C9 would have beaten IMT if sneaky picked something besides JHIN

He was never in a good place to ult. they almost always killed the front line before he would even try to get off the curtain call.

Wild turtle took professional level advantage of the fact that they couldnt trade fast autos. Well Done Sir.

Jhin is not garbage -- he's the opposite, really. Thing is, he requires a brain in order to use well, and even the "pros" are morons who can't play anything more thought-intensive than an ADC that does nothing but right-click or someone with targeted abilities. So, I'm not really surprised they can't play him.

Feeding Kalista first blood also contributed into turning Turtle into an unstoppable monster.

"Sterak's needs to be melee only, period." Also this. It was retarded seeing Kalista jump into 4 people because she knew very well she could NOT be bursted down because of this stupid item combined with the lifesteal.

Seems Riot is going lazy way on PBE and nerfing it for everyone instead of making it melee only.

WT wouldn't been able to be as crazy as he was, if they first picked kalista+alistar. Like they first picked nidalee... I have to agree.

Also shows how BS steraks is. Also pls nerf lux.

the real reason they lost is because they had lee sin as their jungle, the champ is just so weak that they couldn't output the burst needed in those insanely awesome fights. I MEAN CMON GUYS THAT WAS THE BEST LCS GAME ALL YEAR. but seriously though if they had the likes of something with more damage and cc like say zac or graves i firmly believe they wouldve won that game. also sneaky getting caught out at level 1 didnt help either. There was also that kalista had steraks sheild and maw sheild, and nidalee heals as well as life steal so like she was phreakin tanky and dealing insane damage. Steraks is literally that item that all ad champs build because of how broken it is. but i just feel like lee sin is just a bad pick because hes just weak in comparison to other jungles. Nid was stronger graves is stronger, poppy is stronger, hell skarner jungle is better in almost every reguard besides ganks pre 6 so thats just my take on it.

I don't think it had to do with Jhin necessarily. They fed Wirldturtle, and he went nuts in that game. Really the only reason they won. Everyone one else was pretty much loosing, except Reignover but he was falling off.

I think the Jhin was a bad pick, but they still could have won that game had they not made some really bad choices. I look forward to seeing IMT / C9 in a bo3.

I really think people give WT too much credit when Adrian is at least 50% of the reason why he's doing so well. As Braum he was a literal human shield that game and helped WT win what was a losing laning phase despite WT getting first blood. Even with Braum's shield Jihn was out trading WT early on. C9 didn't have a protect-the-carry support for Sneaky to hide behind.

#RespectYourSupport

Didn't they actually get few kills only cuz of Jhins range?

Jhin just doesn't get enough out of his autos to make up for the 2.5 seconds he needs to reload. Yes, he gets AD multipliers with crit and attackspeed, but he needs a lot of items to get that damage and by the time he does, all other ADC's out DPS him. He doesn't do enough damage with his 4 autos to make up for the amount of consistent damage other ADC's have.

Problems Jhin has.

1. Terrible at taking turrets. This is very bad in competitive because it's one of the main reasons you even have an ADC to begin with.

2. ADC's do good damage late because of multipliers with attack speed, crit, and AD. Without ridiculous numbers, Jhin can't compete with the DPS of other ADC's, this is more a numbers problem though that can be tweaked easy.

3. Poor in a teamfight environment. If Jhin can hit one person with all four of his autos then he can potentially kill them or at least bring them really low, but in a teamfight an ADC needs to keep switching targets as people rotate in and out of the front line. He gets two autos on one person then needs to attack someone else and gets two autos on them and then can't do anything for 2.5 seconds while they're still relatively healthy.

4. He's god awful at dealing with tanks. ADC's are the best champs when it come to dealing with tanks (Outside of certain champs that ignore defenses...) and it's one of the reasons you have one in your team but since Jhin has bad dps and is all about the burst, he can't whittle down a tank like others can and he can't itemize Bork for high health targets.

5. He's immobile. Considering how long the downtime is between his autos, Jhin is an ADC I'd actually expect to have an escape ability for him to use to duck out of a fight while he reloads. Without itemizing Triforce he's terrible at kiting because his attack speed is always the same. Think about Ashe and how she can kite people early game and late game, early game her slow is pretty weak but no one is all that fast early game so it's fine, then as people build more movement speed, her slow scales in strength and her attack speed gets higher so she doesn't need to spend as much time going through her animation before she can move again. Jhin is poor at kiting, he has no escapes, and he's slow, with the game being so filled with burst right now, he's dog meat any time someone jumps on him if he doesn't have a dedicated peel support.

I'll say that, I like Jhin, but I also feel that he needs tweaking before he'll be a decent ADC, his weaknesses are currently too big to make up for his strengths when it comes to picking him over another ADC.

the reload needs to be removed

That was just a wrong team composition.

Jhin needs 2 things:

1. A tank that can protect him in case he gets jumped on
2. A violent team that can make use of his peels to bring enemies low and either kill them or allowing Jhin to execute them.

A 2 tanks comp isn't that profitable.

I really dont know why they didnt first pick kalista/ali. I know hes been practicing Jhin, but if they give you that combo, you might as well take it. I didnt think Sneaky played badly, but that game was basically hard carried by kalista. And Sneaky got kills, but honestly jhin really didnt do anything of note besides snipe a kill or 2 which he could have did on damn Caitlyn.

Really think that pick was their downfall, even though Sneaky got some kills. But, I doubt they even care. All that matters is play-offs.

He did fine, Kalista and Lux are just cancer right now. The kills he did get he wouldn't have gotten on any other ADC. If C9 should be faulted for anything it was not pushing towers hard enough. Rush got outplayed early game too which really hurt.