Zirene has been obsessed with how much FlyQuest is exceeding expectations. But, that is just more shoddy analysis by Zirene. Three of the old C9 roster, and Altec have worked extensively together. Moon has LCS experience. To say that FlyQuest is an expected 9th or 10th place is obviously dumb. But, my question is, what did Phreak predict FlyQuest to do? Did he outsmart his idiot coworkers yet again?
DestructoDave3 votesI can see ranking them 9th or 10th if they didn't have Hai. But the fact he stayed on people should have gave the guy more credit than that. He basically came back and took a c9 team headed that were headed to relegations, to worlds instead in a span of like 3 weeks. The guy has proven to make any team a winner. So, with all the discombobulated teams full of mechanics and nothing else this season, it shouldnt have been a surprise that he is able to manufacture wins out of thin air by leadership alone; esp. with 2 players who are going to listen to him that he has played with his entire career. And honestly, his entire career is defined by that leadership talent alone.
Not to mention, if people haven't noticed, their mechanics really aren't that poor. Even when Hai "retired" hes still a top challenger player. Same with the others. Its not like these guys were out in their garage working on old cars at 45 years old when someone came and told them they needed them back lol. They are 20 year old dudes still spamming solo Q just burnt out of competitive. But now they have the fire again, and they are playing pretty damn well individually.
But yea. I mean if they had some other mid like I thought they were going to have before the split started, 9th or 10th sounded about right. As soon as people heard that Hai stayed on, he should have gotten way more credit than that.
Walmart Porn1 votesYeah i agree i always loved hai's balls deep style of play. On the worlds stage sometimes they get burned because its feast or famine in a way its high risk high reward- but damn if its not more fun to watch than these 30-45 min farm fests till someone gets a pick or a steal on an objective and ends. The fact remains that in NA alot of the teams have imports giving language barriers and teamwork issues that need to be worked out while Hai's team already has team work and speaks english. So all they have to do is work on their own plans and not follow everyone else. Which is exactally what theyre doing. Not following the standard LB/camille ect pick bans like everyone else and doing their own thing has paid off so far. While its true they have had strength of scedule - one of the analysts did make the point - and correctly so that they played aginst possibly 3 of the bottom table teams and not players like bjerg ect- FQ games are still loads more fun to watch with all the action than the farm fests.
Miror B1 votesYeah, it's kinda too early to make the call on flyquest. While they did start 3-0, they were hardly challenged (facing what looks to be a 7th place CLG team, an NV team that was starting a shockingly improved Ich, and a TL team who could be the biggest disappointment of 2017). Them vs IMT will be the true test of how good they are, as a clean 2-0 could put them in 4th while a loss could make them more of a 6-7th team.
Oh, and just because moon has lcs experience doesn't necessarily make him good or anything. Froggen has years of lcs experience, yet because of what his champion pool/skillset is like you could almost consider him a liability on anything other than a challenger team.
dakm1021 votesWill be super fun to follow it and if they do end up getting to finals that would be soooooooo awesome. it would kinda solidify hai as one of the greats of the game which I would love :D
Miror B1 votesWill be super fun to follow it and if they do end up getting to finals that would be soooooooo awesome. it would kinda solidify hai as one of the greats of the game which I would love :D
If we're looking at it from an international sense, then Hai realistically has zero chance of going on anyone's LoL "mount rushmore". If we're looking solely at NA though, I'd say he's probably tied with DL as the third-greatest player of all time.
dakm1021 votesI just feel like since he has always done decently at worlds it would be a bit off to not call him not only one of the best in NA but also one of the best in the world since he won many games off of his godlike calls and they almost took Samsung blue to game five if it wasn't for the clutch base defense back in season 4
Miror B1 votesI just feel like since he has always done decently at worlds it would be a bit off to not call him not only one of the best in NA but also one of the best in the world since he won many games off of his godlike calls and they almost took Samsung blue to game five if it wasn't for the clutch base defense back in season 4
That being said, how many championships has he won? While people could consider Peyton Manning the greatest QB ever based on regular season stats, Brady has won far more championships thus making for a way stronger case into him. In the case of Hai, there are 3 things holding him back from being even remotely considered a "best in the world" player: injuries/challenger appearances have forced him to miss a lot of time from the actual LCS, he hasn't been considered at all "top-tier" in any of the roles he's played internationally, and his record at worlds includes 0 appearances in the finals. Considering there are literally hundreds of players who have made the finals of worlds and at least 30 better world-wide mids/jgs in each role, it's hard to take any serious consideration when putting him in that category.
dakm1021 votesknow for a fact there are not hundreds of finalists from worlds with only 6 seasons so far. and the fact is that he isn't gonna be known as a mechanical god, that doesn't make you the best player in the world. what makes you good is being smart and he is one of the smartest players out there. his shotcalling is what makes him famous. He is the #1 shotcaller in the west and by proxy the best leader in the west which makes him in contention for going down in history. Bjergsen has always been more mechanically talented but he has never been a better leader than Hai
GeminiRune1 votesConsidering that a lot of pre-split predictions had Flyquest pitched as this washed up assortment of players with an expectation of 9/10th place, they're doing quite good shutting up critics so far and styling while doing it. Flyquest's case is exactly why they are called predictions; there's no being dumb about what you thought prior to the start of the split, especially if it fell in line with a good majority of others, fans and analysts alike. And even though they have an above average early start, there's still the rest of the split in which they could crack under the pressure over like Summer Split Envy.
Qiyn1 votesOn the contrary, i think the analyst's who are, so far, so wrong, they should rethink their jobs. Fans can be this wrong, because they don't need to study the game. Nonetheless, predicting a team of their caliber (who has succeeded well in the past) to be last place is still dumb.
dakm1021 votesI think that one thing you have to take into account though is why some of them left the scene. Moon was a choker last year on NRG and Hai and lemon left due to mechanics issues (hai from wrist issues and lemon just feeling out of it). And I'm the most die hard FlyQuest fan out there but I can for sure understand why they would put them on the lower spectrum in some people's eyes. would not call them dumb and they all do their jobs really well
Qiyn1 votesI disagree. They left the scene last year on a mostly high note (except for Moon). And they didn't just come back to the LCS scene out of nowhere. They had played in the CS. And they looked amazing there (and of course, Moon is the only new player to the team).
Wh1teWu1f1 votesI think saying they looked amazing in the CS is kinda shaky... Of course 4 LCS players who weren't even relegated are going to stomp the crap out of Challenger teams. The question came when you asked, "How do they compare to the LCS teams?" and looking at the fact that they were working with 2 people who retired, a jungler who was shown to be "meh", and then two okay players (Altec and Balls aren't really anything to be amazed at, not bad, but I wouldn't put 'em on a fantasy roster over most other NA laners in their roles). The number of imports that came in this year and how cutthroat the Summer Split was, you'd have to expect them to finish fairly low (granted NV and FOX should've been put under them).
It's also fairly easy to say "What were you thinking putting them at the bottom of your rankings?" after their strong start (although Mye has pointed out they haven't really been too tested). Hindsight is 20/20, but this is also only 1/6th of the split.
Smart Kitty1 votesI thought they'd be 6th personally, was a little shocked to see them at 9th or 10th.
III BAKURYU III 1 votesI personally predicted FlyQuest to go 7-11 for 7th place but I must admit they look good so far but it's a long split and anything can happen.