The only player changes was DL to WT
Season 6 best NA Team can't even perform at a small tournament like IEM, while other region send not the best nor the weakest to that tournament LMAO
What does this say for NA region? #SAD asf
Need you be reminded that they originally opted out of the tournament in the first place? It was only fortunate that they found legacy talent willing to step in for the team. Although, limited time is an excuse that shouldn't be a primary factor, that issue shone brightly to their performance. In terms of preparation, no team could've been ready for UOL without a stroke of confidence and focused training themselves. UOL never went down without a fight, even in a case like Game 4 vs FW.
UoL, they have 3 new player
Here's some context for you. Those are 3 new players to the team that joined in the summer but are sure not fresh and unseasoned talent more than they were players that would like a chance just as any other player would. Move: from Gravity (with Hauntzer as well mind that - different meta though). Had plays and steals during that time that made him look like one of the best junglers in NA at the time. Still had a glaring weakness however which still exist today. Veritas: all over the NA Challenger scene for a while but could never make it big enough with the teams he played for. Exileh: similar boat as Veritas but with just a bit less talent awareness. UOL was literally written as 10th place relegation material team at the start of the summer. But clearly a lot of us were wrong about what skill and synergy they developed with just a few months time.
If NA is only TSM, then it means nothing for the NA region at all. The tournament had 4/6 1st place teams in their regions, yet you label TSM and delude that to all of NA in your pretty little closing question. If we stepped into every tournament labeling the teams that play there as their region no matter what place they were, we'd walk out of this tournament calling TW and even KR bad. But that's not the way things work.
UOL was with the same roster that was 1 game away from going to World and has played together for a Split
Synergy and teamwork wise, UOL was going to be favoured entering the series.
The REAL problem is that every single time the individual talent of TSM/NA player is WAAAY overrated entering in an International competition, just to proceed to see these teams disappointing you TSM/NA fans
Everyone that saw TSM in the last seasons and follows EU LCS know that TSM could have probably had only one head2head comparison when they had the advantage in the individual talent (Sven vs Move), while UOL was on par or superior in any other role. After S4 Worlds, Bjergsen has had moments when he was slumping and others when he was really good, but he has never been dominant at any point and should not be given always the upper hand over International mids regardless of anything ; Hauntzer/Bio/WT have been decent to good in NA, which means jack shit compared to International competition, if you thought TSM had an advantage in top or bot lane you were delusional given how Csacsi/Hyli have been consistent performer for seasons in roles which are more stacked in EU.
The whole EU vs NA terribad shittalk stem because especially NA fanboys lose context on the true strength of Na players, start to overhype them far beyond their level while downplay the other region, causing EU fanboys to answer to the shittalk in a bad manner and starting all the meaningless cycle
Cause NA Sucks
Doesnt matter. TSM fanboys will have their excuses as always. You'll have better luck trying to convince your local religious nutjob to become an atheist....
There are some worrying trends for tsm outside of wildturtle's lack luster jhin.
Hauntzer and biofrost weren't the hard carries of TSM, but they consistently played well through out all of the regular season. That wasn't the case during these matches today. I had a lot of issues with hauntzer trying to force a lot of plays and honestly failing to execute the majority of them. It felt like when tsm got the miracle ace/baron it was hauntzer trying to solo some one off to the side that cost them their come back. The guy was an amazing maokai player in a meta where teams all over the world are playing maokai into top lane kennen/double ap comps. I didn't like his ekko picks/play at all.
Biofrost has not looked dominant at all since the start of the worlds. During the regular season he played a crazy number of karma/bard games and seems to have dropped bard from his champ pool all together. When he doesn't get karma, which no team was giving him, he hasn't looked any where near as dominant on other supports.
Sven/bjerg still look amazing. Thankfully wildturtle isn't coming back to TSM, because the guy has issues during the laning phase which is the most important part of the game currently. Just need to see bio/hauntzer step it up and a solid new adc to hopefully put tsm back on track.
I would argue there were 3 major issues leading into the tournament:
TSM went to Worlds and UoL didn't. That means TSM most likely took some sort of break closer to IEM that UoL might have already taken over a month ago. TSM may be burned out more, while UoL is feeling refreshed. Also, I'm not sure if this tournament was on a different patch than Worlds, but if it was then TSM would be at a large disadvantage.
TSM brought on a new player between Worlds and IEM (DLift to WildTurtle). And, judging from the fact they were initially not going to the tournament, I am guessing he signed on fairly late. Again, this compounds the issue of lack of practice. Above all else, Biofrost needs to get used to playing with a different ADC, but I doubt much of that synergy was developed in such a short time. Compare that to Veritas and Hylissang playing the entire Summer Split and Playoffs together, as well as any time off-season, they have maintained their synergy. Not to mention the whole team dynamic for TSM is different.
This is more a personal opinion, but UoL were a World-calibur team at the end of EU LCS. They were very close to being Europe's third seed over Splyce, but a couple of risky plays went south in Playoffs, which caused them to lose to Splyce after running the gauntlet. I think Viziczaczi is an under-rated top laner and Exileh plays a bloody game that can shake things up. Sure, TSM from Summer Split should have beat themhandily, but TSM at Worlds may have been a closer fight. Throw in TSM at Worlds with a last-minute substitute ADC and this match becomes much closer, if not more in favor of UoL. (Again, my opinion based on conjecture)
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The only player changes was DL to WT
And they didn't even win, also the fact their game wasn't even clean too if they were to win LMAO
UoL, they have 3 new player (TSM can't make no excuses of that when they only have returning WT for the IEM tourney)
Season 6 best NA Team can't even perform at a small tournament like IEM, while other region send not the best nor the weakest to that tournament LMAO
What does this say for NA region? #SAD asf
UOL played the latter part of the summer with the exact same roster they played with. Further, it is TSM that played with a new player playing Wild Turtle (who played with Immortals for the summer split instead of Doublelift. Perhaps you could get a clue before you post next time?
