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If LoL wants to be taken seriously as a sport, they need nerf throwing games on 1 fight

LQPrimeTime·7/24/2016, 4:18:43 PM·1 votes·614 views

Everyone saw it yesterday and I will put my TL disclaimer at the bottom so not to spoil, and to admit my biases etc.

1 fight late game wins the game. No other sport, and i say "sport" because league is trying to be in that scene with esports and espn, in no other sport, can you dominate a game all game long, BE AHEAD, and then lose of 1 play. NFL, you can't be up 21-7 and then throw 1 interception and lose the game. It takes a series of mistakes AND the other team converting on them. NBA, forget it, you will not win on 1 or even 3 plays if you are down 112-90. Baseball, this is the closest it gets, you in theory COULD win in the very last inning, but even that would be mistake after mistake and run after run. Soccer, if you lose on 1 play, aka the score was 0-0 and a last minute goal won, you weren't dominating anyway.

My first thought was death timers should never be 40 seconds, but then they wouldn't want games going too long. So my other thought was, the outter turrets maybe just need to have a ton of health. To where in order to win your team HAS to essentially win multiple team fights and knock 1 down each time. This also would fall more in line with we beat you 3/5 late game team fights and got your 3 objectives.

But 1 fight, all objectives down is just dumb.

We took a good step in doing best of 3s to decide who is actually the better teams, we need to take a step now in game to determine who is actually the better team in the game.

I imagine for 1 team when they win this way it must feel good for their fans and for them, although i did see some disappointed faces like "i can't believe we won that way we played horrible". But another small rare issue this is in the same category of is backdooring. This is something that also allows a good game end wack. Or a team dominating, clearly the better team, losing by 1 wack play. I actually think turret health in this situation would also help because 1 person wouldn't be able to just take out an entire nexus defense by themselves.

SPOILER and my disclaimer Now I am a TL fan so obviously I was mad, but I think every player, and every team hates this happening to them, and it isn't a true test of who is a better team. And as far as me being a fan, i came away thinking F that, i'm ready for playoffs, 3-1 cloud 9, and CLG should have been a win, clearly the team is fine.

I know clg fans are going to argue, and random people are going to just want to debate. Argue all you want, it happens to your favorite team too, and it happens to you directly when you play. And you know you don't like the system.

9 Comments

Flaherty7/24/2016, 4:51:25 PM4 votes

The main difference between League and traditional sports is that every sport has a scoring system that determines the win after a certain amount of time or a score threshold is reached. Riot would need to change League so that after like 30 minutes whoever has the highest score (kills, assists, towers taken, gold generated, inhibs taken, etc.) wins. That would destroy the whole strategy portion of the game, however, because kills would matter the most. It sucks when dominating a game can lead to a loss after one mistake but that's part of the nature of the game and what makes it different from other games. More often than not a losing team won't win suddenly, but it does happen. That's what makes playing the game fun even when you are losing because there's a chance to come back, otherwise being somewhat dominated would just cause everyone to give up which isn't fun to play or to watch.

BigBellBrute7/24/2016, 10:42:26 PM3 votes

If you're leading the vast majority of laps, you dominated the race. You've been given several examples. You've rejected them all not because it is logical to do so, but because they don't fit your meme. Liquid lost. They lost fair and square. They lost because CLG was the better team. There wasn't anything unfair about it. The better team doesn't let that happen. Nor was Liquid up the equivalent of 35-0. The equivalent of 35-0 was Immortals in record time. Liquid modest and humble? Matt chance of that.

BigBellBrute7/24/2016, 5:35:31 PM3 votes

Racing is a popular sport. In F1, you can dominate the race, have a pit stop that lasts 5 seconds instead of 3, and lose. In Nascar, you can dominate the race and end up missing slightly on your last set of tires and you lose. You can lose a race you dominated on fuel mileage. You can have one little warble on one turn and lose. In track, a hurdler can be totally winning, clip a hurdle, and it's all over. Have a bad baton pass in a relay and you're done.

Liquid consistently claims they were the better team and that they lost it rather than the other team won it. Well not making errors that lose games is part of the game. So if you're consistently saying we lost rather than they won that is an indication that you are making errors costing you games. So in fact, the team not making said errors is the better team that day.

The hail Mary, can be one of the most exciting plays in football. So is the back door play in LOL. Neither should go anywhere any time soon. The most exciting play of the day was P1's rengar back door. And if you can't mind your back door, were you in fact, the better team? Probably not.

Is TSM a better team than P1? Yes. They may be the best team in NA. But for two games on the fateful day in question, P1 was in fact, the better team.

AramsAreBest7/24/2016, 4:43:52 PM2 votes

Sports teams can dominate a game without being far ahead in score.

Axe2Handle7/24/2016, 10:50:49 PM2 votes

Agreed, NFL needs to put Nexus Turrets in the Endzones.

Blåbæret7/24/2016, 10:55:52 PM2 votes

Sorry bro, but TL threw the game yesterday. They had no reason to go for the drake and actually died because of it. They made a ridiculous mistake (looks like bronze play) and lost because of it.

Is it stupid when a team's been dominating the entire game and then loses the game due to 1 fight? Sure, but not when it's the result of cockyness and straight out terrible decision-making (like it was in TL's case).

They could've ran down mid lane for an ez win. Instead they decided to AFK around drake and start a teamfight when drake's hitting them with 4 drg buffs.

Kings Avatar7/24/2016, 10:48:00 PM2 votes

the racing examples most certainly count. your just picking and choosing and as the one guy said league doesnt work on a point system. where as in football if a team pull 3 touchdowns ahead and its the last 4 minuets of the 4th quarter its basically over because of time. i mean i could argue that baseball can be similar in some situations. a team has a bad inning where a grand slam happens they fall 4 runs behind then another man scores, 5 runs down in 1 inning. obviously its not the same because its not a if you get x amount of runs ahead you win its a when the game ends whoever has the most wins. i dont know what you consider a sport but if you consider or atleast think of league being a sport ill assume you are ok thinking pool or billiards is a sport. iv seen many games where someone is on a hot streak and they run the table (meaning they sink everyball needed to win). iv seen many where the other guy never gets out of his chair and never has a chance to even touch the queball. do they need to change pool because someone was lucky or good? same thing applies to league.

LQPrimeTime7/24/2016, 8:00:30 PM1 votes

And to be fair, Riot already does see this as somewhat of an issue, if not small since they have tweaked death timers. I just think a more elaborate death timer system or simply more health to turrets would help. Not stall games, but just make it nexus turrets an actual challenge. Also this won't happen, but I would like to see it happen in theory, in order to win a game, you need to atleast win in a best of 3 team fight, just like a best of 3 series. Maybe that means you need to win a 35min team fight, and have time to take a turret, then win another late game team fight, take the other turret, or maybe the other team wins 1. Then you can say you objectively beat them multiple times to win the game.

LQPrimeTime7/24/2016, 7:53:42 PM1 votes

Racing isn't a valid argument because you aren't dominating per say, everyone is still in contention and still on the same lap, unlike a 35-0 nfl game. Also very rarely does a pitstop error decide a race. But in League, a bad team fight late happens all the time. And it is a game that you can't just "not fight". And i am not convinced F1 is a good comparison, considering how heavily dominated the races are and the manufacturers and how little parity there is.

Boxing would be a more fair comparison since it is more of a battle. And again it is rare for someone getting beat up all match to get 1 good fight and win, except Rocky. If a boxer did get a clean lucky shot in the last round or even 2nd to last, the scoring would allow for the better player to win.

Baseball, Golf, Tennis, Soccer(sort of) don't have a time based scoring system to determine a win. All of those, it is just whoever outscores the other.

Plenty of times in gold someone has been like -18 and then 2nd place be -7. And if they triple bogeyed on the last hole or even last 2 holes that doesn't guarantee a loss like League.

I really don't think you have to change the whole system, and scoring and the way league works. Sometimes a team can play from behind and win. I just think wins need to be more decisive. Objectives are NOT objectives at 35min and 40min+ and they should be. You should have to systematically and definitively win the game.

Liquid will be pretty modest and humble and should say it is their fault. That is what athletes are trained to say "it shouldn't have gone that long to begin with if we were good enough". But that doesn't make the system right.