For really l don't know what's the deal with riot glorifying esport players.Yeah l get that riot want's to make 'pro' players feel good about them self by making videos/music videos about them. Cmon they are just people(mostly Asian) playing game for waaay too much.
Unker1393 votesFor really l don't know what's the deal with riot glorifying esport players.Yeah l get that riot want's to make 'pro' players feel good about them self by making videos/music videos about them. Cmon they are just people(mostly Asian) playing game for waaay too much.
You can pretty much say that about any sport. Esports is a product just like football, baseball etc.
The videos are not to make the players feel good about themselves. They are marketing tools to get people interested in esports.
DoctorJHIN41 votesThere is difference between showing live footage from esport and cool moments of it and making full music animated video with players depicted in a cool way.
Captainn Ginyu1 votesyou say overrated and dont get me wrong i dont really watch esports my self but bruh there better than 98% of us could ever hope to be
DoctorJHIN41 votesYes because of non stop playing, let's be honest being good in game is not a talent. If l played 1 game for 12+ hours a day, there is 99% that l would be pro.
Sebastit7d1 votesProve it to us OP, go and win worlds!
DoctorJHIN41 votesThere are few problems with that. First l don't have time to waste 12+ hours on a video game. Second, if you disagree with me just look at any pros and you will see that they started just by playing this game waaay too much. Third even if l had that much time to waste l wouldn't. Because am one of 3 people who see video games as art. Game like lol are fine, you play them to have some mindless fun but that's it. If l were to choose l would choose to spend 12 hours a day actually learning to make game instead of playing it.
Sebastit7d1 votesThere are few problems with that. First l don't have time to waste 12+ hours on a video game. Second, if you disagree with me just look at any pros and you will see that they started just by playing this game waaay too much. Third even if l had that much time to waste l wouldn't. Because am one of 3 people who see video games as art. Game like lol are fine, you play them to have some mindless fun but that's it. If l were to choose l would choose to spend 12 hours a day actually learning to make game instead of playing it.
Oh god you sound like those self entitled game design students, I'm learning to get in the same field, I also see games as art in a way. Except that Art comes second as games are about interaction and enjoyment first, and aesthetics come afterwards, but i'm not going to start a debate on it.
Back to the topic at hand, not everyone can become a pro no matter how much time they have on their hands. There are way more factors than just play time. People who went pro besides loving the game and spending a lot of time, also had a lot of experience in other games that developed their macro abilities for example. A lot of pros used to play things like starcraft or some other games where managing a lot of different things at the same time are key, they also had a lot of external factors when it comes to how they learned the game, who they played with, etc. There are a lot of players stuck in Bronze for seasons, while also having played for years. If your logic made 100% sense then why are they still stuck there even though they play daily and lots of hours a day? According to your logic they should already be around Diamond, right?
DoctorJHIN41 votesOn the first topic l believe that art,music, design and gameplay,mechanics and stuff like that should be equal.That's the reason hollow knight is one of my favorite games ever.
On the second it is true that not EVERYONE could be pro just by playing 12+ hours a day. But if a person has plan for it they most likely could. Thing l want to say is that there are no talent in playing lol or any game good. You can get better by playing a lot. It's all in experience.
GeminiRune1 votesWhat are other esports scenes to you like in that sense? You could not be ANY more wrong about this!
My mind immediately jumps to SonicFox here
DoctorJHIN41 votesI don't know
GeminiRune1 votesThen why?
DoctorJHIN41 votesIf you think about glorifying players l don't know any other esport outside lol. But to me all esports are overrated in general.
GeminiRune1 votesI mean if your basis of esports players and scenes all together are exclusively off of League's scene, then you're sorely missing out on the value of other scenes. That's just wrong to exclaim that's the general consensus of everything when you don't even know what other backgrounds are like.
DoctorJHIN41 votesl think esports and overrated in general but as far as l know only riot is glorifying players. Also l googled SonicFox and reallly!?
GeminiRune2 votesExplain how Riot is glorifying players oh so valiantly? Whether it's RLCS, CS:GO, OWL, even the FGC, there's always a package of content to those pro players.
And yeah when you make a statement about how esports players are overrated and nothing but Asians playing too much, I jump off of the League defense and go straight to my roots of reference. In this case, the undisputed best player in modern Mortal Kombat. The rest you can explore from there.
DoctorJHIN41 votesBest example l can give are countless music videos about esports, most if not all of them depict players as certain champion doing cool stuff. Now when you compere that to soulless husks that are doing nothing but playing 1 game and 1 game only picture becomes very clear. In pretty much all esports players are overrated in a sense that people just forget one simple thing, those players are not any special, have no talent and stuff like that, they are just people spending too much time in 1 game. l don't have a lot of information about SonicFox but first word l see when l google him is 'furry' and that just says to me 'ruuuun'
GeminiRune1 votes9 times out of 10, he's a bad example to use...because of that fox outfit....it's quite funny though.
But to go back to the revelant part of it all, the content of esports goes along to its supported community whether that be through the org or through the game company. It also goes to also show that these players treat this like their job and it pretty much is. So as part of their job comes content creation along with playing to be the best. Nothing overrated about that.
Think of it this way as well: the organization doesn't have to allow their player to create anything in regards to Riot or any host company. But then what?
DoctorJHIN41 votesIt could be just my personal bias but l find that getting rich and famous by doing stupid stuff like playing games very stupid. In a case of pro real sport players l understand somewhat, they train physically every day for hours, they risk many injuries and so on. But for esport players they just have to play enough to become good at it, there is no risk factor outside of time yet they earn so much money and fame it's insane. Also 1 weird thing l found about most esport players is there lack of personally, when you look at them most of them look the same.
GeminiRune1 votesA couple of weeks ago, a player by the name Mikyx from G2 revealed he was suffering from wrist injuries. This effectively is lowering his chances to play for MSI coming up and could have a lasting effect on his career. It's not like physical toll doesn't exist in being a pro gamer. There's a reason I wish people would stop comparing the physical detail to contact sports to the mental fortitude of video games.
In my opinion, I went off the rail with this discussion and did nitpick myself. You're entitled to your opinion but I have to continue to disagree with calling esports players overrated in general. They make sacrifices, endure injuries, and in the right scenes have a sense of personality. Example: SonicFox. Nobody knows why he wears that and he's cocky as hell!
I won't try to change your mind. But I do believe that exploring beyond League esports may influence your opinion. Just my cents.
DoctorJHIN41 votesOnly esport l really follow is World of warcraft PVE scene. But wrist injuries are only thing esport players can face.Reason why wrist injuries happen is because human body is not made for sitting in 1 place without moving for too long. Also mental fortitude in video games? Really? Most games require good use of brain power but it's not all that much as everyone claims to be. There are examples of course (starcraft). But for 99% of esport games there is very little to it. Understand game, have a team strategy and decent reflexes.
AlienPrimate1 votesWell here is an example for you. Scarra beat the shaper in Path of Exile after playing for only one week. I have played Path of Exile for 1200 hours and still haven't beaten the shaper. He spends all this time playing LoL to become a great player, but then he can go and first time a game that is largely considered to have a huge learning curve and beats the boss in only a week on his first character.
DoctorJHIN41 votesl didn't play PoX that much to know what boss that is. But as far as l know PoX has World of warcraft like bosses only solo. So there is limited number of attacks boss can use and there are indications when boss uses them. So it's easy to just watch guide and to get best gear for that boss. If that played didn't do that tell me. Also playing lol gives some advantage when playing diablo like games because of similar style of combat,camera and movement.
AlienPrimate1 votesPath of exile doesn't work the way of just equip the best item for a certain fight. Your entire character build starting from level 1 has to be planned out or you will hit a wall before ever getting strong enough to even attempt killing the shaper. Every build will have its own best items.
Sebastit7d1 votesWhat do you mean? Are you telling me not all sports are boring to watch and overrated as Golf? I've only watched Golf and from it I know that people who watch sports are overreacting about it, there's nothing special about it!
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GeminiRune1 votesWhat do you mean? Are you telling me not all sports are boring to watch and overrated as Golf? I've only watched Golf and from it I know that people who watch sports are overreacting about it, there's nothing special about it!
/sNope. Not letting you have it that way.
I never implied that at all! Nor was it intention to do so. And I'm all against this whole eSports culture = Sports culture that various comments keep bull shitting about.
Sebastit7d1 votesI am literally agreeing to your comment and mocking OP's limited views as he uses league's competitive scene as his only basis to his opinions on Esports in general. I could have made the exact same sarcastic joke with something like cartoons/anime claiming that they are all lame or childish because i watched MLP/naruto once.
BigBellBrute1 votesIf you think about glorifying players l don't know any other esport outside lol. But to me all esports are overrated in general.
Saezio1 votesIf you think esports players are overrated, you should see what nba players get paid to play, and what tons of them get paid to sit on the bench.. That's how it is in the capitalist world, the price/salary of ANY PERSON is what ANOTHER PERSON is willing to pay them, it's not measurable. (I don't have anything against capitalism, it's just how things work)
DoctorJHIN41 votesIt's different for really sport players, they played that sport from childhood most likely, trained physically for most of there life. On the other hand, esport players play 1 game for about 5 years non stop.
Saezio1 votesAnd then they play the same sport for years. Esports players most likely played videogames since childhood too.
Also, esports players usually gather funds for their studies by gaming then they get real jobs. Athletes 99/100 times don't even care to educate themselves after their playing years are over and done.
ChompyWulf1 votesEsports players are "glorified" because they are the best people playing the game. It's not as simple as someone playing 10+ hours a day. You need to be able to learn, improve, and adapt from the time used. You must possess very good reflexes to make critical inputs just a lite faster than other players. You must possess good analytic skills to be on the cutting edge of the meta, as well as to be able to make smart decisions in game.
Not just anyone has the mental elasticity and hand-eye reflexes to take that much time spent playing a game and turn it into being in the top .1% of the player population. Further, some of the most hyped players are so hyped up because they can adapt and keep playing at the pro level despite major changes in the game and play for years without a drop-off in skill.
DoctorJHIN41 votesl will assure you. Every skill in gaming esport is learned through practice aka playing way too much. People with better reflexes could have slight advantage but that's nothing people can't get over time. They are best people playing game sure but thing that annoys me are bunch of people who call pro players 'talented' because really 'telent' does not exist. Everything is learned over time. All esport players started as just kids playing game for way too much time.
ChompyWulf1 votesYou need practice, yes. What makes pros so good is getting the most out of that practice and training their skills the best and that is talent. You just seem jealous you can't make it higher in ranks so you hate on the pros.
DoctorJHIN41 votesThat is such a common argument. 'You hate pros because you are bad' l consider myself decent in lol. l have good games and l have bad games. l don't hate pros but l hate the fact that people ignore the fact how they became what they are.
ChompyWulf1 votesI didn't say you were bad, I'm making the logical assumption you're hating attention pros get out of jealousy. Nobody ignores they have played countless hours to get where they are, but only haters like you will act like all those hours they spend is the ONLY reason they are good, as if anyone could do it when clearly that's not the case.
DoctorJHIN41 votesLogic sure. By your words l would assume that you believe that pros have some sort of talent or ability that makes them pros. If so tell me what abilities do they have?
ChompyWulf1 votesYes, I laid that out in my first post.
DoctorJHIN41 votesAnd as l said those skills are result of practice.
ChompyWulf1 votesNot all of them. Some of it is hand-eye reflexes simply being better. That's not practice. Some of it is being able to crunch numbers in a couple seconds, not just training. Another talent is being able to take time spent playing and turn it into constant improvement to be one of the elite. Not everyone can do that.
You're simply in denial that it's more than just practice.
DoctorJHIN41 votesAll of those could be learned over time If 15-30/40 young person decided to go full on into 1 game. Spending all of there time in 1 game. They would in 90% of the cases go pro.
ChompyWulf1 votesThen why is new talent in the NA pro scene from the NA player base so rare? It's not just practice, talent is key. You're simply in blind denial, have no evidence to prove your case, and are stubborn as a mule.
DoctorJHIN41 votesTrue l have no evidence but do you? Also talent does not exist.
DoctorJHIN41 votesAlso l have a question for you, how many pro players are good at other games? It could be mobas or other genres.
ChompyWulf1 votesSomeone already gave you an example in Scarra. I'm not going to bother digging deeper and giving you more examples for you to keep ignoring simply because you don't want to accept talent is reality.
DoctorJHIN41 votesIf all pro lol players for example had talents, they should be able to play similar games great too? Doesn't that make sense?
ModPrandine1 votesEsports has been a big deal in South Korea for many years dating back to at least Starcraft: Brood War if memory serves. Meanwhile here in the West there's still a stigma attached to it, mostly from a lack of understanding of all that goes into it which in turn leads to prejudice. Yes it's playing a video game but just like in traditional sports the top players have to pour hours and hours into the game trying to improve their skills, mechanics and in the case of team play teamwork and synergy. Most of the major gaming orgs have analysts, coaches (including life coaches in some cases) and sometimes even professional chefs and trainers to help keep their players physically, mentally and emotionally healthy and fit, meaning it's not just solely staring in front of the screen. Making sure the players are in the best shape they can be allows them to do the best they can when they compete, which in turn helps justify their paychecks.
Take RIck Fox, a former top NBA player (and later an actor). He formed the esports org Echo Fox and has done much to help support esports and try to help remove the negative stigma attached to digital athletes and sports.
If you don't like esports that's fine. I personally don't like traditional sports anymore and find them boring compared to esports. That said I would suggest doing some more research regarding esports in general rather than blindly insult it based on the LoL scene alone as every game is different.
DoctorJHIN41 votesl don't watch any sports. And now we are in problem again. We can go in this in 2 directions. Either we use classic definition of sport which is 'an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment' Or we go by older definition which is 'playing any type of game for an audience'. If we go by first direction, stigma around esports is justified because of how media is trying to put it with the rest of real sports. And biggest problem lies in second definition, because in that case everything can be sport, rock, paper, scissors, cutting down a fruit and so on. Which as l and most people agree is kinda stupid. So it's either change and destroy entire definition of sport or keep sport as it is and call 'esports' for what they are competitive gaming.