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TSM & ROX Tigers @ Worlds

ShiishKabob··1 votes·1,516 views

Is this the year that the ROX Tigers win Worlds?

or

is it the year TSM steps up and gives SKT a run for the title?

I'm interested to hear everyone's thoughts... or will Edward Gaming have something to prove.

28 Comments

Serevas3 votes

TSM definitely looks incredible, EDG is always strong, I know Rox looks pretty solid, SKT never stops being a contender even if they didn't do so hot this past split.

I'd personally love to see TSM take the win at worlds, but that might be a tad overly optimistic. Anything is possible, but usually Korea and China are miles ahead of the western teams. I'm just hoping SKT doesn't win a third world championship, it begins to show a massive disparity in competition that makes worlds less interesting to watch.

Bob41311 votes

I think TSM will be highly competitive and is almost guaranteed to make it out of groups. I also think C9 and G2 have good chance at making it out, though likely as 2 seed. Both ROX and EDG will almost surely make it past the first round of the tournament, but never count SKT out. If their showing at MSI means anything, they are never to be underestimated. As for who wins, I think any of the four 1 seeds could take it. That being said, I would definitely say it is between ROX and EDG as the favorites to win it all.

Hardstuck G41 votes

TSM EDG ROX FW

TSM is gonna have it rough, I'll go ever every possible way they make it out of groups or don't. 1st Scenario- 6-0, highly unlikely, but might be possible if EDG chokes and ROX/FW get garbage 2nd Scenario- 5-1, again, highly unlikely. This means they have to beat every team at least once, and only give up one game 3rd Scenario- 4-2, almost likely, Beat each team once and one of them twice, or beat two teams twice and lose to another twice 4th- 3-3, most likely, very balanced, would need tiebreaker 5th- 2-4, no way they make it out if this is the case 6th- 1-5, just depressing 7th- 0-6, NA at worlds is a meme again

macdshifty1 votes

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I think TSM will be highly competitive and is almost guaranteed to make it out of groups. I also think C9 and G2 have good chance at making it out, though likely as 2 seed. Both ROX and EDG will almost surely make it past the first round of the tournament, but never count SKT out. If their showing at MSI means anything, they are never to be underestimated. As for who wins, I think any of the four 1 seeds could take it. That being said, I would definitely say it is between ROX and EDG as the favorites to win it all.

TSM almost guaranteed to make it out of groups? You realize TSM, SKT, RNG, G2 can all be in a group don't you?

iamleburk1 votes

TSM is looking quite a bit better than RNG and G2 according to most analysts.

macdshifty1 votes

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TSM is looking quite a bit better than RNG and G2 according to most analysts.

TSM is a big question mark. The way they win games is snowballing a lead they get from smashing teams in the early and mid game by having a better vision game and constantly invading. However up until now those teams have all been NA teams, mostly bad ones. Some other regions have a statistically far superior vision game and teams with heavy individual talent like RNG aren't going to get bullied out in lane and have their jg smashed.

What analysts said TSM looks better if you don't mind citing, maybe I'm overlooking something.

iamleburk1 votes

Monte has said they would win vs G2 on twitter, and I believe Karen Moser has commented on TSM vs RNG/EDG saying that TSM would do much better than most would expect. Unfortunately we can't use Riot analysts, as we don't know who's using them as a mouthpiece and they aren't allowed to be too critical of westerners.

macdshifty1 votes

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Unfortunately we can't use Riot analysts, as we don't know who's using them as a mouthpiece and they aren't allowed to be too critical of westerners.

This is a very sub-optimal situation, and is developing into a worrying trend.

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

Need to see the Group Draw to really predict anything However there are a few things before the Draw that we can make.

LCK KOREA STREAKS ARE MEANT TO BE BROKEN For the past 2 years every LCK team have went into the Playoffs after the Group Stage. SSW-SSB-NWS SKT-ROX-KT. HOWEVER- Samsung Galaxy looks to be the weakest team from the LCK in the past 3 years. Their team fighting wasn't great against KT in the LCK regional playoffs. KT looked dead in that series and it wasn't a very objective focused games more around Kills and clown fiestas. I'm predicting that SSG will NOT make it out of Groups, breaking the LCK 3 teams advancing streak.

NA NORTH AMERICA HOT n COLD NA Starts HOT FINISHES COLD. 2014 WORLDS TSM started the groups 2-0 to finish with a respectable 4-2. Losing their chance to avoid SSW in the QT after Losing to SK. LMQ started their groups 2-0 to only finishing 2-4 losing 4 straight games. C9 started their group 2-0 then losing 2 straight games and having to play a TIE-BREAKER against NWS in which they lost in doing so they had to face SSB in the QT.

2015 WORLDS C9 started their groups 3-0 and then losing their next 4 straight games. They lost 3 group games and had to go into ANOTHER TIE-BREAKER but this time LOST. 3-4 CLG started 2-0 in their group and the same thing that happened to LMQ a year previous they lost their next 4 games. Finishing with a 2-4 record in groups.

OVERALL NA starts off 11-0 in the first half of groups compared to the second half of groups where they are 4-17.

LPL CHINA TOP SEED ? EDWARD GAMING was China's top seed in 2014 and they had to play a TIE-BREAKER just to make it out of groups only to be eliminated in the first round of the Playoffs after groups. EDWARD GAMING was China's second seed going into the 2015 Worlds however with their line-up they went into groups for China in people's eyes as the TOP seed from China as they went to MSI/and Won the first split in the LPL but lost in the second split to LGD but yet again was quickly eliminated in the first round AGAIN of the playoffs. The same thing COULD happen to EDG again for a 3rd straight YEAR.

ShiishKabob1 votes

I agree with you. I don't think SSG will be making out of the group stage either. I don't know about you guys but come the group draw in two days, I feel sorry for the teams that are going to fall in the same group as Edward and Rox.

In soccer we would call this the GROUP OF DEATH

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

LOL ! Now if SSG turns into a new version of a combined SSW and SSB ........... NOW I would pick them to get out and they still might get out of Groups and everyone is talking about how X team improved, but SSG has improved the most out of all teams going into Worlds this year. They were at the bottom of the standings of LCK for a year or so even Spring Split I think they didn't make top 6 (I think) but just a great team but I see better teams from each region.

Stillname1 votes

There is no real reason to believe that a Korean team won't win but if every team was playing like they were in playoffs then SKT would be very unlikely to be repeat champs.

However, don't forget that there is around a month gap between finals for any given region and when the tournament starts so a lot could change. Who knows what mindset the players will show up with?

It will really be about which team can put their respective regions year in the past and properly prepare for the upcoming games because there is a lot of time for teams who are on fire to cool down or teams that look rusty to sure up.

ShiishKabob1 votes

I don't think I've ever been this excited about Worlds before but mainly because I feel like this is the year we are finally going to see a new champion. With all the great North American teams in the hunt and the Koreans and the Chinese, it's going to be exciting to see which North American team will rise up and accept the challenge.

TSM and C9 are definitely at the top of their game and CLG can never be counted out but Immortals inconsistent plays this year doesn't give me a lot of hope for them. Exciting times are ahead.

DREADN0UGHT1 votes

I would've been disapointed to see IMT go to worlds simply over the fact that some of their members don't look like they take the competition seriously.

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

Indeed just got done watching Pobelter's interview after the series with C9/ With Scarra.
Now it was right after IMT series with C9 and their World chances at that point was gone but Scarra asked Pobelter " Do you guys think you will head to Korea to bootcamp" Pobelter " no I don't see the point, because we are not going to Worlds "

Pobelter says some other stuff but at that point it was just ................ Ok so not going to go to Korea to train with A. TSM-C9-CLG ( 3 teams that beat IMT in the past) TSM 3-0 in SPRING Playoffs.///// CLG ending the IMT winning streak and the only team to do so in the Spring Split///// C9 beating you TWICE within month! Jesus!

B. EVERY team competing at Worlds are most likely going to TRAIN IN KOREA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sure your not going to Worlds but this is a good opportunity to find out if your team is good enough to had make it!!

Pobelter man GET OUT OF HERE !!

"Yeah but Worlds takes place here in North America and IMT can get World teams to scrim them instead paying money to go to korea" - Some random fan

  • Yes that may be true and let's say they do scrim other teams gj. However the invitation has to come FROM IMMORTALS! and what will it read

    Dear World teams,

  • Please Scrim us.
    we couldn't beat NA but we deserve Worlds. - Love IMT # deservechallengjour !

Shadowatom1 votes

Actually, I think that decision is partially on the Immortals management. Several players have been sent to Korea as positional coaches for various teams that are currently boot camping in Korea. The CEO apparently said it's so they can get experience in the step after they're done playing, which I can respect. If Pobelter was told to basically say they weren't going to Korea, but not give the reason, I definitely think he could've phrased it better. Either way I think IMT's CEO is pretty smart in how he operates and I think it was probably his decision that they don't boot camp in Korea for now (also the number of changes that will occur between Worlds and the start of next season will be pretty high, so they'll probably use IEM Oakland as a testing ground against an international field once they've figured out who's staying and who's leaving).

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

Yeah I just watched the video about the players getting various opportunities after they retire video, which is a smart and really a good thing for the players and for the E-Sports as I do wish E-Sports can be something that can be televised and expand in the future.

I didn't like the POB interview it just came off as salty tears (which is understandable) being they got like 3-1 but he didn't have to do the interview or just give 1-2 Real answers and just walk away after thanking the fans or whatever not just walk away halfway through the interview lol, but for the upside he did do the interview and I have to tip my hat to him for that.

Who would you replace on the team if you had to or would you keep the team the way it is now?

Shadowatom1 votes

I'd sort of like to see WildTurtle or Pobelter get subbed out every now and then just to really see what they're bringing to the table. I think the rest of the team is okay, Huni might leave which would be fine as long as he doesn't take Reignover with him. Reignover is their key player and they need to keep him around and try to build around him. I think Adrian is fine as their support. Only their ADC or Mid though, not both at the same time. They've come really close with what they have right now, so why do any big change right now when you're in the right area.

ShiishKabob1 votes

I think if Immortals just worked on being more consistent and able to clutch at the times they need to clutch, they would be in worlds right now. What sets SKT and CLG apart from everyone else is that they can be average during the season but when it counts, they show up and clutch and take their game to another level.

DREADN0UGHT1 votes

Worlds is going to be fucking hyping this year. The only year so far where everybody feels that NA has some challenge-worthy teams in TSM and even CLG and Cloud9 at this point.

The infrastructure and training processes behind these 3 old timer teams have really shown their effects on the results, the rosters are made up of veterans who are very serious about their training.

TSM has a really good shot at this in my opinion. SKT faltered a bit this season, and CLG already proved they could stand up to them at MSI even if they lost. That said, SKT shouldn't be the big threat here, ROX and EDG are far more monstrous competitors.

ShiishKabob1 votes

I don't know about you guys but If I was coaching TSM right before worlds and there was a 1 month gap, I would be desperately trying to get a hold of coach Phil Jackson, to get the team to spend a few days with the zen master.

:)

just saying

III BAKURYU III 3 votes

Triangle Offense Carry. Hauntzer-BJergsen-Doublelift.

Truly Prideful1 votes

If TSM and C9 keep playing like they have been NA might have a legitimate chance this year. I don't know how I feel about CLG currently, maybe they get it together in the practice leading up to Worlds. I just don't want to see SKT win again because repeat champions are boring in anything.

Iwinatlife421 votes

I believe in NA this Year we got close at MSI (even if it was CLG) and play has only improved(minus the Pheonix)

ShiishKabob1 votes

Feels bad for Immortals.

"For Immortals, this is a bitter end to a season with high points but not hardware. After a 17-1 Spring Split regular season, Immortals bottomed out in the semifinals, getting swept by sixth-seeded TSM. After a 16-2 regular season in the Summer, Immortals once again lost in the semifinals, and now misses out on Worlds"

I feel like they could have competed better at worlds compared to the Brazilian or Russian teams. Course I'm a little biased towards NA but still.

G121 votes

TSM, you are really taking an NA team into consideration? Kappa

xJLx MCHammer1 votes

TSM looks good in their region. If you actually watch the LCK games, just the recent finals and regional, you can see that they are still on another level. Like last year with FNC; they looked great in their own region. FNC did not lose one match up the entire split and they couldn't beat a runner up from Korea.

Haunt, Sven, and DL still holding TSM

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