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NA is cursed by stubbornness

Walla says ez·5/16/2017, 1:25:27 AM·6 votes·1,150 views

Tie-break rules were set loooong time ago. NA fans had a lot of time to contest them, but they didn' t, obviously, untill the rule affects TSM. (RNG cof cof)

You think RIOT made a rule thinking "let s make it rly unfair so that every one will hate on us" or they tought "okay let' s see in which way we can make it
AS FAIR AS POSSIBLE" ? I know you can' t be happy when ur team gets out, but many options that were proposed by NA fans would make it unfair for G2 that held a 2-0 record vs FW. Again, rules were set in such a way where THE TEAM HOLDING A H2H lead vs the team(s) with the same score gets the priority. sounds unfair? okay.

please stop thinking that the way you would do it is better than the way riot made it. that' s arrogance.

NA is not better than EU, CN , LMS or KR. The reason most ppl around this forum think TSM deserved a spot in there is because they think that NA teams are actually better than teams from those regions. They are not. And as long as you keep thinking that NA is a top region, you will continue to be disappointed.

I' m a EU fan and I honestly don' t think EU is in a great spot either atm

That being said, I can' t help laughing listening to Crumbzz when he says "EU is like, everyone sit back, then everything becomes a fiesta, and a team gets ahead". If Crumbzz wants to see a fiesta, he should watch the tipical 50 kills game in NA LCS. If anything, EU has solid macro at the very least.

NA has to fix their own shit domestically before meming "EU LUL EU 50K VIEWS LUL" on twitch chat. LCK gets 30K... NA>KR?

consistently NA runs face up against a wall when it comes to international but every time fans come up with excuses and shittalks... tiebreak rules, H2K easy road, TSM is just tilted but they are super good, CLG beat G2...

I see 10 posts about tie-break rules but very few that talk about how poorly has TSM played (and drafted) when it mattered the most; can' t close out a 10k gold lead game? too bad. Fix that then we talk rules.

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Miror B5/16/2017, 1:29:37 AM4 votes

TSM had multiple chances to win other games (technically at least 3 if we're to assume that GAM is all about early game shenanigans). I say they deserve everything that's happened to them, as much like G2 last year they didn't take their competition seriously at all and costed their region a #1 seed because of it.

III BAKURYU III 5/16/2017, 2:56:46 AM2 votes

Hopefully NA can get their s$it together in the Summer and I do mean ALL NA teams, not just TSM/C9/CLG we need the bottom tier teams to actually step up and make the upper tier teams sweat during the Summer or the competition for NA when it comes to Worlds will be a blast in the face, similar to say MSI was this year for NA.

BigBellBrute5/16/2017, 3:14:16 AM2 votes

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Tie-break rules were set loooong time ago. NA fans had a lot of time to contest them, but they didn' t, obviously, untill the rule affects TSM. (RNG cof cof)

Exactly when was this official period for the fans to contest? When was it published? And what evidence do you have that Riot would have paid attention to the fans had they complained.?

You think RIOT made a rule thinking "let s make it rly unfair so that every one will hate on us" or they tought "okay let' s see in which way we can make it
AS FAIR AS POSSIBLE" ? I know you can' t be happy when ur team gets out, but many options that were proposed by NA fans would make it unfair for G2 that held a 2-0 record vs FW. Again, rules were set in such a way where THE TEAM HOLDING A H2H lead vs the team(s) with the same score gets the priority. sounds unfair? okay.

please stop thinking that the way you would do it is better than the way riot made it. that' s arrogance.

You conveniently define arrogance according to your own interests rather than using the dictionary definition. It is not arrogant to disagree with you or riot,
And yes my way is better because it's logical and consistent rather than haphazard.
Either it's 3-1>2-2>1-3 or it's a 3 team round robin tie break. It's not 3-1>2-2 but 2-2 =1-3. To do otherwise is illogical, inconsistent, and silly. And uh no, neither way I proposed would be unfair in any way to G2. Would using the tiebreaker consistently to put G2 3rd and TSM 4th be in any way unfair to G2? No.

NA is not better than EU, CN , LMS or KR. The reason most ppl around this forum think TSM deserved a spot in there is because they think that NA teams are actually better than teams from those regions. They are not. And as long as you keep thinking that NA is a top region, you will continue to be disappointed.

Nobody thinks NA is better than Korea. Nice try at a red herring. In fact most of us in NA are on record as saying it's the Koreans and then it's everyone else. I

I' m a EU fan and I honestly don' t think EU is in a great spot either atm

That being said, I can' t help laughing listening to Crumbzz when he says "EU is like, everyone sit back, then everything becomes a fiesta, and a team gets ahead". If Crumbzz wants to see a fiesta, he should watch the tipical 50 kills game in NA LCS. If anything, EU has solid macro at the very least.

NA has to fix their own shit domestically before meming "EU LUL EU 50K VIEWS LUL" on twitch chat. LCK gets 30K... NA>KR?

consistently NA runs face up against a wall when it comes to international but every time fans come up with excuses and shittalks... tiebreak rules, H2K easy road, TSM is just tilted but they are super good, CLG beat G2...

And all Eurotrash can come up with is to sweep the two worst teams in worlds last year under the rug and smack talk.

I see 10 posts about tie-break rules but very few that talk about how poorly has TSM played (and drafted) when it mattered the most; can' t close out a 10k gold lead game? too bad. Fix that then we talk rules.

Perhaps you missed the Fuck TSM thread, the Tired of TSM thread, the TSM needs to replace their jungler thread, The TrashSM thread, the TSM needs to fire Svensgeren thread, the wild turtle is the worst ADC ever thread, and myriad threads on the subject?

Eleshakai5/16/2017, 3:36:30 PM1 votes

I'll be honest with you Walook. I didn't look at the tiebreaker rules before now. I don't research the LCS rulebook because I'm not IN the LCS. I learn about rules when they become relevant.

Now that I know about this rule, I disagree with it. Not because NA lost because of it, but because it is a really poorly designed tiebreaker. In a 3-way tie, you either need to use head to head to determine the overall total placement, or not at all. There are absolutely way better ways to do a tiebreaker. And I will say this again if tiebreaker happens at worlds that puts NA ahead and eliminates china, or something silly like that.

It doesn't matter who gets screwed by bad tiebreakers, a team you hate getting screwed by bad tiebreaker rules doesn't suddenly make the rules good.

Kirius Dark5/16/2017, 4:51:42 PM1 votes

Agreed. NA/TSM werent even good enough to auto qualify for MSI and had to play their way in, yet so many think theyre top shit

Truly Prideful5/16/2017, 5:02:45 PM1 votes

I don't think they have any right to be mad. All TSM had to do was not choke away a huge lead and finish off G2 then there would be nothing to cry about. They earned their 5th place, maybe they'll be more prepared at Worlds.

JustA kleo5/17/2017, 7:38:34 AM1 votes

its the na mentality. you grow up with ppl all around you shouting "USA USA USA" all the time, you MUST think you are the greatest. facing reality is just something humans are horrible at.

yea eu sucks at the moment, BUT THE REALITY IS, besides season 4 we made it out of EVERY groups while na almost NEVER EVER did.

woodvsmurph5/18/2017, 11:47:11 PM1 votes

TSM didn't deserve to advance. That much was obvious from their multiple losses to GAM - the last place team. Not saying GAM isn't good, but they should lose to the best of other regions if those regions just don't lose their heads and play mindlessly agro. G2 has clearly made strides since last year and has some macro rather than a complete solo queue, but I wouldn't say they are amazing. For instance - their one game vs SKT where they had an early lead they relied solely on ashe arrows when they could have used flash zyra root/ult to force engages OR lee flanks to at least zone SKT - making it easy to follow up with ashe arrow. They never adapted when their strategy was clearly a failure.

Compare that to most LPL teams and to FW and you see the latter two pull off unpredictable pressure plays more often than not. This earns them leads and keeps leads growing when executed properly; it's not mindless high-risk-high-reward plays nor is it the straight forward predictable low-risk-medium-reward play that NA and EU typically do. This is why they tend to have better success vs LCK teams. The only EU team that seems to have some of this in their playbook and have any success with it is UOL. UOL isn't at the same level of execution on a consistent basis as FW or the top LPL teams, but they do reach or exceed that level when playing at their best. G2 should take some notes from UOL on this and learn to be less predictable in their early aggression. Make small sacrifices (flash sup engage knowing Mithy will die) to gain better rewards (won 4v4 teamfight and potential to force tower or baron). And if the enemy disengages? Great, zyra might even live, and you still combo your cc on the one person she catches and grab a kill. Next time the enemy has to blow multiple flashes to escape the engage or be forced to turn and fight. Better than waiting on ashe arrows that are just casually dodged.