Group Stage Week 2 stats breakdown

Riot·Oct 16, 2017·1 votes·5,616 views

Check out the stats from Group Stage Week 2 of Worlds 2017.

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35 Comments

GIFT OF LOVEOct 16, 20172 votes

How far can NA go? Pass quarters then lose at semi-finals vs Long Zhu?

ChocolitScoopOct 16, 20174 votes

Cloud 9 will not be able to beat World Elite in a Best of 5.

MysterQOct 16, 20175 votes

There is no way TSM can not not get out of group D.

Burundi PrinceOct 16, 20171 votes

They just did.

oshiimineOct 16, 20173 votes

That's the joke

EleshakaiOct 17, 20171 votes

I dunno, WE looked relatively strong, but one-note in their victories. I can't help but feel best of 5s won't favour them unless they change something during their practice.

I personally think it's going to be 3-2 to C9, with C9 losing 0-3 to LZ in the semis.

MlxgOct 18, 20173 votes

LOL you have to be a retard to think a team with no international bo5 experience has an advantage in bo5 over a team participated in MSI knock out, play-in knock out and went full 5 games against RNG and IG in playoff and regional qualifier. And just give you a bit more knowledge about LPL, from leaked scrims, IG crushed EDG and went even with RNG but could only go even with WE. not mention WE took down SKT twice in 2017 while C9 lost both of their games in group. the only world i can see WE drop a game is C9 pull out some NOC or urgot level cheese pick. their power are simply not at a same level.

EleshakaiOct 18, 20171 votes

A person who was actually confident in their knowledge of the situation would make a calm, rational argument focusing on the data and information that supports them... rather than trying to undermine the other person's intelligence through insults. If you'd like to take a step back, leave your insults at the door, and have this discussion again I'd be happy to discuss it. But if you're going to open with insults, then I think we're done here. Have a nice day. Time will tell who is right.

MlxgOct 18, 20171 votes

Now you are talking about rational. tell me what makes you think a team had only one international bo5 in 2 years and got 3-0ed has an edge over another team attended every single international event possible in a year and made it to knockout stage every time? which part of this argument has anything to do with the word rational? Wake up you NA fan bois. you cant expect others respect you when you just completely ignore the truth and make bias ridiculous opinions

EleshakaiOct 18, 20171 votes

Hey look, more insults. I guess you're 100% incapable of making a post without resorting to insults. More's the pity. If you can ever make one, hit me up - we can have a pleasant discussion. If not, please just don't bother ever replying to me again. I'd rather discuss with people who are interested in discussion over attacks. Thanks.

MlxgOct 18, 20171 votes

why dont you tell me which part of my respond was an insult? NA fan bois is a insult to you? or ignoring truth and making bias opinions is an insult? when you say Jensen is the best midlaner ever everyone would say you are ridiculous, it has nothing to do with insult it is just plainly obvious bias. this is exactly what i was trying to tell you here. so if blaming others insulting is how you escape from whatever you cant take, then be it kid.

EleshakaiOct 18, 20171 votes

fanboi is an inherently insulting term, as the implication is that your predisposition towards something is clouding your judgement. Additionally, accusing bias when all I said was that WE's performance at this event looked very one-note was insulting. Additionally you called me retarded in your first post, which is hard to see as anything but an insult.

hhyzOct 19, 20171 votes

Keep up the NA fanboy hype. Please wake up soon.

EleshakaiOct 19, 20171 votes

It has nothing to do with who they're facing. I think WE, as a team, looked exploitable during the group stages. Their winning strategies during the group stage were reliant upon a single playstyle that could be fairly easily banned/picked out - they just happened to be placed in a group FULL of teams that had glaring weaknesses - predominately in the early game - like TSM who couldn't win an early game to save their life.

Unless they show something new, I consider them the weakest team in the bracket stage except Misfits, who looked weak for exactly the same reason - only one playstyle that ever won games.

However, if they practice a different playstyle.... they can prove me wrong.

I don't even think C9 is THAT strong, but at least they had two playstyles that won games during groups. So I'll give them that slight benefit of the doubt and say 'in a best of five, the team with more winning playstyles is more likely to come out on top'

I FK AFKOct 17, 20171 votes

Nah. maybe 1 or 2 wins against WE but not beating them in BO5

ImABeast20fo7Oct 16, 20172 votes

This worlds is joke. Ardent Censer meta is so lame. So sick of seeing Jana and lulu in every game. Oh, and don't even get me going on league of tanks. I'll be moving over to the PBE for now. Hopefully next season isn't as big of a joke as this one has been.

DrCastrateOct 16, 20171 votes

tell us how you really feel!

LethalShadowOct 17, 20173 votes

I agree with the sentiment... but let me give you some perspective and remind you about Mordekaiser meta.... Now THAT was a silly tournament.

BeleqwayaOct 17, 20171 votes

With how common Lulu/Janna/Ardent Censer was, I'm curious why we never really saw one of them getting banned to force either bans or lopsided picks.

MysterQOct 17, 20171 votes

We saw them banned a few times. Just not every game because it just turned into a balanced trade... well "balanced."

EleshakaiOct 17, 20171 votes

There were too many other priority picks to ban that it was hard to justify using two bans on that.

GwynderOct 17, 20171 votes

EU!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Chazual FridaysOct 17, 20171 votes

What an interesting (and disappointing for many fans) Week 2!

Predictions:

LZ 3 - 0 SSG RNG 3 - 0 FNC SKT 3 - 0 MSF WE 3 - 2 C9

While I think there will be a lot of 3-0ing this Quarterfinals, I don't necessarily think they'll be blowouts per se. Like with LZ over SSG, while both are really good teams, I think that their strengths and weaknesses are largely the same, just LZ is generally a bit better, so I don't see how SSG can overcome that. FNC and MSF could chip off games from RNG and SKT but it all depends on which team shows up, because neither are very consistent teams (quite obviously so with FNC). I think WE vs. C9 will be the one to watch. I think C9 could pull the upset if they are consistently able to snowball an early game lead to an early victory. The quicker C9 can finish out their games, the better shot they have vs. WE; the longer they draw the games out, the more the scales tip in favor of WE IMO.

What do you guys think?

MysterQOct 17, 20171 votes

I mean, you made all the smart/safe choices. Anything outside of those would honestly be imo upsets, but I have a few changes in my pickems.

I FK AFKOct 17, 20171 votes

I have exactly the same prediction with u except I think SSG can get 1 win...and looking at the LPL is pretty impressive, I still remember Mark and the ESPN ppl are so proud to analyze that LPL is way too overrated and NA(or TSM) has good chances, LMFAO, they gotta know whos the real overrated one there.

MysterQOct 18, 20171 votes

SSG with only 1 win, we hall see. I am going on a long shot for the upset. LZ and BDD specifically are too good imo, but let's go.

MysterQOct 19, 20171 votes

SSG please finish strong. Make my call the right one.

MlxgOct 18, 20171 votes

i feel like if Ruler can get back to the LCK Ruler, SSG might be able to force a game 5, but most likely its a 3-1

EinherjiOct 17, 20171 votes

I've never really cared for the round-robin. Some of these teams are just better at a best of 3/5 setting (TSM,EDG) who are better teams than the teams that got in. Misfits and C9 stand little chance vs their opponents in a best of setting. I love, LOVE, that TSM got stomped out, but they're a better overall team than Misfits, same goes for C9 and EDG, though I like C9. I just think a play in is a perfect round-robin situation, but a legitimate 16 man best of 3, best of 5 semifinals and finals, is a better tournament. Use this year's worlds to establish placements (Korea, China, EU, NA, GPL, LMS, TCL) and make a ranking order, Korea's #1, China's #1, EU's #1... and put the #1 overall team with the #16, so on. You can still even have the four divisions if that works out better.A best of 3/5 from the start just sets the tone for the whole tournament. A best of one is just so meaningless in a highly competitive tournament. That's why no regional finals use them. You want the best teams weeding out the weak while giving equal opportunities for the upset. Regardless the best team at worlds will always win, I just feel that it's not as competitive as it should be. I also prefer finality, not hinged hopes of a solid week two. The constant stop of momentum in the best of ones is a killer for competition. Just look at Gigabyte Marines vs Lonzhu. They had an epic game and lost all their steam for the rest of the matches. I imagine if they had a day in between the loss they would've beat either Fnatic or Immortals or both, even in a best of 3. I could go on, but I think I've made my case.

I FK AFKOct 17, 20171 votes

BO1 is more entertainment, and BO3/5 probably gonna shut down all the wildcards. And one more thing, even #8 LCK > #1 from NA or EU, so there is no points of doing that.

EleshakaiOct 17, 20171 votes

That is an exaggeration. LCK seems to have, at any given time, about an even split between extremely strong teams and teams that look really bad. There's no denying that the best of Korea sit at the top of LoL by a decent(although slowly shrinking) margin... but the lower teams get humiliated by the upper teams just as bad as teams from other regions do.

Sneaky FastOct 17, 20171 votes

Don't be shocked if SKT isn't in the finals. This isn't your usual SKT. This is an SKT that lost many games in a row and were exposed in summer finals. They're better than 2014 SKT but not by much. That team didn't make worlds. Maybe I'm just hoping for variety, but I think anyone other than Longzhu winning is a big upset.

JangbolsalOct 18, 20171 votes

and that 2014 SKT won paris 2014 all stars with a perfect record.

MysterQOct 18, 20171 votes

and SKT Wolf said we are not weak, we were in control of the EDG game (although who says bad stuff to PR).

MlxgOct 19, 20171 votes

aaaaaaaaaand longzhu is out