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CN > KR > EU >NA
Now you can safely say that :)
Wish TSM could have done better though. Hopefully they can show up at worlds
Get rid of shitty Dyrus first and they will do better.
Wasnt even Dyrus's fault As Sheepy said had Santorin pay'd any attention to Dyrus some of those 3v1 ganks would have easily rubber banded back into TSM's favor with Santorin counter ganking. Dyrus burned 2 flashs a heal and a ignite to kill him on his Sion and and what was taken in return. Nothing Santorin farmed top lane jungle.
Dyrus still is a great player, its just TSMs strategies that doom him because they dont seem to involve him very much, or rather they do in the wrong way. Hes like distraction so Bjergsen and Turtle can shine, which is a good strategy in NA it seems, but on an international level it kinda bit them in the butts, because top teams will exploit and snowball something like that way more.
I agree. In NA it's worked out for the most part because most people have been playing tanky top lanes and ganks typically come from just the jungler. The idea of Dyrus feeding isn't too detrimental because he can still be effective with the gold from just farming and the tanky top and junglers he is feeding to aren't really able to snowball too hard.
However, when the opponents are playing junglers or top laners that can put on some more damage, it becomes an issue. Couple with the fact that a lot of the ganks also include a third person, very often the mid-laner and sometimes even the adc if there was a laneswap. Then the feeding really becomes an issue.
The other problem as mentioned is that neither of the other lanes were able to take advantage of the numbers discrepancy. Even without factoring in Santorin, one of the lanes should have had either a 2v1 advantage or an empty lane to push a tower down. If he wasn't going to try and help Dyrus, then he should have stopped what he was doing to put pressure in another lane. So it really was a team-wide fail. TSM really needs to change their overall strat. Everyone needs to be viewed as important, and if they are going to lose someone to a gank or dive, then they better at least make the attempt to get something out of it in return rather than just go about their usual business.
One of the things I noticed with teams like SKT and EDG is that if someone on their team was getting ganked/dove or someone on the other team was spotted invading their jungle, the entire team (except for sometimes the ADC unless it was happening near bot lane) would just stop what they were doing and immediately converge on that location. Very rarely did a gank/dive go unanswered or an invade go uncontested.
I'm hoping that having (painfully) experienced some of this first hand, they can adapt their playstyle and bring some of this aggression and/or overall team cohesion to the summer split.
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China import korean elite, while NA import korean trash
ouch.........
What does that make us, if people like Lustboy are "trash"? Never mind. I don't really want to know.
DON'T SAY NEVER. CN player performed even better than KR in quit a lot of games. Deft made quit few mistakes about his position in team fights. ClearLove absolutely destroy Bengi, and their top CN player absolutely destroy KR TOP in Game 1,2,4,5. I saw a bunch of good ULT from the CN Annie. They just deserved it.
Those tibber ults destroyed SKT, catching almost 3-5 man everytime
plz, quite*
lmao, what a bias. It was really the chinese players shined in MSI. Koro and clearlove showed they are the top class laner. Koro1 even solo killed Marin's Maokai by Gnar.
correct! and the MVP is Clearlove who is a Chinese
So dominican republic and like cuba and some other places are better than US baseball right? Unless we are talking the Olympics (which doesn't involve League) then we are talking about the strength of the scene rather than the strength of the nationality of players. The strongest scene is always where the best infrastructure is. Right now that's China bc that's where you go to make real money doing this, just like the best baseball players from Japan and the Caribbean islands come to the US to play, while the best football/soccer players go to EU countries.
It is also about pride. You see Messi in Bacelona, and you don't see him play for American Soccer team, why?? Money of course count, but also Bacelona represents the top soccer level. So as Koreans talents join LPL.
u made a mistake there CN > KR > EU > TAIWAN > NA :)
it should be CN>KR>Taiwan>EU>NA since AHQ beat Fantic in group stage. If AHQ was facing SKT at semi, they are probably going to have a really good shot against them like Fantic did or does it even better, since Fantic and AHQ play very similar style but AHQ's execution is little bit better. It also show EDG is really strong team, outside of the group stage losing to SKT. They dominate their opponent, and win it at the fastest time, really showing how strong EDG is. Even at final, SKT win a very close first game, and win it big on 4th game, but the other 3 games they lost, they are stomp by EDG. It is not even that close.
when u say region > region u should not just look at the top team since you are saying the play level of the whole region is superior not just the top team. For some people this might come as bold or even dumb but i believe that right now based on all teams in each region and the level of play-style in each championship series for each respective region would be more like this: CN >> EU >= KR > Taiwan > NA
What not everyone understand is if u take China or Europe for example and compare them to Korea or North America is that the team are actually really close to each others.
In NA: TSM is supperior by quite a lot to the other teams. In KR: SKT T1 is also supperior by far to the rest of the teams.
While on the other hand;
In EU: take the top 6 teams: FNC --- UOL --- H2K --- SK Gaming (i don't really even consider them good but wtvr) --- Gambit --- Origen (i believe they will be in the top 4 in the summer split) all those teams are really close to each other and any of them could have performed as Fanatic did.
Same goes for China's LPL: EDG --- LGD Gaming --- Invictus Gaming --- Snake --- OMG (i still believe they are strong) all those teams are top tier and can compete internationally really easily.
This is why i would say that China is the best region right now because the whole level of the LPL is just higher.
EU LCS easily comes 2nd.
Korea's LCK is not that good right now since only their top 2-3 team can compete on international level (with number 2 and 3 barely at the level needed if not below).
TW would have ranked even higher than Korea if they had a bit more teams and if their top teams.
NA has fallen too much behind and all teams need to catch up in the summer split and really improve their play before worlds.
Well, I must admit EDG pulled off a better game and the LPL has gotten much better than last year, I sstill must say SKT weren't at their full potential. They were missing 2 players who make their strategy of multiple teamcomps complete, and while Koro1 and Clearlove played amazingly, we must consider the fact that SKT played worse than they did in their domestic league (probably due to the fact that they had 1 week to prepare and arrived the latest), just like TSM played under reputation. I still have no doubt EDG is the best team for now, but I must say that SKT still have more to show us than what they showed us on MSI. (I followed all their games and saw how they've been playing since 2013 Worlds, and their plays in teh finals and the semifinals of LCK were so much better than at the MSI; they didn't give away stupid kills, and they snowballed at double the rate)
Actually..Is EDG arrived the latest. SKT arrived U.S 2 days before EDG arrived.
If you watched LPL finals, (EDG against LGD) at least the 5th game, then you will realize the level of intense here at MSI is not even close to LPL.
Every regional champion had their skills and abilities. If they don't have anything, they can't win regional champion. However, there are little chance in terms of upsets when it comes to BO5 as clearlove said. SKT vs FNC is the perfect example. In the first 4 games, you can tell SKT used the same strategy playing against FNC, which is dragon control. SKT picked champions with mid game power spike, and they plan to close the game with 4th/5th dragon buff. Honor for FNC, they manage to win two games out of four, but they lost 5th game completely just when SKT changed their strategy and pull out something else. If you understand this, then you will eventually understand the finals. The two game that SKT won in finals are both with surprise factors. In the first game, clearly EDG got surprised with jungle Gargas play, gargas clear jungle camp faster than Sej, they used that to countered clearloves's red buff, then removed his pressure for mid. On the 4th game, the surprise factor was faker. In addition, Kassadin counters Azir, because Azir's ulti is useless against rift walk. Besides this two games, EDG won the rest 3 convincingly. If you would argue EDG set up a trap for SKT in 5th game, then I should tell you. In LPL, it happened numerous time that Morgana is picked to counter LB. Morgana is the counter for LB because she could push minion waves very fast, which removes LB's roaming potential. You are surprised because it is your first time to see this, however, it is not a surprise at all. With regards to EVE, it is clearlove who first used her as a counter to Nunu. The point here is, you have to excel both two champions in order to find out EVE counters Nunu. EVE was there for a long time, Nunu was there for a long time, why do this come out now from clearlove? why don't this come out earlier from Korean talents???
And what about Brasil? CN>KR>EU>NA>BR
Except EDG had 2 Korean players
FNC also have 2 Korean Players and TSM has 1. What's your point?
CN > KR > LMS > EU > NA knowing that AHQ beat both TSM and FNATIC
Before I was down voted into oblivion and called names I said...
EDG>SKT Pawn>Faker Easyhoon>=Faker "Do not underestimate fnatic they are a lot better then people think" "Fnatic might beat TSM" "TSM might beat SKT" "Faker is not the best player in the world or best mid"
There were a lot more comments or predictions I made that came true. The only thing I was wrong about was TSM. They performed very poorly, it looked like they just weren't ready for the new meta. That would've been ok but it was disappointing to see them sort of, give up, mostly in there last match with the bard pick and the lack of focus and drive to win they showed. It would be nice to see more western teams show up confident, knowing they deserve to be there, and that they can beat anyone. I think fear and nerves play a lot bigger part on performance then they realize. Fnatic stayed confident the whole tourney. Even before the SKT matches the players were confident they could do it. That played a big part in how well they did. Some of us owe a big thanks to EU and Fnatic for representing the west and giving us some hope for worlds. I was prolly gonna be salty all the way till worlds if both western teams got raped. Now im excited for the summer split. Thanks Fnatic Great Job!!
I think its pretty obvious faker is not the best player in the world or mid laner. I think both of them made it pretty clear. Faker had easyhoon sub whenever he was supposed to face Pawn. Pawn let him have his best champ and countered him, shut him down, and ended his perfect record. What else does he have to do? Pawn>Faker Nothing against faker, in his day he was the best mid...His day has been long gone though. BTW Grats Febavin on your TWO solo kills on faker. Im not big on solo kills meaning anything really, I think anything can happen any skilled mid can get a solo kill on another. I know it felt good rookie solo killing faker tho...lol
Anyways to all those who hated on me, I don't like saying I told you so but....HA HA get rekt Me>You...and so on..lol
PS Great JOB Fnatic Great Job EU Don't get complacent C9 is coming for you with a new Mid :P :)
One of the main reasons you got downvoted is that you were being really disrespectful in your last post. You said that EDG would stomp SKT, that Korea is so weak and SKT doesn't have a chance, that Faker is overrated (which I agree oN) and that he shouldn't be regardeded as th best by any means etc.
Your tone of disrespecting other teams' fans and insulting them that they are idiots for believing like they do is something that got me personally to reply, because I wasn't happy with a comment that seemed so agressive towards so many people.
SKT vs EDG was a close series that could have went eitherway. It showed how good both teams are at using the small advantages they get to snowball the game out of control. I think the series could have gone eitherway depending on small stuff ingame and championselect.
I still don't agree that Pawn > Faker and would behold my opinion that Faker is the better overall player. Pawn is a great midlaner who have had his own amazing run, and his morgana game was really impressive, EDG trusting their strategy with him to counter Faker's Leblanc. However, I still don't agree that either Pawn or Easyhoon are better than Faker. Easyhoon is arguebly better than both Pawn and Faker with his signature champions, Cassio and Azir, however, his championpool is small and his playstyle has a more obvious pattern compared to Pawn and Faker who both can play variety of different champions with different styles.
Good games though, was a great series.
I see a lot of comments about individual players and regions, and although no-one will read this, and if they do, I'll probably get downvotes, I would like to give my opinion on what I think MSI showed us. Pawn > Faker is 100% NOT true. Pawn is a great mid laner, and sure, you can argue that Faker kept getting subbed when he had to play against Pawn, and Pawn has a better head to head record, and Pawn beat Faker's LeBlanc. However, that on its own means nothing. I think if there is one truth from that final, it's that Pawn was EDG's worst player over 5 games. Pawn could not handle Easyhoon in the first two games, and self-admittedly played poorly. In the third game, he massively struggled to stay even close to even against Easyhoon, meaning he effectively lost both sides of the Orianna vs. Cassiopoeia match up. Admittedly, EDG won two of these games. When Faker comes in, Pawn is put in a lane where he should really agress upon the Kassadin as Azir pre-6. He didn't. Faker kept winning trades, and Pawn was actually behind (partially due to roams, I suppose) for a while until he started pushing lane, farming wraiths, pushing lane, farming wraiths repeatedly. He ended up with the highest CS in the game, but lost due to EDG not being able to pull off the poke comp (and the weird decision for Corki adc, when they could have had Lucian/Sivir). The last game was where Pawn actually had an impact. He played the lane well, he roamed, his ultimates were very good, and he helped win the teamfights. But, I can't ignore that was the first time that he matched his opponent's laning phase, and he had a straight, clear counter on which he probably would have done much better on if it was anyone else playing LeBlanc. Also, people saying that Faker got solo killed TWICE by a rookie in the same game: Febiven. Now, I am a huge fan of Febiven, not only due to his assassins, but also his Xerath. However, if you watch the game, you will realise that, although it was great technical play from Febiven, Zed counters Azir. Also, if you watch the rest of the game, Faker did ridiculously well on his own Azir mechanics. Pawn, apart from the last game, did poorly when he was tested, so Faker is better. Is he better than Easyhoon? I don't know. You can make your own decisions about that. Easyhoon is amazing, and in MSI, we see that he is able to carry games, and play aggressively more than he used to, and his mechanics are on point. However, so are Faker's. Just watch how well he does in the counter lane from Pawn, and you can tell this guy is good. So, I don't know the best midlaner in the world, but I'm pretty sure that he plays for SKT. Another thing, now about the regions. What we learned, was EDG>SKT>Fnatic,AHQ>TSM, Besiktas. Yes, AHQ beat Fnatic in group stages, but SKT also beat EDG, so who knows what would have happened in a best of 5? Same thing for TSM and Besiktas. Maybe TSM would have tilted so hard after the group stage that they lose against BJK (Probably not, I would have expected a 3-0 to TSM, although I thought BJK was pretty good). We learned nothing about regions here, maybe C9 could beat Fnatic, maybe GE Tigers would have lost to SKT, we don't know. Remember, at World's, there is more than just one team from major regions + a wildcard. About China using Koreans to beat Korea, I don't think that's true. Clearlove was MVP for a reason, and deservedly so, he was the best jungler at MSI, and one of the best in the world. Also, Meiko on Annie was God-like. Koro might have had a horrendous game 4, and generally made some greedy plays throughout, but his tp flanks on Maoki won them the tournament. The CN of this team carried. Now for the KR 'carries'. Pawn I've already spoken about; when he was tested, he didn't show up until one game where he had a counter pick. In regards to Deft, I actually thought he played extremely well during the group stage, and then knockouts as well. There is a MASSIVE mark against him, however, that was noticeable throughout: his positioning. I think the Jinx game highlighted this very well. He got extremely fed, 5/1/5 I think he was at one point, accelerating towards the Jinx late game. However, in teamfights, he positioned poorly and kept taking so much damage that he couldn't fight for long. The fight to the side of the dragon pit, he took so much damage from the Lucian (and others) that he couldn't clean up the last kill, or help his team in the rest of the fight. Another time, he flashes the Thresh hook cleverly, but Rumble flashes into the Red buff pit, nearly taking him down. He focuses Thresh, who is forced to flash, but is too low to follow, and gets lucky his team distract Rumble from finishing him; he didn't kite at all. Again, in the Blue buff pit, he micro-manages well, but flashes into the pit where he is surrounded, gets killed, and gets lucky that Pawn's Azir is there to pick up a Quadra kill (I never said he was bad at teamfights). Another time, he positions poorly, and gets blown up before the fight even begins. He also had a tendency of arriving late to the fights. I sound really harsh, but that's only because I know how well he plays. Deft is easily the best Jinx in LPL, and he showed it, and he showed up on the other adc picks, but sometimes the late game decision making and positioning hurts EDG. CN carried the LPL team to victory, not the KR 'carries'. I'm sorry for this essay, but would like to leave you with my team of the tournament. Unsurprisingly, they all made knockouts: Top: Huni Jungle: Clearlove (MVP) Mid: Faker ADC: Bang Support: Meiko (Faker played more than Easyhoon)
(Clearlove)厂长=MVP
其实korol打的也不错。为队伍牺牲很多的,那盘
我真是吓尿了
那盘打AHQ随便打
Im a big fan of clearlove since his WE age. So happy to see that his dedication got paid off and he finally made his dream come true!
man i swear Clearlove is GOD
WELCOME TO THE LPL! YOU JUST NEVER KNOW!

Congrats, EDG! See you in S5 final!
I was expecting a 3 - 0 EDG victory, but 3 -2? :(
SKT was the best. It's hard to defeat SKT, but EDG deserve it.
old skt is a legacy in lol history, not current one
mmhmm.. why? SK Telecom T1 K merged with SK Telecom T1 S (Sister Team of K) SKT S did horrible (it was said) so most of the SKT members now are from SKT S.. but Faker still didnt lose his Awesomeness... As well as Easyhoon, Watched his plays... he actually on par with Faker.
Dont get to ahead of yourself, SKT isnt a push over, but EDG was just more cunning then we had thought. SKT blindly walked into that trap of picks and bans. But over all SKT made mistakes like all teams would, no team is perfect and no Champion lives forever, they will eventually fall to another challenger. No matter how good you are and how godly you are right now, someone will always come along and topple you off that throne. Faker cant stay on that throne forever, one day he will get overthrown, like all emperors do. And I know Faker fans will not be happy to read this, but truth it truth you can run from it. =)
In this tank meta, skill doesn't do what it used to anymore. SKT Faker was chained to the mid lane all throughout laning phase by Morgana, and by the time he was free the tanks were ready for him, Maokai especially. I just wish they banned him...
Use kr to beat kr. Smart choice!
because onli kr can take down kr
It was actually the chinese players carried the game. Koro1 and Clearlove, both god laner played very well in the enire series. Contrastly, deft and pawn may had some spotlight time, but they also made lots of mistakes and performed bad in quite a few games.
its more like 3CN + 2KR > 5KR
Actually it's 6KR.
agreed, 3cn + 2kr > 5kr + 1Faker