NA LCS 2018 going back to Bo1....

2 Weeks Vacation·9/30/2017, 3:58:20 AM·5 votes·3,164 views

When Next split start, NA are going back to being more shit

Seriously Bo3 is the best format for Team to be better but nope it looks like going Bo3 is losing Riot viewership and maybe they're not making much profit doing that so they decided to go back to Bo1 (it is true that Riot have lost alot more viewership since Bo3, but it was the idea of Riot making Multiple twitch channel which was Unnecessary)

They made separate EU and NA twitch LCS stream but it is still required for NA viewers to wait for the EU LCS stream to be over for NA LCS stream to start????? Like wasn't the Multiple stream was made in order for People to be able to watch which region/team they wanted to play and also the reason for NA to not have to wait for EU to be done so they can watch NA LCS?

I haven't even seen a single or much thread about fan "hating Bo3 format" but Riot magically just throw in stuff with no facts to back em up about it.

Let's be honest, even when it was Bo1 I've never bother to watch low tier team play anyway cus they were boring, and I knew they weren't gonna make playoff anyway

Me personally I feel like the Bo3 made NA LCS Team better rather than Bo1 but it can't be help cus Riot are losing viewership/money to keep this format

Faker's Stream alone have Equal/More than LCS Stream

That was a problem for Riot because Faker's Stream itself was bigger than "LCS"

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III BAKURYU III 9/30/2017, 6:04:12 AM2 votes

2 sides for me personally, I'm happy on 1 side mainly because I get to come home and watch 5 total games from NA/Eu that night, so it makes the games that more special after a hard day at work. While before, I had to wait 1-2 days just to watch certain teams play, but now I get to watch all 10 teams play a game in 1 day.
The other side is I too thought the "BO3" really helped teams develop talent and really made NA that more competitive to not just pick cheese picks to win 1 game and glide off those cheesy picks.
Overall, I don't mind nor care at this point.

MysterQ9/30/2017, 4:04:17 AM1 votes

I guess I only watch replays, so I don't know where I fit into their plan.

I like Bo3 better. IF I like the teams playings. I am not going to watch a Bo3 for two relegation teams (unless recently hyped like P1). But I wouldn't watch that Bo1 either. It just is a meaningless game to watch (sorry pros). Likewise, I am not going to watch Rank1 vs Rank 10 in Bo3 or Bo1 either.

Worst thing with Bo3 is I often click Game3 in VOD, which spoils the result. If game concluded in two games I will already know the winner lol. But that isn't too bad a thing.

Just Jangle9/30/2017, 4:07:48 AM1 votes

Bo3 was just a way to copy the best and only teams worth of watch, the Koreans. But well all know NA is not even near the skill level of KR and never will be even if they try to copy cat them.

GeminiRune9/30/2017, 4:44:19 AM1 votes

Frankly, I don't have much of a problem with the revert back to bo1, mostly because I'm settled into what content comes out however that may be. Yeah the split stream formula had its time to shine but when you really think of it, among the 4 major regions that adopted that only NA was utilizing it and in some retrospect you could see the toll it brought on the broadcast and viewership.

To the viewer's side, it was and still is about favoritism. You'd have people who would often complain over the spoilers from the other stream, complain about two big matches going on at once, or even complain about the scheduled match being after something a viewer isn't interested in and having to wait in order to get their time's worth to be entertained by something or another. While it does blow the viewer side of more games of their favored teams, it doesn't sound like many fans get the big picture.

I've seen comments and outcry saying how "NA is going to suck again" because they won't get the stage experience or something like that. Well it's been 3 splits with this increased match infrastructure. Unless this Worlds does anything fruitful, that's 3 splits of relative failure on the international level starting from Summer 2016 when the system changed. If results matters to you more than the next fan, what can you personally say NA has gained off of it internationally that they couldn't have had with bo1 regular seasons anyway? The most bo3s had done was enable teams to experiment just to iron down a 5-man roster plus one "eligible" sub anyway where it mattered. On that mention, I would face facts to say more games didn't help as much as it looked like it did. Some matches weren't about who was the better team more than it was who was the first one to not lose twice.

Mazariamonti9/30/2017, 4:55:31 PM1 votes

People are 'really' overstating the importance of Bo3's in doing well internationally.

Honestly since the change was made North America has only done worse at international events. They have an incredibly hard time simply getting out of groups to showcase what all of this series experience has brought them in a Bo5. The truth of the matter is that North America has done poorly because they aren't that much better or worse than their non Korean opponents from the other major regions.

Let's see here.

Season Three - when we really have a competition built on some kind of foundation. After TSM and Vulcan fail to move on Cloud 9 is the best hope for NA, they go and lose 1-2 against fnatic. Not much better or worse, they did ok, probably would have won this match if they had some time to warm up in the tournament but whatever. The Decent Korean teams are on the other side of the bracket, SKT comes out and smashes Royal in the final.

Season four - North America's best worlds appearance (no best of threes yet) LMQ has a chance to get out of groups. TSM and C9 make it out, C9 beats Najin to advance as the second seed, TSM and C9 both take games off the two best team of the tournament, SSW and SSB. Overall a respectable performance.

Season five - still best of one format - all of North America does awful in week two of the tournament and no teams advance. However both fnatic and Origen of EU make the semi finals - they didn't have best of threes yet either.

Season six - first worlds after transition to best of three format - CLG embarrassingly can't beat Albus Nox Luna in best of ones to advance. TSM can't win enough best of ones to advance and lose out to RNG and SSG. C9 barely advances and then promptly gets smashed by SSG who went 2-3 against SKT in the final.

The overall point of all this? There is no strong corellation between the format and whether or not you do well at international tournaments. The ONLY consistent thing at worlds is that Korea as a region does very, very well. Everything else depends on individual team performance and draws both for groups and elimination brackets.

In season 3 if Cloud 9 hadn't of been automatically seeded into this wonky best of 3 against a team that had actually been playing games could they have potentially made it to the finals? Yeah.

In season 4 if TSM had been put in the bracket with Najin or OMG instead of tournament winners SSW could they have made it to the finals? It's possible.

In season 6 if Cloud 9 had been seeded against H2K could they have made semis? Definitely possible.

I'm not saying this to be "lol NA apologist TSM should have won worlds season 4", that would be stupid, but people try to put way too much emphasis on things like format or league structure that they ignore the obvious. Top Korean teams are better than everyone else basically always. When North America does get out of groups they get seeded against not just Korean teams, but usually the best Korean teams. We have not seen any improvement internationally since the change. If anything they've gotten worse. That last point I feel should be obvious but there has been an unbelievable amount of comments along the lines of "oh no just when we were starting to get close", excuse me? Which tournaments have these people been watching? We're at about the same level as we've always been, a noticeable step below Korea and around even with EU, China, and depending on the season Taiwan.

MasterGimps11/7/2017, 2:28:10 AM1 votes

no point to watch now one game wins not worth the time its crap