Very disappointed with the recent Competitive Ruling.

ModPrandine·10/8/2018, 2:42:28 AM·11 votes·5,510 views
LoL Esports

So I recently read the Competitive Ruling and I have to say that I am very disappointed in the outcome. So wait a minute, how come TheShy and especially Uzi are being allowed to play with just a fine as a penalty? If you ask me they should at the very least have a multi-game suspension for their behaviors. If you truly valued the competitive integrity then Worlds or not the punishments should be more severe than what was issued here. It makes no sense that the players who got issued fines get off basically Scott free when if I recall correctly previous instances of this stuff was met with harsher penalties such as suspensions or game penalties. That also says nothing about the fact that apparently other pro players at Worlds, such as Gen.Gs Cuvee, have been inting and yet have had no penalties issued to them despite that. Come on Riot, you're better than this. Make the punishments here actually meaningful and impactful rather than just a slap on the wrists.

23 Comments

Ragnaveil10/8/2018, 3:26:51 AM10 votes

I agree with the fact the punishment on Uzi was way too lenient. Pretty sure they were forced to rule with something lower because the "excitement" with RNG being (dunno if they were ranked this) top dog to win Worlds would be in jeopardy.

Why. Why can't you just hit the guy with either missing a game or two, or making the team lose a ban in first or second phase? RNG is basically getting a slap on the wrist with their biggest player getting out with just a fine. Each Org basically should have an idea that behavior like this is unsportsmanlike, and should hold their players accountable and make sure they don't even do stuff like that in the first place.

Wasn't the goal of structuring Esports to be similar to what pro sports like the NBA, NHL, NFL and MLB are? The moment you do something really bad, you not only get hit with a fine, but you are suspended for x amount of games or sometimes in some cases banned from ever competing again. And this here is a step in the OTHER direction. Letting him off with a slap on the wrist makes me and others think, "Oh, so buying an account and griefing on this account since its not mine is totally okay if you go pro."

People are going to rise up on this ruling, and Riot better have a good answer for it. If they don't...if I were them i'd either take a ban from phase one or two away from RNG for the entire round robin, or suspend Uzi for two or three games and have RNG's ad sub (if they even have one...) play in those games.

BeatzBoyFTW10/8/2018, 5:28:05 AM5 votes

Wait, did they just gave Uzi a simple fine...from account sharing & Intentional Feeding??

Holy Jesus Christ, Riot is indeed desperate for dem Worlds View $$....

mack911210/8/2018, 1:44:13 PM3 votes

Did the streamer who provoked uzi in that toxic situation get punished too ?

Wings Shadow10/8/2018, 3:03:44 PM2 votes

LOL You are like accusing Citizen self-defense as murder. I wonder if you ever explain yourself after a misunderstanding. UZI's action was wrong, but his punishment was lightened by RIOT due to the reason that Korean players kept trolling and insulting him. And, btw, S8's host country is Korea, I wonder how UZI's ban will affect so great of the tickets selling to Koreans. So in your opinions, Pros got trolled and insulted for dozens of games is normal and the poggers should receive no punishment until the pros got pissed off. A random streamer's apologize for a pro's suspension? Perfectly worth. If you have a problem with UZI, you can educate him or denounce him by sending a private message or beat him up in the game. If you have issues with RIOT's decision. Good Luck with convincing them, since you think you have a better understanding of the situation and you are just so pissed that UZI didn't get banned.

DrCyanide10/8/2018, 11:09:00 AM1 votes

$1,000 fine for being caught Intentionally Feeding. $1,000 fine for buying an account. $1,500 fine for being reported a lot, not being found to have griefed, but because of a bad history.

It's a joke. Guess punishments got a Worlds Patch too.

KVbqbFsC8e10/8/2018, 3:29:50 AM1 votes

Inting, trolling, and account sharing- No ban.

Quite silly considering the things the IFS will indiscriminately ban people for.

Pika Fox10/8/2018, 4:45:02 PM1 votes

People would complain no matter the decision, and its not like its a null punishment.

AbiwonKenabi10/8/2018, 5:24:36 PM1 votes

I don't really get the account sharing. Its a rule that frequently goes unpunished especially if accounts are shared by friends.

Secondly, they've been monitoring the pros through September...do you know where pros have been for most of September? Korea. As in, not their normal region for most players. I think its ridiculous for Riot to expect pros to do anything other than share an account. They have to be in Korea, they have to play games in Korea and they aren't going to level up a brand new account, nor are they going to dust off some old accounts they might have and place in Plat 1 or D1 or where ever is the highest rank they can get. They're going to borrow/buy accounts they can actually get real practice on in solo queue.

I know some pros just do the ranked climb, but I don't think its unexpected to learn that not all of them do. Its not like they were boosting, they were doing it in order to prepare for Worlds. Unless Riot provides appropriate accounts for them--which they might, and if so I rescind most of this statement--I don't think account sharing is an unreasonable occurrence.

That said, punishing for toxic behavior is totally warranted. As a pro its unacceptable to behave in this way. Whether the fines are enough or not remains up for debate. On one hand, I imagine losing Diamondprox, for example, would have been way more devastating for Gambit than most other teams. Gambit wouldn't have gotten as far as they did without him, especially since they had to start from play-in, so losing him in the first game would have possibly prevented them from ever getting a chance to even try for regular Group stage. Conversely, some might say losing Uzi for a few games is more devastating, as the ruling came out so late, a team that lost in Play-ins like Gambit would be unaffected given how late this ruling was announced.

You also have to think about the magnitude of the behavior. These guys aren't saying the N-word on a livestream or something, they are griefing in random solo queue games. The fact is, behavior in a random game is less important than your behavior on-stage. Ranked is more casual, anger is going to happen and its not like most people's careers are on the line. If I or any random person on Boards is toxic, we aren't getting fired or paid less at work. That said, I suppose it isn't unreasonable to expect better behavior out of professionals; the punishment is warranted, its the severity that I'm not sure about.

Like, if Lebron James went to some random pickup match or entered some recreational tournament where he lives and was just a total douchebag to everyone, basically doing the equivalent of griefing in a basketball match...should he be banned from the first few games of the NBA season? Perhaps because a game of League is so much more public and irrevocably attached to the sport that good behavior is more important in this case? Its not an easy answer.

Additionally, Riot also mentions how they took into account recent behavior throughout this season. The players who received fines have already received their warnings at some point. The players who were warned are expected to rethink their behavior and try to improve, or else they receive fines as well. I don't think its unreasonable to think that if they don't improve after the fines, more severe punishment like some of you are suggesting would be appropriate.

For me personally, I have two thoughts. One is I don't want to see players banned from their first few games willy nilly just because of solo queue shenanigans. If they don't improve, if they remain toxic despite the warnings and fines, that's one thing. As a spectator, its really lame to have something as important as Worlds be potentially decided because of a few players' behavior in solo queue. As long as the players improve and continue to conduct themselves civilly on the Worlds stage, I think a fine is an appropriate punishment for the moment.

My other thought is...why did this take so long? If Riot wanted to monitor pros' behavior in preparation for Worlds, why talk about it after Play-ins is basically over? And why were they being monitored through September, why not year round, so that way you can dole out punishment much earlier? Did they just monitor them since they were all in one region? If they banned the toxic players from their first match or so, as many suggest, then this punishment would have literally 0 effect on Diamondprox because this ruling was announced after Gambit was already eliminated. Its just such random timing.

Linna Excel10/8/2018, 6:41:50 PM1 votes

IMO any disciplined player should be prevented from appearing in worlds that season. Not doing so is riot clearly vice signaling to toxic players. However in riot's defense, they are an incredibly toxic company with possible law violations so it isn't like they can do anything without looking like complete hypocrites.

ModPrandine10/8/2018, 5:25:48 AM1 votes

To be clear I understand that they want to avoid influencing Worlds as much as possible, but in instances like this I feel that that's unavoidable and that a penalty should be applied regardless, even if it does cause them to lose viewers or causes the penalized teams to not make it out because of that. Even if that happens I still feel that they need to put their foot down and actually enforce the rules rather than give the impression that they play favorites, especially for misbehavior like this, and if what I outlined earlier in this post does in fact happen then oh well, their loss.

Carry U Softly10/11/2018, 7:42:15 AM1 votes

rito sold its poor soul to chinese tencent.

they have made shitload of changes/updates prior to every single worlds in the past years in what was really to shake the meta right before the worlds in hopes to take down korean teams.

it only took rito 6 years to finally find the meta to take down lck and crown their chinese daddy.

msi? check.

rift rivals? check.

asian games? check.

worlds? why fix it when it's working.

ever since rito opened up and let tencent inside, the direction of competitive plays have been downright rigged and fake in favor of lpl.

expecting fairness and consistency from anything that involves china is naive.