I am stilll a C9 fan.
Even though they suck.
Incarnation has a lot of potential. I think C9 will come back next year.
Even though they suck.
Incarnation has a lot of potential. I think C9 will come back next year.
Getting to Worlds after placing 7th in the NALCS was a serious feat in and of itself. Perhaps next year they can get back to the top of NA, and use that momentum to make a bigger impact in at Worlds.
They really need to go in with more than one strategy though. Once it fell apart here, the entire team completely collapsed.
Looking forward to next year. C9 always seems to bring something new (then repeat it over and over again, unfortunately), and I never get tired of watching them, even when they're struggling.
They had a very good first week and their strategy surprised everyone, even a favorite for the title. Unfortunately once they got figured they lacked depth and ideas to adapt but you definitely have a reason to be proud of them.
Of course Incarnati0n has potential, he's European!
Of course Fnatic is doing well. They have more of the Korean Master Race than C9.
Ok, I am a little salty. But Taiwan are the only region who don't load up on Koreans. Taiwan second best region comfirmed!
who is NOT gonna still be a fan? those people are the ones who cheer for the flavor of the month tema and play the flavor of the month champion. makes me sick and honestly for the people that make these nice posts we all have been fans even before worlds so lets all hear it one more time. C9C9C9C9C9C9C9C9C9C9
C9 HYPE TRAIN CHUGS ON TO TOMORROW!
༼ つ ◕◕ ༽つ C9 TAKE MY ENERGY ༼ つ ◕◕ ༽つ
Been a fan ever since I started paying attention to Pro League. Addmitedly I only got on board with c9 at first bc I love their colors / logo / shirts. Once i saw them play and got to understand how good of friends they all are, I knew i could never leave :D
#C9HYPE
My friend showed me a video during the interview of Fnatic with Sjokz where I think Hai showed them the middle finger in the background, damn I lost all respect for them even if it was little when I saw it.
I agree; as a C9 fan I was disappointed at the lack of sportsmanship. Still, if you see what professional athlete's do to each other in the heat of the moment... a middle finger is mild (still uncalled for).
I think it was a joke because Feb said that AHQ would win
Showing someone the middle finger on a highly watched stream is a joke? Whatever Fab said was the truth, the middle finger can't be a joke especially in professional play, it was just bad sportsmanship, I see that you support them but that's not a reason to defend them blindly.
Pretty sure if people can call other teams bad etc we can handle a little middle finger. Let's be real here it is the closest to trash talk Hai has ever done I think we can let it go. C9 has legit been the least trash talking team NA ever had I think they are allowed to be sassy the same as any other player. Even if what Feb said was the truth which I consider arguable to an extent I think Hai is allowed to go "fuck your opinon." Which is the right of any person. He himself said it was a joke on Twitter and not to be taken seriously the dude's been pretty honest through his career. No reason to doubt him now.
He didn't call them bad without a reason, he explained it politely and it was the truth, he said they only knew one thing to do and that was their downfall. That's the truth.
My friend showed me a video during the interview of Fnatic with Sjokz where I think Hai showed them the middle finger in the background, damn I lost all respect for them even if it was little when I saw it.
I mean, to me, personally, a middle finger is nothing. Cursing, shit talking, 'profanity', etc. is just normal. I'm a foul mannered person, and none of that shit offends me in anyway.
HOWEVER, I understand that flipping someone the bird is a cultural thing to america (Hai being an American [I think]), this holds some pretty heavy negative connotation to it, and it was uncalled for. I don't find anything wrong with it personally, I feel like people should be able to express their emotions in near any avenue they want so long as it doesn't physically harm someone or emotionally scar them (If you get emotional trauma or scarring over a middle finger or a few bad words thrown at your face, you need to check that. Just my opinion.). However, I understand why people can be mad over that.
Even though Hai was a bit of an ass there,....
C9 IS GOD
My view as a huge C9 fan to the whole finger episode is this:
Yes, it was uncalled for, and I am a little disappointed in Hai for doing that, but this was a very stressful, disappointing day for C9 as a whole, and hai in particular as the undisputed leader of C9. And when hai heard febiven predicting AHQ to win, he quickly showed the middle finger. I don't know hai personally so this is all conjecture on my part, but this didn't seem like premeditated BM to me, more like a sudden outburst of anger and frustration.
Do I excuse the move? No. But to me saying that one outburst of irritation after a tough day makes someone "lose all respect for C9" is a little harsh. Especially for a player who as far as I know has never been known to BM in the whole of his previous competitive career.
So this really doesn't affect my view as a of fan of C9. That is just my thoughts on the matter though.
I hoped on the C9 train cause I liked their logo. Will probably root for them next year unless a new team with a cooler logo comes out.
If you're not a fan of someone because they're not #1 you're not a real fan.
I'm not a C9 fan, but I noticed that a lot of people gave C9 more credit than they deserved. Sure they pulled of those wins with that strat for the nice 3-0, but everyone ASSUMED they had something else in their back pocket ready.. cause like .. EVERYONE realized how predictable their current strategy was, even filthy casuals like me.. so obviously they had back ups ready and prepped for countering the counter comps right? They pros! No way they'd be a one trick pony right?..right??
Though If they ran that Yasuo comp against IG, they MIGHT have won one game. I enjoyed incarnation's yasuo. Also get rid of Balls, and build it from the ground up with sneaky and incarnation. C9 Rush Jungle pls?
I feel like they were trying to hide their other strategies until they got out of groups - the problem with that, though, is that they should've been playing like they were from the beginning of the run from 7th place - big risks - and play like they had nothing to lose. That's how they ran all the way from almost-relegated to Worlds.
Instead, they went for the same strat over and over again. Maybe Hai just wanted to give Incarnation more experience with zone control/siege mages, since he's an assassin player? I wouldn't put it past him, he's been trying to mold Incarnation for a while now.
Balls needs to be replaced, no doubt about that. Like, he's good, don't get me wrong, but he's not world class (or rather, the bar has been raised a lot higher by the big boys - Marin, Ssumday, Smeb, Koro1 - etc.)
Rush most likely won't be joining C9, let's be honest =P Rush + Impact is too good of a combo to not use - and I doubt they'll both go to C9. If they do, it might be interesting, though. Who else would be good candidates? Meteos coming back is the most likely scenario. There aren't a lot of options for Jungle. For Toplaners, maybe wingsofdeathx? If he's willing to go pro. Xpecial is currently benched for Liquid, he could prove to be a decent replacement for lemonnation.
I quote WingsofDeathx from a stream I watched: "I have no current plans to go pro, dude... but if, like, a favorable opportunity comes up, I'd probably do it"
Also I would have it known that Wangs used to have some ties to TSM. So with Dyrus retiring there is a hint of TSM Wings in my mind. BUT he is also pretty good friends with Hai, which gives him a shoe in with C9, so who knows! I would LOVE to see Wangs go pro, the interviews would be great.
I agree with the C9 Xpecial. Anyone from Team 8 could pop up on an NA LCS roster, since T8 got relegated. (not Cali tho, he went back to school) Don't forget that CST Cris is a GREAT top laner in challenger. He is definitely a viable replacement for either C9 or TSM.
Unfortunately Meteos coming back doesn't look to likely, as there is rumor in the streets that he is starting his own team.
Whatever happens with LCS rosters for next season, I'm excited to see it!
Cris is on Team Coast, which will be in NA LCS this comign Spring 2016, so that's out.
Really? I must have misunderstood the promotion tournament. I thought LA Renegades beat out Coast for one of the 2 spots. My bad
Lol nah Renegades and Coast are both in
TDK and Enemy eSports are out
Hai should get most valuable teammate award. To back after getting bashed by community and "fans", health problems, take c9 from the dumpster and show them, that they are actually really good team, change his lane and still secure spot at Worlds is pretty amazing. I also love how dynamic and aggressive his playstyle is right now.
I don't even think that you can find guy like that in other regions.
My question is: Will Hai stay? There are reasons for him to leave, there are reasons for him to stay. I will not be suprised either way, but the odds of c9 being on top of NA right away if Hai leaves aren't too good, there is no arguing that.
Losing Lemonnation is going to be huge. He will be VERY hard to replace.
Hai as well :(
Balls was weak top lane but Lemon was terrible bot. Insisting to run Morgana support into any/every comp they faced was worthless, as was his Karma addiction prior to that.
There is potential, it will be interesting what happens during the offseason with all the retiring going on. Incarnati0n and Sneaky are still top of the region.
Just because a team loses in the worlds does not mean they are bad. They are just not the best. I am still a C9 fan because I like the players and their strats. Winning is not everything.
The question is, though - who's gonna replace Hai (who came out of retirement to save C9) and Lemonnation (who I heard was retiring after Worlds)?
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The question is, though - who's gonna replace Hai (who came out of retirement to save C9) and Lemonnation (who I heard was retiring after Worlds)?
This is the interesting thing. Incarnation and Sneaky are both mechanically good players. Balls should probably be replaced. I assume Hai and Lemonnation are retiring.
I can't say for sure, but I would Imagine Balls sticks around another split or two. Not that I would be surprised if he left now, I wouldn't. I'm pretty sure Hai only committed to come back for however far C9 made it postseason, which means he can leave now, but doesn't have to. I would imagine he leaves now, though, as he initially retired (in part) for physical reasons.
IDK about lemon. Ive heard he is retiring, but nothing official, or as moving as the Dyrus interview Q.Q
I completely agree. It's a shame about Lemon Nation wanting to retire in the off-season, but I think with the given time to get their synergy back and work out some issues. I think Cloud 9 will come back stronger than ever. Especially now that Incarnation has found his groove within the team.
Regardless of this out come at worlds. I'm extremely proud of them for making it so damn far despite the challenges they faced.
same. just disappointed as fuck
I too am still a C9 fan, and though they're out of the running, I thank them for the happy memories I will always treasure.
My favorite C9 memory from this year is when I was eight years old, playing the original Legend of Zelda. I spent a looooong time checking every bush, trying to find Level 2.
Tbh, and I'm ashamed to say this, I thought this would happen since the start of the season. When they didn't seem like their normal selves at the start of the spring split, when they faltered against TL in spring playoffs, when TSM beat them in the finals, and especially after Hai left. Then, Balls had his first loss on his legendary Rumble. I rooted for them all the same but....deep down I knew they weren't as good as before. Hai coming back helped obviously, Incarnati0n began to show his potential and the rest of the team seemed more confident. Nevertheless, I think next season will be their comeback. New jungler and new support will be big changes, I hope they find good replacements that are worthy of wearing the blue and white.
Can't really help but be proud of the team. The run they made from the end of the split through that first week of worlds was just great. Going to be interesting to see what roster changes they make.
I still want to be a C9 fan, though I don't know if I can unless something changes, and that something for me is Hai. Give anyone else on the team any slack you want, but 2 things showed the second weekend of worlds: Their pick phase was horrid (same champs/strat constantly), and their shot-calling was terrible. One thing I have noticed over time is that while Hai's shot-calling 'for the team' can be good, he screws up a lot of solo plays and can't shot call for himself too well (maybe he's watching the map too much, too worried about other lanes?). Also this weekend he blew a lot of play calling at barons and dragons. If it wasn't his call, then who made it, and why isn't Hai taking charge? Whether someone else's call or Hai's, it's a problem, and it's his problem.
I wasn't impressed with his individual play this weekend, and his Lee Sin was really lacking when he picked it. He also spent too much time early farming and not ganking regardless of pick. I think it would have been better to leave the team as it was with Meteos, and let a new shot-caller get practice. Yes, by the time Hai subbed in they recovered and made it to worlds, but I think w/o Hai the team would have got more games/more practice together with Meteos (who is still apparently good enough C9 is letting him start his own team), and had enough shot calling practice to come back stronger next season. Instead, if Hai in fact does leave, they will now have to work with two new people instead of just one (also based in Lemon retiring).
I think we (C9 and it's fans) sacrificed a playoff birth this season for a stronger next season, and now next season will be their trial run with a new jungler, shot-caller, and support. Bringing back Hai hurt more than it helped in the long run.
A) Their week 2 pick / ban was much more diverse (not that it worked) than week 1. B) A Jungler plays with much less vision of their "lane" and has many more things to do in more places on the map than a Laner. To expect Hai to be on par during lane phase with other junglers is a bit much, given that he only months ago made the switch back to c9 jungler (Yeah, he was their jungler before Meteos was on the team). C) Meteos LEFT. Jack didnt say "Yo, Meteos you hit the bench lets put Hai in at Jungle". No. Meteos (from my understanding based on interviews and his talking on stream) left because he saw a team around him that didn't function the same without Hai, and it wasn't what he wanted. Hai came OUT of retirement to BECOME a starter for c9 again. D) Meteos is starting a new team? How much u wanna bet Sneaky goes and plays on that team, and that they call it Meteos' Butthole? E) Lemon is retiring? Oh gosh, news to me :(
On your last comment, I don't think it hurt more than it helped. Look at it this way, Meteos left, leaving an open spot. C9 now can A) fill this with a member they never played with b4. or B) Bring back Hai, someone who is familiar with the roster, and can bring back an air of familiarity to the team.
However, I will agree that the recent roster changes for c9 have been chaotic. However, any roster change for a team can be catastrophic as easily as revolutionary. What is in store for TSM? Will they take their former streamer / sub WingsofDeath? He IS a strong laner who does pretty well left to his own devices. Who else might they bring (to be fair i really doubt they bring on Wings.)
What about LA Renegades? they JUST promoted to LCS, and then Maplestreet leaves, do you think they can get an equal - better fit?
I loved old c9, I miss old c9. But while the players change, the blue and white wont. So remember....
#C9HYPE
EDIT: Im bad at writing, 2 sentences start with 'however' back to back? LEL
"Same"
C9 overcame all odds to even make it to worlds. Then they showed up really well in Week 1. Nothing to be ashamed of. All of America did its best, but they were beat fair and square. In life we do not always get the outcome we want. Which is what makes it so special when one of our teams performs so well. My hats off to CLG, C9 and TSM. Thank you for enjoyable games. Hope your next year is more successful! If anything they proved just how close they are to closing the skill gap.
Honestly, I don't really care that they lost. Being a fan because they're doing good isn't called being a fan. I like C9 because they fucking play Draven and Kha Zix in the Qualifiers.
just filled out my bracket.. have them slated to win worlds
Agreed. Cloud 9 made an amazing run! If they had won one more game they would've taken the cinderella story even further. Cloud 9 showed the world that you can't ever count out a team. Worlds is getting more and more competitive every year and the skill gap between teams is decreasing. I fully expect to see C9 come out swinging next year.
Being a CLG fan is like being in a bad relationship. You think it'll be better this time, until nope.
They ultimately lost because Balls' poor play forced them into one strategy. The worlds patch put pretty much all emphasis on the top lane, and by Worlds Balls was the least productive player on the team, and had been for pretty much the entire season. The Pentakill was cool, but they were punished for their weaknesses, which since season 4 has pretty much been a lack of a champion pool and mechanical skill in key positions. In season 4 it was Hai, and here in season 5 it was Balls. I anticipate when they come back next season they will have a new support, top laner, and coach. I believe Hai is going to be kept on as a Jungler. (unless they have said otherwise)
Ive supported C9 for along time and even though they are out of worlds, theya re still my favorite. I dont know what happened to them that last day but they got slaughtered. Even watching the matches they won, I was not too impressed with Lemonnation as Morgana.
Incarnation did real good
I cant really critique it too much because the pros have alot different play style them people play on normal games Ive played. All the teams just run around through jungle from the start and then they end up switching it up in the lanes and its awesome how it works out but so confusing to me haha. Ive played LOL for years and its so different
You sir are a true fan. C9 had a good run. Though I really thought all of you saying take my energy was really annoying. I'm kind of glad that can stop now.
I thought the take my energy thing was funny, but I guess that is because I am a C9 fan.