the fall of tsm

rollya·2/6/2016, 11:32:54 PM·3 votes·1,389 views

anybody else feel that tsm is performing terribly this season? i think the days of team solo mid winning the lcs are over. they never make any plays and always 1 step behind the other team at every objective. as well i think svenskeren is a really bad jungler. hes always getting caught and making poor decisions.

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Toastey2/6/2016, 11:37:22 PM4 votes

Svenskeren has always been an early pressure jungler who gets lost in the mid and late game.

Jcrcmiah2/6/2016, 11:40:58 PM3 votes

TSM individual skill is overrated Bjergsen isn't as good as he once was Doublelift gets caught out a lot

Ale non è male2/7/2016, 11:18:24 AM2 votes

TSM has to realize the fact that Bjergsen (and is the same for Doublelift) doesn't automatically have an advantage in lane they can snowball upon simply executing an average game upon that advantage and have to adjust to that thing They built their super team upon the assumption that that their midlaner-ADC duo could always get ahead of enemy carry duo, given bot Bjergsen and Double were first in NA last season in CS and gold differential at 10 min, and esily snowball an advantage upon that This is not true anymore with the influx of new players in NA, so they are getting outplayed since they haven't found yet their own peculiar alternative plan/style

And a lot of problems relies on coaching staff, imho, they have one of the weakest structures among the supposed "top teams" in Western scene , they basically have one LOL coach with previous success history (Jarge, and the success was in a different role as Deilor's analyst), and one analyst that has been for most of his career merely a remote analyst and a number guy, and I would argue he was with teams that weren't successful from a coaching point of view (volunteer as analyst for Alliance in 2014 being involved especially in pre-Worlds preparation, then working as analyst in for TSM from late 2014 going on), given that what on the paper is their Head Coach is bascially a motivator/lifecoach

Death by Glamour2/7/2016, 12:11:19 AM1 votes

Individually they are all good players they just dont seem to be a great team.

Lets be honest though they didnt play amazingly last season either.

anonymous1192/7/2016, 12:36:56 AM1 votes

I just don't understand what the deal with yellowstar is. There are better mechanically skilled support players, but there are few players who are smarter than yellowstar in any position. Every one expected him to be brought in to be a captain to tsm and he would be the one making calls. Any one watching the tsm games could tell you they look disorganized and lost.

So is yellowstar for some reason not making calls or are the tsm players not following the calls?

I think the individual skill gets lost when players are sitting around with no idea what they're doing or even worse playing musical chairs deciding who is going to get caught out next.

WalkingInACircle2/7/2016, 12:50:45 AM1 votes

And you base this on them winning even when playing badly?

They beat Hai9, they're definitely contenders.

Yxgl222HaX2/7/2016, 3:53:45 AM1 votes

Tsm is a team that is always plauged with the same problem, an iconsistant jungler. Sven was not the pick up they needed. He did absolutely nothing impressive last season on SK gaming so i don't know why they wanted him so badly. his team actually finished near the bottom in the summer split. Hauntzer and DL where good pickups but this is a 5 man game, not the Bjerg and DL show. Everyone, including the jungler needs to pull their own weight to be sucessful. If tsm had gotten rush instead of C9 that would have made them a searious threat. Mabye next season. Personally im okay with this sense i prefer cloud 9 to tsm anyway but they need to work on their roster alot. Bjerg is good yes- damn good no one can deny that. but untill 1v1 mode becomes lcs that won't matter much

Miror B2/7/2016, 4:59:28 AM1 votes

See, for me all the recent acquisitions are more of a problem than anything. Hauntzer is proving to be pretty "meh", sven would be second-last in KDA if you took out all the substitutes, and unlike many of the other people who changed teams (huni/reignover to immortals, hjarnan/kasing to vitality) yellowstar hasn't been able to make much of an impact on their team and has looked a bit uncomfortable. They aren't necessarily a bad team, I just realistically don't see them making top 4 with TIP/Immortals/NRG/TL being on such a roll right now.

Linthe2/8/2016, 1:07:09 PM1 votes

They are tied for 2nd? Noone except imt has looked consistently good

Earl Eulrich2/6/2016, 11:49:29 PM1 votes

well they always have been playing like that...just that this season is more early game focused so their passive stall tactics don´t work anymore. I really hoped Yellowstar could change this, but so far he looks pretty lost.

C9 Scott Free 2/6/2016, 11:50:41 PM1 votes

They will be fine next split but this one is probably going to be all IMT. They just seem to have major macro issues.