Fantasy LCS Teams should not be allowed to surrender?

Suck My Sona·2/26/2015, 9:42:47 PM·3 votes·2,173 views

In the Game MYM vs. Elements ( which Krepo is now on!!! ) MYM surrendered fairly early in the game. This denies Elements on getting more cs and more kills , which in fact hurts their fantasy LCS score. If you are one of the few teams playing in the splits, you should not be here to surrender. I think it shows poor sportsmanship and they should not be allowed to do that. Did this surrender hurt anyone? If it did do you think they should be allowed to surrender? Why or why not.

14 Comments

Strommsawyer2/26/2015, 10:05:33 PM1 votes

I dislike the surrender mechanic in games like League quite a bit, but I understand why they have it. In some situations a game is just too far gone to recover.

For professional teams though (like LCS) I do think they should always play to the end, you never know what type of come back may happen. I can understand why they would surrender though I just don't think they should do it.

Smart Kitty2/26/2015, 10:13:33 PM1 votes

Yes, they still should surrender. People complained about the same thing last year when SK surrendered to Alliance, and they missed out on fantasy points. I'm pretty sure that's the main reason riot added the >30min wins bonus. Still, the teams should have the right to surrender if they see there is no possible outcome in which they are victorious. For one thing, it saves fantasy points for anyone who started them. For two, if they couldn't surrender, what's to stop a team from trolling and drawing out the game just to demoralize their opponents.

Sage Troy2/26/2015, 10:22:09 PM1 votes

Why is it poor sportsmanship? Surrendering is a mechanic that is part of the game. It is part of many other games where it is common (Chess, tennis etc.). It does not hurt elements, nor does it hurt LCS.

In this game MYM found a near perfect engage. Solar Flare and fish on rekkles, but they were too far behind so it wasn't enough. They can't (and won't) fight anymore. There is no point. They have 2 options. 1. Play extremely passive and give up every objective to Elements and hope they make a gigantic blunder or 2. surrender.

Fantasy does not matter. It has no bearing on actual LCS, professional teams are not concerned with fantasy scores while they are playing.

The only real argument to prevent surrendering would be because of the fans present at the game. They are the only people who are hurt by a surrender.

Amosdragon2/26/2015, 10:29:11 PM1 votes

Do you get money if you win your Fantasy match? No? Then why would you care? It's just a fun thing to compete with friends. Not a thing where you life is at risk if you lose.

Kroleigh2/28/2015, 5:11:36 PM1 votes

Not sure how a wood team even got on this roster, a /FF made sense to me. Just because the Browns are in the NFL doesn't mean anyone outside of Cleveland is rooting for the dog pound.

I would like to see more solid teams, not valiant individual effort. That is what will bring legitimacy to this sport.

Nucleophilic atk2/28/2015, 5:14:28 PM1 votes

Sorry, but they don't play the game for fantasy LCS stats bro. They play to win. They also play the same game as us so it would be stupid to not allow them to surrender.

Sýndra Bot3/2/2015, 9:55:45 PM1 votes

There should not be surrendering in eSports. It doesn't happen in physical sports and it shouldn't happen here. It is obviously an important mechanic in regular league, but with hundreds of thousands of people watching, it's bad showmanship. As a viewer, I feel cheated if the game ends in a surrender, and it's demoralizing to watch a team give up.

WD40PyRO3/3/2015, 8:13:01 PM1 votes

The problem with this discussion is the concept of professional gaming organizations. The word professional has certain societal constructs that build upon us all. The idea that a professional athlete (whether in physical or electronic sports) in any aspect surrenders is demoralizing for fans as well as an insult to the profession itself. Even against all of the odds, individuals/teams should endure losses even at a high cost. I have seen teams come back from the most unrealistic odds. It occurs in the LCS every year. Point given 1980 USA vs USSR Olympic Hockey. They lost a game like 13-2, but learned from it and came back later that year to win 4-3. These are moments fans and players all look forward too..

Giving teams the ability to surrender does not promote eSports in any shape or form. It may save time, but enduring through the hardships only assist these teams like MYM and Coast to understand their mistakes. Clearly, surrendering and going over film has not helped. They are still bottom of the standings.

Yes, Fantasy LCS was constructed to further explore the passion of the fans with the players of the game. I lost this past week by 4 points. These points would have been made up if Froggen would have been able to play longer than 20-25 minutes against MYM. No one raises an eye brow when their poor decision making in drafting for players that end up in games that go 70 minutes long complain. Let's be honest. No one wants to watch 8th and 9th place fight for 80 minutes to find out they are still facing relegation. The issue still remains the same that surrenders should never be allowed.

If surrendering is to be allowed. Out of respect for the fans and the sport...certain criteria should be met. Time. Gold Discrepancy. Objective Control. Etc. No one will surrender in baseball unless forced to by run rule. No one will surrender in basketball regardless if they lose by 50 points. No one will surrender in Super Bowl 48 even if they lose 43 - 8 and have to watch their entire season down the drain. They learn and build from losing with honor.

Thanks,