Cloud 9 no longer top tier in NA

KazaLyn Shao·Jun 1, 2015·5 votes·2,302 views

Which isn't saying much, given how much we blow in every international event, but that last showing was disgraceful. Didn't even get a turret? And that was after they barely eeked out a victory over TSM, which was a game they should have lost. Cloud 9 used to be my big white hope for NA, but that is no longer. They are a shadow of their former selves, which weren't even fully realized yet(and likely never will be), and incarnati0n doesn't add much to the team but a one trick pony that played poorly both games.

Guess I'll have to throw my vote behind CLG again(for the first time in years). At least Doublelift plays a champion that I love, Ashe.

31 Comments

VixanysJun 1, 20159 votes

Gotta love the Fair Weather fans. It tells you who are real fans of a team and who just want to ride the "hype train".

The OP will either drift off to another team after CLGs likely Playoff drop off or return to C9.

Another thing the OP does not seem to recognize is that C9 has had to change everything with the shift from Hai. They lost a shotcaller so Meteos/Lemon are needing to step up and that will take time which added with the time for synergy with Incarnati0n we are in for a bumpy road with C9.

Also, it should be mentioned that as the competition in NA rises, teams must adapt or get left behind, but adaptation isn't instant. I think C9 will be fine by the end of the split but we only have a weeks worth of data.

Agent2090Jun 1, 20152 votes

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Also, it should be mentioned that as the competition in NA rises, teams must adapt or get left behind, but adaptation isn't instant. I think C9 will be fine by the end of the split but we only have a weeks worth of data.

Yeah, C9 has always taken a few weeks to adjust to changes. I remember it seemed they they were struggling after every major change in the game. It'll probably take a bit more time this go around.

KazaLyn ShaoJun 1, 20151 votes

I don't have faith in any NA team right now. We're the joke region of lolesports. Being "best NA" means you lose to every team but the wild card on the international stage, which is just piss poor. I hate watching Koreans win every major tournament, but it's not like NA has ever stepped up to give them some competition. Even the Chinese team that beat them had 2 Koreans on it.

Yandere CarryJun 3, 20151 votes

but korea lost?

VixanysJun 3, 20151 votes

Against a Team with 2 koreans considered to be the best in their roles...Korea lost? Or Korea Won and got paid heavily by the chinese doing it?

Yandere CarryJun 4, 20151 votes

China won Korea lost.

VixanysJun 4, 20151 votes

I'm simply playing the devil's advocate. Would China have beat Korea without Pawn/Deft? Probably not.

Yandere CarryJun 3, 20151 votes

Shut your face. CLG will go to worlds! I believe! D:

VixanysJun 3, 20151 votes

Unless they face TL in the Split finals...Then its another 0:3 finish for them. I assume they are going to go on a tear the first half of the split. Fans will #goldenage then they will fall off.

Yandere CarryJun 4, 20151 votes

No! They will win worlds. I believe. ;-;

Real fans always do. #FaithAge

LintheJun 1, 20156 votes

Way too early to say this. C9 clearly had a bad game. Even Sneaky- who is normally VERY consistent- didn't play well. It happens.

Personally, I believe the jury is still out on Incarnation. Not great so far but again... only 2 games. And I believe that CLG has improved so CLG, TSM, C9 ARE the top tier NA.

évyJun 1, 20155 votes

hahaha banwagonists everywhere. first off when you have a new player on your team who has 0 pro scene experience.. it will take some time for him to get used to the scene, much less synergize with the team to get full coordination. and incarnation doesnt add much to the team? one trick pony? do you not remember what hai was? mechanically subpar and was only ever really decent on corki last split. incarnation played kog both games cuz thats what the team asked of him most likely

please take your head out of your ass cuz im not even a c9 fan but anyone can see whats happening

PoisonedTeaJun 1, 20151 votes

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hahaha banwagonists everywhere. first off when you have a new player on your team who has 0 pro scene experience.. it will take some time for him to get used to the scene, much less synergize with the team to get full coordination. and incarnation doesnt add much to the team? one trick pony? do you not remember what hai was? mechanically subpar and was only ever really decent on corki last split. incarnation played kog both games cuz thats what the team asked of him most likely

please take your head out of your ass cuz im not even a c9 fan but anyone can see whats happening

TSM lost to C9 so worst then C9 C9 lost to DIG so DIG is better then C9 and TSM CLG beat DIG so CLG is the best

lol ya right. TSM and C9 are still top teams and everyone else below them. Liquid looks on the up and up.

TurquoiseYoshiJun 1, 20151 votes

Don't use that logic. It technically does make sense, but you can lead into things that are stupid. Teams play differently from game to game, and champion select is different every time. Not that I disagree with the fact that C9 and TSM may be falling, but using that logic is unsound.

PoisonedTeaJun 2, 20151 votes

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Don't use that logic. It technically does make sense, but you can lead into things that are stupid. Teams play differently from game to game, and champion select is different every time. Not that I disagree with the fact that C9 and TSM may be falling, but using that logic is unsound.

no you miss read I said C9 and TSM are still the best.

évyJun 2, 20151 votes

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TSM lost to C9 so worst then C9 C9 lost to DIG so DIG is better then C9 and TSM CLG beat DIG so CLG is the best

lol ya right. TSM and C9 are still top teams and everyone else below them. Liquid looks on the up and up.

im a liquid fan since season 3 (curse) but althpugh we won both games it was far from impressive. the only one i will excuse is the tdk game cuz we were playing cocky as fuck. but fenix getting solokilled by bischu was sad. and getting outlaned by team8? that is horrid. i know we won both games but we got alot to improve if we are to go to worlds and perform this year.

clg looked great because they are on their signature laneswap. migh not be as effective againt top teams that can match the laneswap but clg is by far the best laneswap teammanyways gg

Yandere CarryJun 3, 20151 votes

that explains the 1-1 record

AzmoranJun 1, 20151 votes

/yawn New to sports, things happen.

DestructoDaveJun 1, 20151 votes

Shows how much Hai's shotcalling helped them. They looked lost.

lightdshadowsJun 1, 20151 votes

Well this certainly is an interesting opinion. I'm thinking the same thing about TSM. However it's completely unfair to judge when we just witnessed the amazing teams in the world at MSI. I feel that I'm wanting to say TSM isn't a top tier team, when they still may very well be the best in NA.

Regarding your opinion, I think C9 will be fine. They need to get incarnati0n comfortable on stage and they'll perform much better.

KazaLyn ShaoJun 1, 20151 votes

Best in NA isn't good enough, though. As a region, we're a joke. MSI proved that. If Cloud 9 can't even come out on top of the joke region, what chance do they have at the international stage? At Fnc made SKT1 work for their win, and had a real shot at beating them. TSM won against the wild card team, and lost against everyone else. Top tier NA means nothing right now.

MorpeyJun 1, 20151 votes

They'll bounce back. It's still better than the 0-2 start from last split. Meteos literally said it'll take a few games for them to really warm up, and Incarnati0n still doesn't have the experience in competitive games like the rest of the team.

A team needs to be a cohesive unit, and when one cog in the machine is catching, the whole system breaks down.

Been a C9 fan since the start, so I trust their decision.

KazaLyn ShaoJun 1, 20151 votes

Taking a few games is bad though, given that top teams from other regions don't need that "Warmup". They show up and wreck. Why can't NA ever do that?

Yandere CarryJun 3, 20151 votes

I'd disagree.

TheSequelsRBadJun 1, 20151 votes

Too early, and saying NA blows at EVERY international event is not really true. Just MSI, besides that, NA was having respectable appearances at most international tournaments.

KazaLyn ShaoJun 1, 20151 votes

Not enough to really make an impact. We're still behind EU, which is still behind CN, which is still behind(slightly) KR. Even the Chinese team that beat SKT1 was almost half Korean. Doesn't count, IMO.

TheSequelsRBadJun 1, 20151 votes

MSI was the first tournament that EU did better than NA in a while. In my opinion, the whole NA/EU thing is constantly fluctuating and neither region is truly BETTER than the other, they are mainly even. And yes, NA is behind CN and KR. but hey, that is nothing new, and if you ignore MSI, it has been worse in other seasons. So here's hoping for better things.

Yandere CarryJun 3, 20151 votes

that's retarded logic

DestructoDaveJun 2, 20151 votes

I dont think Incarnation is going to be the world beater he was hyped up to be. He hasnt performed that well in LCS, and if you catch him on stream, he gets beat down regularly by supposedly worse NA mids. He loses all the time. Like the casters said, even Hai is still higher then him. He looks like an average mid. He will just be there, have a good game here or there, whatever. I dont see him doing better then Bjerg, Pobelter, or Slooshi.

Hai was a great player; plagued by injuries. His mechanics were good, his champ pool wasn't. Then he started getting injuries and wrist problems, couldn't play, and his gameplay slowly deteriorated. I think the loss showed how much his shot-calling helped them. Hopefully, they get some semblance of it back, becuase at is stands Incarnation really isnt bringing anything to make up for it. He broke even in lane with Shiptur, someone who routinely loses lane but has great teamfights. Shiptur is not known as a strong laner, and he was in a bad matchup to boot, and still just broke even. Hell, Bjerg beat the breaks off him harder then Hai ever had them beat off him.

Also, Alex Ich was there, available. A far more clutch player, who proved he still had game left in him when he solo carried TDK into the LCS. Really a crime that so many teams have overlooked him. Huge champ pool, can play anything. Doesnt get stressed, just chill. Teams really should have looked into him.

I believe the jury is still out on him. I heard they tried Pobelter out; that might have been a better choice.

KazaLyn ShaoJun 8, 20151 votes

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Signed, The bandwagon

KazaLyn ShaoJun 21, 20151 votes

C9 fans, where you guys go, bro? I waiting to see epic come back. Where be twue C9 fans? Us bandwagoners want to know. Where u at? Don't worry, maybe they'll beat the CLG.