So this has happened twice already this week

ljt117·Mar 12, 2017·9 votes·1,305 views

Earlier it was giants gaming who had a huge lead(8k on 25min?) and forced to a rematch because of a bug. Now it happens again as LGD also had a huge lead( ACED QG and got baron and 1 inhib), but forced into a rematch. I'm just wondering is there any other way around it other than just a rematch when the lead is huge but not huge enough to rule 1 team to autolose ? For example, give the team that has the lead one win, but extend the series. For example, if it's a BO3, and LGD is 1-0 against QG and has this huge lead, can we give LGD a win, but extend this series into BO5? Therefore the series will stand as LGD 2-0 QG, QG still has a chance, meanwhile LGD got the advantage which is deserved. If it happens on a BO5, then extend it to BO7 and do the same. The gold lead or situation grant this can be judged, I'm not sure what margin is fair yet. I know this way sounds a bit ridiculous, and maybe there's another better way to resolve it. However, it's really painful to see the automatch when there's a convicing lead on one team. It has happened again and again.

17 Comments

BorkahnMar 12, 20174 votes

I'd have to say I agree. Doing a rematch when the gold lead is 8k you said? LCS terms, an 8k gold lead is usually the winning team. I don't agree with the rematch.

ljt117Mar 12, 20173 votes

Plus that was only 25 min in

III BAKURYU III Mar 12, 20171 votes

I'm not going to lie I didn't read too much about that chronobreak thing but couldn't Riot had used that in some of these games, find out what the bug is and eliminate it and restart like 5 secs before the bug happened ?

ljt117Mar 12, 20171 votes

I'm guessing it's probably not perfect yet.

ModPrandineMar 12, 2017

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I'm not going to lie I didn't read too much about that chronobreak thing but couldn't Riot had used that in some of these games, find out what the bug is and eliminate it and restart like 5 secs before the bug happened ?

Currently it's only available in NA in a very bare bones format (in other words it's still in development) so right now it's not ready to be released into the other regions of the world.

GeminiRuneMar 12, 20171 votes

I'm starting to think that the reveal of the Chronobreak tool has begun to warp the perception of viewers. And I wouldn't go as far as to assume that nobody doesn't already know about the tool by now. Given these two situations though, I do hope that they can get a functional version of the tool around before the summer split.

Now granted you slightly acknowledged the similar scenario that occurred in the GIA vs VIT game. But that's not what happened; you're sugarcoating a grievance that was not to the same magnitude. LGD had a lead true and the bug issued a remake...in Game 1. Even if LGD was granted the automatic win, they still lost the next two. The only thing they'd be provided as a result would be a boost in game differential, which would only put them at -4, still 2 points behind OMG and still in relegation zone.

Also, what sounds a bit ridiculous has been a recurring trend from time to time. There's no indication as to when a bug can happen and emerge impactful. It's just as of this week, remakes rise again from issues that happen beyond the 15 minute mark. But at any point, a bug can feel robbing of a losing team that still believes they can win. There have existed gold deficit turnarounds as well this week. It's just in this game's case it was a bit more possible but still unlikely than the previous situation.

Here's a scenario: you're in a promotion series on the winning team with something like the A.Sol bug 28 mins in pushed at inhib turrets with baron but still a means to lose team fights. Pause occurs. Either:

You get the choice to understand what happened and accept the remake decision
You just tell the opposing team to "suck it up and take the loss."

Now put yourself on the other side. Either:

You say "we can't win with this bug; it's not fair" and call to surrender with your team who may think otherwise.
You take the granted reprieve and reset your mind in an unfortunate situation.

I can feel sympathy for the leading team that had their game taken away because of something unintentional. But I don't think that should warrant an automatic win unless there's a surrender or forfeit. That sounds unprofessional then because the rewarded team didn't really win on top of the backlash and outrage that happens regardless.

ljt117Mar 12, 20173 votes

What I'm trying to suggest is at least give the winning team "something", less than automatic win in the series, but something meaningful. That's the goal of my suggestion. Maybe my strategy still rewards too much to the winning team, but the point is to give winning team something. I hope that chronobreak thing will work perfectly soon, then this will not be an issue. It rises this week, but It's an old topic. Just think about how long people joke about "froggen" when there's a long pause or so in LCS games. Plus it even happened on world stage again in S5.

CheekynorthMar 12, 20171 votes

I don't watch the tournaments, what was the bug?

ljt117Mar 12, 20171 votes

You mean the LGD series? They said it was tahm kench's W bug.

CheekynorthMar 12, 20171 votes

There's a few bugs with Tahm's W. Which one in particular?

ljt117Mar 12, 20171 votes

What they said was tahm could not use the W at all, but some people pointed out tahm has used that in the baron fight so.... Edit: QG's support said the bug was tahm can't cast the W on his ad carry, but can work on other people.

CheekynorthMar 13, 20171 votes

That's weird.

ljt117Mar 13, 20171 votes

The bug is clear now, it was a bug that tahm can't use the W on jhin because of jhin's edge of night shield.

RaiyzaMar 13, 20171 votes

It's really the only fair way to do it.

It sucks more to lose because of something you have no control over. Instead of handicapping the other team, the winning team can just pull off more skill and gain a lead again.

It sucks, but because its a game, thats one of the risks in professional play.

ljt117Mar 14, 20171 votes

Well, despite they are pro players, the psychological impact of such things is real difficult to overcome. Yes they are much better than us on playing the games, but are they that much better on overcome such psychological impact? I'm not sure. Most of them are still kids to be fair, 18, 19 years old?

RaiyzaMar 14, 20171 votes

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Well, despite they are pro players, the psychological impact of such things is real difficult to overcome. Yes they are much better than us on playing the games, but are they that much better on overcome such psychological impact? I'm not sure. Most of them are still kids to be fair, 18, 19 years old?

Oh I'm sure psycologically it sucks hard. But that wasn't the point of my post.

My point was that if one team had a huge lead and they were about to win, but the other team accidently uncovered a bug in which one of their abilities, for example, somehow prevented the winning team's jungle from using smite. This results in the winning team losing baron in a steal. The game then spirals out of control, and happens again at the elder dragon. This results in the team fight going in the losing teams favor. They rush down mid with the baron buff and elder. They win the game.

That kind of scenario is horrible for the winning team because they had absolutely no control over it. The only fair thing to do is to rematch. That way, the losing team doesn't win unfairly, and the winning team doesn't lose unfairly.

Another example is when CLG vs TSM faced off I think in the summer split. Huhi played Aurelion Sol but they found a bug where the Stars wouldbe visible around a brush, but Aurelion wasn't actually in it. Forced a rematch. CLG had like a 5k gold lead.

It sucks, but it's the fairest thing to do.

ljt117Mar 14, 20171 votes

Well I point out the psychological thing because I don't think it's fair to the winning team. Especially when the lead is commanding and one bug on a skillshot may not matter. If the winning team got the advantage"because of the bug", just like your first example, then sure rematch is fair. However, if not, then just like your second example, it already sounds unfair to CLG because they don't benefit that much from the bug. If the gold lead was even larger, the fairest thing to do is still rematch? I think the winning team should at least get "something" in that situation, my strategy might reward too much, but I think there should be a reward to make it more fair than just a pure rematch.