SofM" Quang Duy, GIGABYTE Full Louis cemented their spot as one of the favorites to lift the tournament after a 2-0 victory over Impunity Legends who placed 4th Place in the previous split.

With only one set of games being played for most teams, we will not be able to accurately gauge the strength of the newcomers. One thing is for sure, the champion of the GPL will definitely be the favourites to dominate the International Wildcard qualifiers after Bangkok Titan’s great performance at the International Wildcard Invitational.

Written by Nelson Sng

Panel:Nelson "iMp Nelson" Sng

OCEANIA

  1. ( - ) Chiefs eSports Club (11-0)
  2. ( - ) Legacy eSports (8-3)
  3. (+1) Dire Wolves (6-5)
  4. (-1) Avant Garde (5-6)
  5. (+1) Team Immunity (4-7)
  6. (+1) Absolute (4-7)
  7. (-2) Sin Gaming (5-6)
  8. ( - ) Sudden Fear (1-10)

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Okay, take a deep breath, because Oceania is in absolute chaos, and you'll need a level head to understand what's been happening in our Power Rankings. The last week of the Oceanic Pro League has revealed something that explains the strange results of the last few weeks - there is a distinct gap between the top 4 and bottom 4 teams.

While Sin Gaming got off to a brilliant start thanks to the overwhelming lane presence of Jason "Rymeister" Ryan, they haven't been able to keep up with more experienced teams. Sin currently sit at 2-4 in their last six games -- with one particularly damning loss to a substitute Absolute roster. We've given them the benefit of the doubt up until now, but they'll have to work hard to restore their fans' confidence.

Sudden Fear managed to steal a win from Team Immunity in one of the strangest base races we've ever seen in Oceania, which would normally cause us to rethink Immunity's position. In the end, Absolute's emergency sub roster raises too many questions for us to rank them above Immunity. The panel has made its best attempt at untangling recent results, but on any given day, the bottom half of the OPL could really be in any order.

Written by Alex Manisier

Panel: Alex Manisier, Ben "RiotBenji" de Ridder, Jake "Riot Spawn" Tiberi, Max "Riot Atlus" Anderson and Zack "Rusty" Pye

INTERNATIONAL

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  1. ( - ) SKTelecom T1 (9-0)
  2. (+2) Qiao Gu (4-0-8)
  3. ( - ) KOO Tigers (6-3)
  4. (-2) Edward Gaming (5-2-6)
  5. (+4) Snake (4-2-5)
  6. ( - ) Fnatic (10-0)
  7. (+1) Jin Air Green Wings (6-3)
  8. (-1) ahq e-Sports Club (8-0-2)
  9. (+9) Vici Gaming (2-1-10)
  10. (-5) Najin e-mFire (6-3)
  11. (+2) Origen (8-2)
  12. (+5) Flash Wolves (7-1-2)
  13. (-2) CJ Entus (6-3)
  14. (-4) H2K (7-3)
  15. (-3) Invictus Gaming (5-4-2)
  16. (+3) LGD (2-3-8)
  17. (NEW) Hong Kong Esports (3-1-6)
  18. (-4) KT Rolster (5-4)
  19. (+1) Masters 3 (4-3-5)
  20. (NEW) Team SoloMid (8-2)

A lot of the changes have been reflected in the sections above, but I'll try to touch on the ones that haven't.

China and Korea's relative positions remain about the same. An interesting discussion broke out between Froskurrin and Montecristo this week related to that relative strength. Korean and Chinese teams often exemplify many of the same imperfections, though with China, partially because of reputation, and partially because of format, it's denegrated. Whereas in Korea, it's often celebrated.

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In the end, there isn't much discernable difference between teams like Vici and Najin, or CJ or IG. They are good teams that have flaws that will probably prevent them from ever attaining regional dominance -- but good none the less.

The major difference this week is the introduction of HKE back into international relevence. Their improvement has been dramatic, and Taiwan as a region has looked better than it has all split long.

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It's also worth mentioning the EU LCS potential for international dominance this season. Europe is the region with the most potential to move up, but they have to prove that the playstyle Maurice "Amazing" Stückenschneider describes is consistent as well as effective.

Let us know your thoughts on the Power Rankings on Twitter or in the comments below.

Images courtesy of Inven, Garena, SANKO, and paiN Gaming

Frank Fields is a Senior Editor for Riot Games' Esports Web Content team. You'll find him shooting lazers with Viktor and Lux in Diamond or on Twitter where he'd love to talk to you about esports.

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179 Comments

Cheryl Cole30 votes

Just one question... you talk about "need to prove" related to western teams which look good. I agree there is a need of winning the worlds to be put to 1st spot. I do agree, there is a need of several succeful international events for western regions to be taken seriously. But what i do not understand, is why mediocre eastern teams need only one good showing in one regional match to be put incredibly high? Last PR Najin e-mFire was put on 5th spot 11!!!!! spots higher then PR before that, and now they are again in the middle of the pack. So can you tell me how can this team be totaly mediocre...then somehow week later be top 5 in the world... and another week be again only mediocre. Why they didn't need to prove anything to be in the world's top? Dear analysts that was nothing more then simple failure of your analys. Why Snake didn't need to prove they deserve top aswell? And on the other hand Fnatic is proving that week after week and still they need to "prove" much more. Last time it was beating Origen. Then week later it was H2K. Now they need to play them both again. Then they will need to win the worlds to be in top 5 at least. Im not trying to defend Fnatic. I don't realy care where they are. But i do care about sense of what you wrote and about methodics of making these PR. I understand why are korean's and chinese teams evaluated better then western ones. But as a fan of you i don't approve putting any korean team with one week of good showing into the VIP section of this list just like that. There is no logic behind, there is no reason used to do that and finaly you can understand why is someone like Jatt going through his "bias affair" even if it's not true. It's so easy to presume you are not taking every region equaly if you are willing to make unreasonable decisions in comparing international top teams. Btw i did use Fnatic only as an example. No need to answer why they shouldn't be top 5. That's not what i ment. The same is about NA right now. If NA would be asian region with exact same gameplay then TSM would be like top 3 internationaly right now lol.

Prudii Skirata13 votes

Actually if a team in an asian region would play like TSM they would have no chance to stay even somwhere near to professional e-sport And if there was an asian region on NAs level it would be way less relevant because of iits so much stronge neighbour regions. NA is LoL's "home region", which is the only reason that it is within the "5 Main Leagues" (LCSNA/LCSEU/LCK/LPL/LMS). I'd even say there actually IS an asian league on NAs skill level: the GPL. And because they're not a "traditional LoL league", they arewithin the Wildcard Pool.

Fnatic defintely prove against EU top teams very well, but hthey were "just" european top teams - who the korean & chinese teams fight against are international top teams. Failing against the strongest doesnt necessarily mean you're weaker than somneone who systematically beats "weak" teams.

You have to accept the truth that these regions top teams are usually stronger than those from other regions - often by quite a lot. You can see that by teams from these regions are basically winning every international tournament in the last years, teams from other regions dont realy get into even semifinals of worlds anymore.

And there's a simple reason for this: What means dedication?

Top Players in Korea for example train 16 hours per day 7 days per week, they already did years before the MOBAs went big in the StarCraft-eSport-Scene. Now that China's e-Sport-Scene reached momentum, they play up to Korea's level becuase this is similar there. EU players on the other hand train 8-12 hours per day on 5 days per week + a bit on weekend - thats way less in the long run.

It's a cultural/traditional factor how much effort "extreme dedication" in different parts of the world actually means & this higher training time of course pays off in better playstyle in the long run.

Ho Lee Fuk oO15 votes

Fnatic defintely prove against EU top teams very well, but hthey were "just" european top teams - who the korean & chinese teams fight against are international top teams.

Well May be you missed MSI this year but fanatic was pretty close losing 3:2 vs SKT1. Which is for me a internatrional top team.

Seems like other teams placed in the top 5 would have a hard time to get this result against skt. Additionally Fnatic even improved a lot since then.

Parkwayy3 votes

And they lost out against every Asia region team in groups, like NA did. The SKT series was fun to watch to be fair.

Cheryl Cole2 votes

Well problem is my friend, that you missed the point. That was not about Fnatic and why they are not in top 5. Problem i ment is why they are thoughtlessly putting incredibly inconsistent asian teams into top and week later they are again nowhere the top, when consistent western team with clearly same or even higher level of gameplay cant. You can't put top 12 team right into top 5 in one week without winning the international even as IEM at least....The fail is they are now again back in the middle... What i actualy hate is a need of a prove for every good western team, but somehow worse asian teams don't need to fulfill that condition. It doesn't matter how strong region or team is. You can't make such resolute decision without substantiation. It makes your "analysts" team look incredibly unprofessional. Becouse what analysis was behind that climb i would totaly want to know...

AFK Sam2 votes

There is a problem with power ranking, but your point is plainly wrong. Riot should use the same standard, the same rule to evaluate every team whatsoever. "with China, partially because of reputation, and partially because of format, it's denegrated. Whereas in Korea, it's often celebrated." I don't know what "reputation" even mean here. A country won 2nd place two years in a row should be "denigrated" because of "reputation". That makes no sense. But I am not speaking up for LPL here, I just want to point out: if that is what riot do with LPL and LCK, then they are no way close to be recognized as "analytical".

To your point, Back in MSI, No matter how close FNC get with SKT, FNC lost. No matter how "EDG creates a whole team comp to counter 1 person", EDG win SKT. In addition, don't forget FNC got the chance to play with EDG as well, and they lost pretty bad. If you use SKT as a standard here, you know LPL champion is two steps ahead of LCS champion.

I agreed EDG is not the best form they could be right now due to roster change. So their ranking should be reflected. However, it is not given that STK better than EDG. Moreover, go look at EDG's lose. They lost 5 games when they had 8k-15k gold lead, which speaks about LPL's competition level. FNC had the chance to win EDG when they are 10k gold behind, but FNC failed, which speaks about the difference here.

On one last unrelated note, if you follow PTL, you know GodV "LGD' mid laner" has been on "the penta" for more than 3 weeks already. (1st: orianna penta kill; 2nd yasuo solo with ekko; 3nd, varus flash Q) You can't assume a player like him suck in terms of strategic plays. If you check LGD's team roster, they have Imp, Acorn, two Korean stars plus PYL, "the China support king". However, the truth is: LGD will not make it the S5 probably based on their results. That also speaks about the competition level of LPL.

Fidio2 votes

I belive SBooB has a point. When Korean middle of the pack has ONE good showing agains supposedly better team it means that they are great and deserve to be put in top 10 internationally. When middle of the pack team from other reagions show up aginst stronger oppponent it means nothing and ,,they need to prove themselves through consistency".

Earl Eulrich29 votes

oh come on...fnatic clearly is top 3 currently. And it´s still overly biased towards Korea...Koo Tigers would not even make it to top 5 in China the way they play (nor top 3 in europe for that matter).

Diode3 votes

"overly biased towards koreans" i mean, the only reason why fnatic is so dominant is because it has 3 koreans. Clearly, koreans do stuff that no one else does making them the best.

strangelizard19 votes

There are 2 Koreans on Fnatic, Yellowstar is French yet clearly with Asian ancestry.

Also; Fnatic is a balanced team!

Their wins aren't down to just one or two players carrying the dead EU server weight. They're all great in their role and they all contribute.

You can't forget that they took SKT all the way to 5 games at MSI, and that was without Rekkles.

If Rekkles were on the team then it may have been a final without a Korean team!

Lugg3 votes

And that is why Korea isn't the best league anymore. Most of the talent has gone elsewhere.

CypressLB2 votes

Korea seems to be doing quite well for having no talent. Also I doubt TDK is skirmishing EDG and SKT, get real.

Lugg3 votes

I didn't say Korea had no talent. Just that a lot of it left to other regions. SKT is heads and shoulders above any other Korean team. The average Korean team is no better than the average EU team.

SKT was at their peak and BARELY beat Fnatic. Fnatic can mop the floor with them right now.

THE KILLER GUY4 votes

H2K has Ryu who was considered one of the best mid laners in the world before going to Europe and he's never been a standout performer for H2K. However, I think Koo Tigers would easily make it to top 5 in China and certainly top 2 in Europe if not #1. I think Don Eulrich went a little bias in the opposite direction there.

Earl Eulrich1 votes

frankly speaking...i don´t even believe SKT would make it to the top 5 in China. That soly controlled way of playing the game just doesn´t work in the LPL, as almost any team of the top 8 has insane mechanical skill and the will to make plays to disrupt the slow-choke Koreans prefer. It´s also why you see EDG struggle as much as they do with their subs, as baeme is pretty similar to Easyhoon - not someone that creates a lot of pressure himself, but rather a very control-oriented player, while amazing J is more of a splitpusher than a tp/teamfight player - which doesn´t do to well if your opponent will just jump on you.

It´s kind of like last season when SSW just completly dominated everyone - showcasing that making plays yourself will always come out ahead of passivly waiting for mistakes if you can back it up with mechanical skill and proper (deceisive) decission-making. And while there currently isnßt a team that is on the level SSW had been back then, China inherrited and adepted their playstyle while Korea is still stuck in the mostly rotation-focused ways.

CypressLB3 votes

You complain about people being bias and they you go ahead and parade your own...

You should watch more LCK because Easyhoon as become much more aggressive since the end of last season. He's hung out with Faker too much. I would also like to point out that just because a team does well one season doesn't mean they will do well the next. I like an aggressive play style but just saying things like, "stuck in mostly rotation-focused ways" makes you sound like a fanboy. Rotations are tempo based and your argument is for more tempo and more plays. Are you trying to say that SKT don't make any proactive moves?

Chinois7 votes

pffftttt fnatic a top 3 team? jokes. You are typing with your heart and not your brain. Your pride for your region is taking over your mind. Korea and China are ways ahead of the western region currently. Not to mention, in international play it is usually Bo5's where china and korea cant be touched, at max they drop a game every series. You put that same fnatic roster in korea or china and they will find themselves at the bottom half of the leaderboards. What's really a joke is the comment on koo tigers not even being a top 3 team in europe, fnatics the only team in europe that could take one game off of the koo tigers in a Bo5. If the koo tigers were in china they would at least be top 3 and if they were in europe they would, without a doubt be the top team.

Cheryl Cole4 votes

Sorry sir, i believe you accidently change TSM for Fnatic :). Hope you feel ashamed now.

Chinois5 votes

what? I don't let pride come between logic. I hate the NA region right now we are god awful, eu is much better to watch, but that doesn't change the fact that china and korea would destroy them in international play.

CypressLB2 votes

Being the best of the worst isn't a justification to be considered the top 3 of the best. Fnatic looks amazing, but they don't have much competition outside H2K and OG. Most of EU is doing quite poorly, pretty much everything below UoL and Giants looks pretty bad. TSM is only finally starting to win games in a manner one would expect from a veteran team of veteran players with immense resources. Most of NA can be described as slow and throw.

I don't follow the LPL so I won't speak about them or the wildcards, but SKT looks amazing right now and can expect their 17th win in a row of best of 3s and 2-6 has been very competitive in the LCK(in EU it's similar to Fnatic then OG and H2K being the next tier then the rest, but OG+H2K tier in Korea is the 2-6). Koo is looking better and better and this meta suits them and Jin is looking like a solid 3rd. Najin still looks like a team with a high ceiling and solid players they just need more time as a team, consider this is their first split without subbing players every single match. KT looks like they're on a slump now, same with CJ. Now, after saying all that you can't say CJ is bad because Koo and Jin are doing so well and beating them in 2-0 or 2-1, they're not doing some NA shit and throwing they're just losing to a team that is better. I don't think 6th in Korea is 6th in NA or EU.

I think Fnatic has had strong results and it speaks to their skill. The worst thing for Fnatic is that most of EU is doing so poorly they can't get top tier practice compared to more competitive regions. Even still Fnatic's management seems pretty top tier.

Koo also looks great right now. I think your top 5 comment is an emotional appeal and I know your EU comment is BS about them. They look amazing right now. Show me an EU team that can win from a 9k deficit.

r33m3r2 votes

true they put fnatic 6ths cos they got no idea how fnatic will perfom...those korrean teams better get rdy fo fnatic cos they are rdy for worlds like they never been not to mention half our team is korrean now too :)

fnatic deserves nothing less then 4th place atleast

Hyper10sion13 votes

Fnatic is getting the shaft in the international rankings. At MSI, they went the distance vs SKT, back when they had Steelback. Rekkles is better than Steelback, Fnatic is 10-0, ad they still ranked below Snake? Pardon me if I call bull crap.

sitemoth5 votes

I guess it is because we haven't seen much international games from FNC and not a single one with Rekkles in the line-up. I think 6th place still fits them pretty well though, somewhere at the level of Jin Air and KOO. Also those top 8, top 10 are incredible close, pretty much all those teams rank 1-7 should go 3-2 against each other in a bo5

Parkwayy2 votes

To be fair, both LCS squads got rolled at MSI in the group stages. Keep in mind, FNC only won 1 more game than TSM in groups, the head to head.

ShacoDePatatas10 votes

Please analyst, stop using formulas in International like:

  1. First in Korea/China
  2. First in China/Korea
  3. Second in Korea/China
  4. Second in China/Korea
  5. Third in Korea/China

This have to be about current power of the team. Explain me why Snake its now better than Fnatic when last week Snake was 3 position below Fnatic.

In this week Snake won against Master3 and Fnatic won against H2K and Gambit. I can't see the reason why Fnatic is now worse than Snake.

Please analysts, compare teams, don't take the easy cliche of regions.

Cheat on Her6 votes

Because FNC won against EU teams.

Cheryl Cole4 votes

Master3 is below H2K lol.... would love to understand their thoughts when making this one..... But don't worry next week snake will be again in the depths of ranking and fifth spot will be something like CJ entus.

Prudii Skirata2 votes

They don't follow "cliche formulas", but you have to accept the truth that these regions top teams are usually stronger than those from other regions - often by quite a lot. you can see that by teams from these regions are basically winning every international tournament in the last years, teams from other regions dont realy get into even semifinals of worlds anymore.

And there's a simple reason for this: What means dedication?

Top Players in Korea for example train 16 hours per day 7 days per week, they already did years before the MOBAs went big in the StarCraft-eSport-Scene. Now that China's e-Sport-Scene reached momentum, they play up to Korea's level becuase this is similar there. EU players on the other hand train 8-12 hours per day on 5 days per week + a bit on weekend - thats way less in the long run.

It's a cultural/traditional factor how much effort "extreme dedication" in different parts of the world actually means & this higher training time of course pays off in better playstyle in the long run.

ShacoDePatatas4 votes

I also think korea and china are better regions, but the analyst ARE following cliche formulas.

How do you explain why Snake is above Fnatic when last week was below?

I will explain you, because they think the third team in China must be above of any team in Europe, because China is strong. Instead they should think: Snake is better than Fnatic because the play better, more consistent ... but I don't think they do that.

CypressLB2 votes

Or because Snake faces tougher competition and the wins mean more. Fnatic is the competition coming from EU. If Fnatic could play top teams and win their expectation would go up. A win against Gambit just doesn't mean much.

GoBardInThePaint9 votes

I feel that these rankings are massively underselling NA; now yes, NA has looked exceptionally week this season but I've seen massive improvement in tactical play this week in particular, now there is still the problem of NA junglers playing extraordinarily passive before the 15 minute mark but its not at the point where no NA teams should be left out of the top 20 with the exception of TSM at that 20 mark. I think that top 3 in NA are worthy of being on this list. EU without a doubt looks far stronger at the moment and FNC definitely earns its spot and I agree with OG and H2k being on the list albeit I think that H2k is stronger than OG, but I wholeheartedly feel that NA is being undersold in the rankings this week.

Gaxx D10 votes

TSM haven't really improved since MSI, if anything they look even more questionable. And MSI TSM doesn't even belong in top20 teams in the world. You may call it a strategical play, but the truth is, teams in NA have no plan for the game. They don't know what to do, comes mid game, that's why the pace is so slow and boring to watch. Nothing to do with strategy. I do hope NA teams will pick it up before worlds, but right now it's painful to watch them. TSM in top 20 is more of a courtesy, rather than them earning that spot.

Cheryl Cole10 votes

like 8 out of top 20 didn't earn anything. Hong Kong Esports ? Why not TSM.

CypressLB3 votes

Everything you said can be said about a wildcard region. NA doesn't look top 20 and is lucky enough to be the home ground of Riot or else they'd have to compete against other people at a similar level, like the wildcards. The top NA teams have trouble or lose to the bottom teams constantly. TSM vs C9, CLG vs sub squad with no practice, DiG vs TDK who JUST came together. Saying a pile of shit has improved markedly still makes it a pile of shit.

NA doesn't seem to be throwing as much, which is a massive improvement, but it's a normal expectation for everyone else.

Troll Pool2 votes

NA is still heads above wildcard regions.. People are exagerating too much. If TSM can pull together and improve. NA could be just as good as EU when worlds happens.

1nNqLmJSJm7 votes

I feel the need to get something off my chest you judge TSM from their poor showing at MSI let me remind you that it was all best of 1's can we really judge them off of that they chocked hard but was it their top performance ? or did they unperformed ? they won IEM for Crist sake don't tell me it was a fluke cause the games they played was crazy good shot calling and execution and i feel like TSM going back to Top 8 is ok if not reasonable they are back dominating top teams in NA and i say that as a relevant statement because they unperformed hard in MSI it's not just because teams were really good that they are just better, look at NA LCS First game vs C9 (they are currently at the bottom of lcs ) it was clearly an under performance that resulted in bad execution so back to my statement they are bouncing back they just crushed CLG convincingly coming off from beating team liquid as well, unlike the C9 Game (which they are a weaker team ) got 5 drakes and still couldn't end the game, just shows how they were in a slump the fact they are bouncing back to IEM Level they surely deserve top 8-10. stop letting your hatred/emotions take over your judgment.

Diode5 votes

My favorite team in NA is CLG, and by their play last week, i have officially lost all hope in NA. Especially after TL lost to gravity somehow?! like, if gravity can beat them, how did the first place team CLG, seem worse than gravity against TL??? NA is so shit right now i cant even. TSM is miles ahead of all the teams in NA and even they are not that dominant.

dorkyreference5 votes

I agree with the top 6(maybe swap Fnatic and Snake) but sometimes it feels like they just shotgun the higher ranked Korean and Chinese teams into international rankings no matter how off they look. I think it might have been last week when all of the sudden Najin was very high, they look bad in a couple games and they drop, but why the ridiculous jump in the first place.

Shei in a bucket4 votes

Yeah, Copenhagen Wolves stading secure at 10th place for the 4th year in a row. It makes me proud to be Danish!

SHOCKTOPZZ4 votes

this is a joke.... can riot fire the morons who made this. Here is a REAL ranking

  1. SKTelecom T1
  2. Edward Gaming
  3. Jin Air Green Wings
  4. Fnatic
  5. ahq e-Sports Club 6.Flash Wolves
  6. KOO Tigers
  7. Team Solo Mid
  8. H2K
  9. Najin e-mFire

I'm just giving a top 10 cause the rest is way to questionable for me right now. The fact they gave Vici gaming and Snake a place in the top 10 is just plain dumb. My list is pretty fucking solid and off of pure skill and team play, not just of ooo they are high ranked cause of region bullshit. What a joke lol

I SUPA I12 votes

TSM 8th? LOL That is noway near right

1nNqLmJSJm4 votes

they won IEM and chocked at MSI Now they are bouncing back stop being delusional.

Captain Kush 4203 votes

how are teams in tawian like ahq 8-0-2. how do they get ties?

yerrpp2 votes

They play a best of 2, unlike in the lcs where teams only play 1 game against each other. So they tie by each winning a single game.

NeoDeimos5 votes

LMS (Taiwan, etc) have ties in the same way that China does. They play a 2-game series: 3 points for a 2-0, 1 point for a 1-1 draw, and obviously 0 for an 0-2.

This is probably the worst point system of them all. Why allow for ties? Why award an extra point for going 2-0? If you're going to make it a series (as opposed to a best-of-1 like NA/EU), then just go to a best-of-3 format like Korea. No need for arbitrary point systems.

Example: Roughly 2 weeks ago, Invictus was ranked 3rd (!!) out of 12 teams in China, with a record of 4-2-4 (W-T-L), winning 10 games, losing 10 games.. .500 record, an exactly average team. But because of the Chinese point structure, they had 14 points. Hypothetically, a team could tie every single series they play up to that point, going 0-10-0, have the exact same 10-10 record... but they'd only have 10 points, not 14 like Invictus. Sure, Invictus might have won 4 series, and people may say it's that fact that makes them better than an 0-10-0 team... but that hypothetical team also didn't LOSE 4 series like Invictus did either.

Lunallan3 votes

When there is an international tournament taking place, all rankings flop:P

Viro Melchior3 votes

Fnatic belong +1 at number 5. Until they play the top 4, though, its really impossible to know how they compare. But after having seen them in MSI and now acquiring Rekkles, plus their EU performance, I strongly believe that they are "just under" those top teams - closer to the top than Snake.

And TSM/NA belong about 5 places up. Yes, NA is looking weak right now, but relegating a team that regularly takes games off of the top teams (even if they failed to get far during MSI) to 20th is a bit cynical. Yes, they are not a top 10 team given their summer performance. But I'd put good money that they can take down most of the 11-20 teams in a best of 5.

plumpy992 votes

im still confused about TDK whey are they above c9 t8 and nme who are all 3-7 when tdk is 1-9? can someone explain please?

I SUPA I2 votes

Because the last game they played with there full roster. They look ALOT different and has the potential to cause upsets. C9 looks reallllllyyyy bad as of now.

Sneaky Fast2 votes

As soon as EDG starts playing Pawn, they're #1 (possible exception-long shot Fnatic). Dropping them because they're giving other players experience is laughable. Also, since many top Koreans left over the winter for greener pastures, the term 'Asian teams' is hardly fair to China. I think the likelihood of a Chinese team (read EDG) winning worlds is quite high. Just my 2 cents lol.

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