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C9 Elfolorix·5/3/2017, 7:59:44 PM·6 votes·3,069 views

EDIT 4/5/17 AFTER TSM vs GYGABYTE MARINES: I got a PogChamp face when TSM reverse swept against the Gygabyte Marines and I think they did it good in the end. Im actually sourprised, I was gonna delete this post but I'll leave the original one below, it doesn't bother anyone I guess.

I know my username, C9 Elfolorix, Im a C9 fanboy but I will try to write this from a logic perspective and not from a fan perspective.

First of all, lets go back to Season 3 Worlds, C9 got Semifinals, then Season 4 Worlds, C9 got Quarters, then Season 5 Worlds, they played a perfect 1st week getting a 3 Wins 0 Looses, and then S6 Worlds, they got Quarters... Besides that we have TSM, the team that always seems to be the last chance for NA and has literally never done anything internationally. They are the most dominant team in NA (following the split wins), they haven't missed a Worlds, and what have they done in all this time? I will tell you what they did for us, for North America, all what they did was bringing the "NA" memes when someone makes a bad play or using the word "NA" for everything bad in League. TSM is the reason why NA right now is a joke. I already wrote a post about this in the Split Finals saying that if TSM won NA would be rediculous once AGAIN. They know perfectly how to play against their region enemies, but they are awful playing internationally. TSM is a team with players that get nervious every single time they play in an international tournament, Im sick and tired of watching TSM winning the Split everytime, coz they dont deserve the spot, they dont deserve the spot coz that team is the reason why the whole world laughs at us. I will not say that C9 could have done better but... just look at the other international tournaments C9 played in, and look at the TSM historial. We are gonna loose to a region which plays internationally for the FIRST TIME, Southest Asia, Im really really ashamed of my region right now and. you know... If TSM continues going to Worlds and MSI, we totally deserve to be the joke of the world, we totally deserve the memes, if TSM continues representing this region, we will never improve. If TSM squeakers wanna come to dislike my post for no reason and comment shitty things, you can do it, but at least keep in mind all I used writing was the logic and the Worlds Teams History. Good day everyone btw

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26 Comments

HalcyonDweller5/3/2017, 8:13:54 PM9 votes

Not here to challenge you, you've done a good job making your point and backing it up.

But the wall of text does make it a little harder to get through. Maybe split it into paragraphs please?

Guyy Fieri5/4/2017, 5:35:29 PM4 votes

C9 didn't make semis in season 3...nice try though

And please, you think C9 would outperform TSM this year with a rookie jungler (Contractz), a top laner (Ray) with very little to no international experience and a support with 9 games of international experience (Smoothie). While sure maybe C9s support has more experience than Biofrost, that's one person. Up and down the entire rest of the TSM roster, they are more consistent, more experienced and more likely to succeed internationally than this current iteration of C9.

Haunzter is a monster and is better than either Ray or Impact right now. While Svenskeren has his inconsistencies, he is still more consistent than Contractz, who has had very polarizing performances from game to game. Bjergsen is the best mid laner in NA AND has quite a bit more international experience than Jensen (3 worlds, 1 now 2 MSI two or three IEM events, 3 all-star events for Bjergsen versus 2 worlds appearances for Jensen). ADC is the only role that even close but that just because Turtle and Sneaky have both been playing for so long that it's hard to call one better than the other. Both have strong moments, both have poor moments.

And before you go saying I'm just some TSM fanboy, I'm a liquid fan so I don't gives a rats behind about the TSM-C9 rivalry, I want the best team for NA to represent NA and right now that's TSM, hands down

Breaku5/4/2017, 4:02:34 AM4 votes

C9: Consistently loses to TSM

C9 Fans: C9 is the better team I swear it

Sagan Forever5/3/2017, 9:05:02 PM1 votes

Other than season 3, c9 has not looked better than TSM at worlds. Season 4 they both made quarter finals. Season 5 they both failed and we got the C10 meme for them losing 4 in a row. Season 6 they had the easiest group to get 2nd in and then got dumsptered by Samsun. C9 also lost to TSM so thinking they would have done better is not realistic.

Secondly gigamite marines, might just be a good team. Let's look at what bot c9 and TSM had as there major weakness, a shit tier early game. Now the marines have an amazing early game; this makes it likely that the marines playstyle counters TSM how out macro thier enemy. You cannot outmacro if hurt in the early game. Wild cards had the same number of teams enter group stage, while having one less team.

The only region you can assume will do well is Korea, all others is depending on meta and current form. Could TSM be bad, yes. Could. C9 have done better? Yes. But to get glory you have to win your region, therefore if c9 cannot win the finals they do not deserve to go to MSI. 9 NA did not go to MSI, and that is becuase TSM proved they were better than all of them getting 1st throughout the split, and in payoffs.

In short stop whining your team did not make it, mine did make it either.

dakm1025/4/2017, 3:59:39 AM1 votes

one comment I will leave is that C9 made it to quarters in S3, not Semis

KazaLyn Shao5/4/2017, 3:56:25 PM1 votes

TL;DR

If C9 can't be bothered to beat TSM then they don't deserve to go international. It's not hard. You win your own region, you get to go to other regions. You don't, and people laugh at your stupidity! HAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHEUEHAHEEHOEHUMHEYHUEHEEHOHAHHUE! C9 sucks. Get over it.

Lauchmelder5/4/2017, 4:03:26 PM1 votes

You want to know why NA never had a real international competitive scene in CSGO (this translates to LoL as well although to a far lesser degree)?

They focus too much on individual players while neglecting teamplay. If you throw in too many players known for continually carrying their team you will have 5 individual players in the pro scene, instead of one team.

Fine Geez5/4/2017, 8:42:00 PM1 votes

I agree that I'm annoyed over the Asian dominance in the LoL tournaments. I agree that none of the NA teams playing on the international level are the best teams in NA playing against the teams in Asia that truly are the best in their region. I've been saying this for years. I suspect there are Riot shenanigans, and I believe they intentionally rig some of these games knowing full well what the outcome will be.

Paquay5/4/2017, 8:47:21 PM1 votes

So I'm confused. Basically you don't want the split champions to represent us at MSI or Worlds? Should we say, hey great job winning, but since you've done poorly in the past we're giving your spot to another team?

C9 hasn't won so I am assuming that we should probably let a team who fails miserably during spring or summer split have a shot at worlds since they haven't failed in the past right?

WhiperSnapers5/4/2017, 9:09:01 PM1 votes

I have a couple problems with your argument:

Neither team has the same roster they had when attending previous worlds events with the exception of the most recent one, so the successes/failures of the years before that is not only irrelevant, its an Ad Hominem.

Now that we've established that the only event that both teams participated in is the 2016 Worlds tournament (the rosters are the same with the addition of substitute players), lets move on to the second problem with your argument... It fails to address how the two teams were not placed into equally difficult groups nor does it compare how the two teams performed against the one team that they both played against (SSG), so lets go ahead and do that now.

  1. Group difficulty: TSM was placed into the "group of death" (meaning the group had 3 teams everyone expected to see in the knockout stage) and C9 was placed into what most people considered an easier group for the team because of the 3 non-SKT teams, C9 was favored to win the second spot. On top of these differences, TSM lost half of it's shotcalling due to illness turning an already difficult group into an uphill battle.
  2. How did they do against SSG? C9 went 0-3, TSM went 1-1 (without half the team's shotcalling). As we saw in the finals of the tournament, SSG is no joke, so to go one for one against them while not playing at full potential is something that should not be ignored.
Raiyza5/5/2017, 5:51:30 PM1 votes

Something tells me that C9's problems might be offstage.

We all know Jensen was banned before. He was toxic and he did commit DDoS attacks. It has been said that he is reformed, but the last two seasons he has choked whne it matters most. Something is telling me he gets very upset when he loses, and it ruins his next games in a losing series. Contractz might be the same way. Sneaky and Smoothie don't seem to tilt that easily. I have no idea about Ray or Impact.

This is where TSM is so damn successful. They get themselves together and win. They make early mistakes, but they always come back. The games against GAM prove it. Same against C9 in the finals.

BigBellBrute5/3/2017, 8:05:05 PM1 votes

I love TSM. Now when I make a bad play, I just flash my NA emote!!!

areemy2803310/28/2018, 10:19:59 PM1 votes

summoner 4

LostFr0st5/3/2017, 8:11:35 PM1 votes

I don't think anything different would happen if C9 went tbh. C9 doesn't historically come back from gold deficits, while TSM does.

Edit: I'm more of a CLG fan.

III BAKURYU III 5/3/2017, 8:39:41 PM1 votes

I believe it's because TSM just copy pastes what other regions do with no real thought process behind it, that's the short answer.