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Tale of two mids: Bjergsen vs. Hai in the NA LCS Finals

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Team SoloMid's Søren "Bjergsen" Bjerg knows Cloud9 well. This will be the fourth time he and TSM have faced off against C9 in the North American LCS Finals. "We know what they play, they pretty much know what we play," he says. "It's going to be a lot about how the teams play." On the other side of the Rift, Hai "Hai" Lam and the rest of Cloud9 are preparing themselves for what Hai calls a "grudge match" between the two squads. At the core of the matchup is the two mid laners. The talented solo lane carry and the mastermind shot caller will be going head-to-head this Sunday to once again find out who can lead their team to victory.

We win as a team

There is a temptation to compare the two players on their individual merits. Sure, Bjergsen may have the 1 vs. 1 advantage on paper, but even he admits that those sorts of matchups don't matter as much as they used to. "The current meta isn't really much about the 1 vs. 1," he says. "We don't really see LeBlanc vs. Zed skill matchups. Someone might not die in the laning phase. It's very passive. We pick for the team, and what we do is for the team. It's a lot more jungle focused and team focused than the 1 vs. 1." Hai, on the other hand, is a bit more scared of the matchup, saying "I'd argue that Bjergsen is better than me, but I wouldn't say that he's better than me by a lot. If the lane was left 1 vs. 1 and I have a good champion pick into his, I don't imagine either of us dying or getting behind that far." He continues, "I don't necessarily think there's a huge mechanical difference from X player to Y player. For example, people can say that Bjergsen is the best mid laner. That's probably true, but how much better mechanically is he than another person? He's really good, don't get me wrong, but the reason he's so dominant is because of his wave control." "I don't think there's a player that's that much better than another that they can just win a game by themselves, at least at the top level of play. After that, it just comes down to who plays it better and who's smarter. Who has a better draft and who can play the game better? It revolves more around that than individual play at the top tier."

Execution, execution, execution

According to both Hai and Bjergsen, the matchup will be decided on each team's ability to execute their plans. "I think both us and C9 have very similar champion pools and play styles," says Bjergsen. "Going up against C9, it's about who plays better on the day." Prior the Semifinals, TSM and C9 had been scrimming each other in order to prepare for their respective series. That means it's going to be pretty tough for them to pull out any surprise champion picks. Don't think they won't have something up their sleeves for the Best of 5, though. Bjergsen in particular feels he needs to be ready for what Cloud9 can pull out. "I think Hai is definitely going to pick up more champions," he says. "I'm pretty sure he played Corki pretty much every game. He has a week [to learn new champions], he can play a lot of new things. In scrims [last week], we were practicing for Team Impulse, not to counter C9. So, right now, we don't have counterpicks. We're going to look to prepare for that [for the Finals]." Hai notes that Cloud9 has become known for staying ahead of the rest of the world in terms of new picks, particularly from the support position. "Lemon happens to be really good at finding out what champions are good and bad in the current meta," he says. "He picked up Nautilus right away, he picked up Veigar right away. It helps to be on top of the meta. If you fall behind, it's going to hurt you. We're very open to experimenting and trying new things."

Confidence

So, who's going to take the home the NA LCS trophy? Bjergsen is feeling confident. While many analysts and players have recognized that TSM tends to win based on a mid-focused strategy, TSM's star mid laner says that they've developed past the point of Lucas "Santorin" Larsen camping Bjergsen's lane much of the game. "We've been slowly moving away from just pressuring mid," he says. "I don't think anyone can just go into the game saying that TSM will camp mid lane, because it's definitely not what we did against TiP." With their newfound strategic diversity, he says, TSM should be a force to be reckoned with both in the NA LCS and internationally. Hai seems a bit more nervous. "I think if we play like we did this week, it's very likely that we'll lose next week. Even though we won [the Semifinals against Team Liquid], I don't think our level of play is high enough to take first." Will Cloud9 step it up? Or will TSM ride high to their second NA LCS Championship in a row? Keep your eyes on Lolesports to find out. And if you miss the Best of 5 series, check out the spoiler-free VODs page to catch up. Riot RoboTayCo is a Leona main. That means he only goes in. Like, all the time. You can follow him on Twitter for his thoughts on everything from League to bands you don't care about. That'd be cool of you.

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TrollFan0117 votes

I have a feeling TSM will win this split. C9 is looking the weakest they have ever looked domestically while TSM is looking their strongest. I see it going 3-1 in TSM's favor.

Things are different now. C9 isn't untouchable like they were the first year they were in the LCS and TSM seems to have finally found a roster that works for them on all cylinders.

Fans of both teams should be happy regardless of the outcome though. They've all but guaranteed themselves their spots at Worlds with their Championship Points.

Karmatize10 votes

I'd give the advantage to TSM right now, but anything can happen.

TheDatMonster9 votes

Balls>Dyrus, Meteos>Santorin, Sneaky > Turtle, Lemon = Lust , Hai <=Bjerg therefore C9 will win.

Drifty21413 votes

Meh, I'm a huge fan of C9 but I think Lustboy is a little better than Lemon and Meteos and Santorin are roughly about equal right now :P

SK Elijah Niq5 votes

no. meteos 100% > santorin but about lemon and lust you re right

ajwf2 votes

Lemon probably has an advantage in a bo5 if a new support has caught his eye. He adjusts to new ideas better than any other support.

The real thing is, I'm not sure role match up matters here. If it was, I have to imagine that Bjerg would just roll over Hai. For C9 to win, they'll probably do what they did game five vs TL with early game pressure. Since CLG got so much credit for their lane swaps, C9 has kinda been forgotten in terms of how good they are at managing lane swaps.

GetBronKOD1 votes

You're a fucking moron if you think meteos is better than santorin... Santorin is arguably the best jungler right now.

I Am Magician1 votes

What a contradictory statement. If it's arguable (your words) than it's perfectly fine to think Meteos is better than Santorin. I personally think they are pretty level right now with TSM as a whole playing better than C9 as a whole. Lust Bjerg and Dyrus played superb and obviously Santorin is top 3 but with a better team (currently) makes it easier. Some of meteos' plays were off the chart but not enough to make up for his team playing underpar.

Fapstein3 votes

And this is your expert opinion is it? If they both play like they did during reg season TSM will come out on top, C9 have to step it up to win the season and most of the players are relatively equal in terms of individual stats as they play to different strengths. Like Hai said it's going to come down to who plays better on the day not numbers on a paper (or your opinion)

So it's going to be an awesome series to cheer for.

Plot Thiccens3 votes

Neither would come out on top since they tied 1-1 in reg season:p

Heckler4 votes

Berg >>>>>>>>>> Hai, not even close to being equal.

Varijake4 votes

You forget that Hai is a strategic mastermind. You should read the article in the link below! vvvv http://na.lolesports.com/articles/tale-two-mids-bjergsen-vs-hai-na-lcs-finals ^^^This article talks about the match-up between these two mid-laners in detail. It is written by people who pay much better attention than you, too! You could learn something! Spoiler Alert-Bjergsen himself says that the 1v1 match-ups don't really matter that much anymore!

But really though the article is pretty interesting! You should totally check it out because you obviously didn't read it yet :)

MuddyBuddyMudkip2 votes

Well it's not like they are going to flat out put "Bjergsen crushes Hai" as that would be a poor article and seem biased, You can't be that blind out of fandom to think Hai is anywhere close to Bjersen's level. I do think that Sneaky picks up the slack where needed, I love WildTurtle but Sneaky is way more consistent

Absoluti0n Zero3 votes

yeah i honestly believe if c9 had any adc other then sneaky they would've been place a lot lower in the standings. he literally put c9 in a backpack and carried them to number 2. balls did have a few good games during the split but he was very lackluster overall, and meteos did well regardless of the game, but hai only carried if he had zed, if not he was more of a minion in teamfights most the time.

NeoDeimos2 votes

But really though the article is pretty interesting! You should totally check it out because you obviously didn't read it yet

You should totally check out last year's All-Star weekend, when Cloud9 performed quite well... o wait, they did so WITHOUT Hai being there!!

Hai isn't as great as you think. Besides, TSM's shot-calling/team-fighting has been better than C9's this split. And, um... who is TSM's shot-caller again..?

TL;DR Bjerg >>>>>>>>>>> Hai is accurate.

Absoluti0n Zero2 votes

True its not about the 1v1, but bjerg is also tsm mastermind shot caller so he plays the exact same roll as hai does but he himself as an individual is a better consistent player. so by what you say bjerg does everything hai does but better outside of his own personal ward control but lust and santorin make up for that with smart ward placing that covers the lack of wards bjerg may buy.

i think 1v1's don't matter as much in say s3 or s4 but they are very influential in lane dominance and by this standard the 1v1's between them could very well determine that games pace for either team.

i feel it will come down to which dyrus and balls will show up. mid lane is in tsm favor and bot lane is in c9 favor while jungle is equal right now in how they play what they play and how influential they are to the teams.

Shen Daddy14 votes

Actual list: Dyrus=Balls (balls has been terrible most of this split) Meteos=Santorin (Santorin has been impressive whereas Meteos has been kinda bummy but I'm keeping them equal out of respect for Meteos) Lust>Lemon (barely) Sneaky>Turtle (Turtle has been great but Sneaky has been easily one of the biggest reasons C9 is still here) Bjerg> Hai (duh) Yours would be right during s4 and or s3 but s5 c9 doesn't match up to your statements.

Benyec4 votes

This is accurate.

MuddyBuddyMudkip1 votes

You can't be serious lol. Hai is nowhere close to Bjergsen. Balls and Dyrus are equal. Meteos and Santorin are equal. I do agree with Sneaky being better than WildTurtle but I feel Lusboy has performed better that LemonNation. This should be a close series, not one sided at all.

PoisonedTea3 votes

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Balls>Dyrus, Meteos>Santorin, Sneaky > Turtle, Lemon = Lust , Hai <=Bjerg therefore C9 will win.

Dryus>Ball, Balls has not looked good at all this year he did step it up in the playoffs so maybe he is = to Dryus in that case

Meteos>Santorin Santorin is still just a rookie so Meteos has the experience advantage

Sneaky > Turtle yes but it a closer match then you might think but Sneaky is just the best adc in NA

Lust > Lemon Lustboy is much better then Lemon I respect Lemon but he is no star player

Bjerg > Hai This one is not even close even Hai playing his best he still behind, Lucky for C9/Hai he is not normally meant to carry on C9 but do other stuff.

Aozora1 votes

Dyrus hasn't played well this split either and normally Balls is way stronger than Dyrus. Balls showed up in the TL vs C9 series and along with Sneaky was a huge part of pulling the team through. There's no way Dyrus > Balls because even when he isn't get camped hard Dyrus just fucks up pretty bad. In this bo5 they're equal.

Also, while I'll agree that Lustboy is better than Lemon, it's not by a huge margin at all. The guy is so underrated it's not even funny

Blind Minion1 votes

Balls is better when ahead, but Dyrus can survive better from behind. (Tie) Meteos is more self-sufficient, but Santorin is more useful to the team. (Tie) Sneaky is more consistent than Turtle, but Turtle has wild potential. (Favors Sneaky slightly) Lemon has the brains but Lust the mechanics. (Favors Lustboy slightly) Hai doesn't have as much skill or as many champions as Bjerg; there isn't much of a comparison unless Hai's just making all the right calls. (Favors Bjergsen)

Overall I think it's TSM's series to lose, unless C9 plays in form.

Cripple Oracle8 votes

Wow. I'm surprised at how positive these comments are. It must be NATIONAL NICE DAY or something. Along with everyone else, I think TSM will win this one. GO C9!

TrollFan017 votes

We're all Canadian... eh?

sp52pi7 votes

I personally think TSM will win, and their who I'm rooting for, but both teams are just so strong, it's really gonna be close. It's going to be a really intense match.

Absoluti0n Zero1 votes

i honestly think this could be one-sided in TSM favor if they get going in game 1 and 2. at this moment i don't see TSM giving to many chances for C9 to win if they play the same way they did against TL. if it does go to game 5 it would most certainly be a intense series but if C9 doesn't pull out like their old selfs (balls carrying again, meteos outjungling santorin) they may not make it to a 5th game.

BUT i would love to see them go 2-2 because game 5's are just amazing

Lord Drunk 6 votes

Honestly, both teams look so strong its so hard to tell who will win

TheSequelsRBad5 votes

One thing for people to consider, C9 has often in their history performed well when people predicted them to lose. They got out of groups when most people thought Alliance would; they often have defeated TSM in regular season matches when they were slumping and most people thought TSM would win. It should be a close series, but I think C9 will take this.

Varijake2 votes

I think that C9 plays well where it is necessary. I feel like so many people have just flat out forgotten that C9 shafted TSM their last game of the season. How the teams perform against other teams means nothing. C9 tends to perform well against TSM. Enough said. It is going to be close. The godlike C9 if old will most likely shine again where it matters most. They barely lost last split to TSM, I think this time around they should be able to pull it off.

MuddyBuddyMudkip1 votes

While I do agree TSM got shit on, you can't only go off that. Did you see the champions they were playing? I'm not 100% sure but I think that was everyone's first game on that champion this split besides Santorin. While we don't know what they've been scrimming with we do know they don't have much experience with that comp at LCS.

Absoluti0n Zero3 votes

I honestly don't think C9 is as strong in this season as they were last season. TSM have a real jungler this season and bjerg and the bot lane got substantially better compared to last season.

this would be like any other games and sneaky will need a backpack sturdy enough to carry everyone in for 3 games, maybe not balls if he gets a chance to play a carry top or play making top laner. i don't think hai will outplay bjerg but can come out even in farm, top is really tilted in C9's favor and bot is literally a bag of firecracks and sneaky and wild turtle will play chicken seeing who loses fingers first.

HardBop1 votes

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I honestly don't think C9 is as strong in this season as they were last season. TSM have a real jungler this season and bjerg and the bot lane got substantially better compared to last season.

In my opinion, those two things are the real heart of it right there.

Not to denigrate Amazing or TheOddOne, but Santorin has been a revelation, and he didn't even start the Spring Split looking particularly impressive...but somewhere before Katowice, it's like something just CLICKED, and suddenly it was like he was almost always in the right place at the right time. I feel he's actually the bigger threat than a Dyrus TP when a 3v2 or 3v3 ramps up into a 4v4 or 5v5. He's much smarter than Amazing when it comes timing mid and top ganks as well.

Turtle, to me, looks pretty much the same as 2014 Turtle (which is to say, a Chaox who doesn't make you yell "Why the hell would you do THAT?!" at your monitor). LustBoy on the other hand...holy crap. That guy is playing on a completely different level than he was last year. I don't remember seeing him pop up in mid or top during lane phase last year at all. (Granted, last year, the meta had junglers still starting alone, too.) But even with the meta shift to lvl 1 jungle assistance, it seems like LustBoy is just all over the map as much as both junglers are. I ain't gonna front, Bjergsen deserves all the accolades he gets, but this year, LustBoy really has been the linchpin that's taken TSM to the next level.

Again. All my opinion. Which everyone is free to disagree with.

Absoluti0n Zero2 votes

TheOddOne was pretty much a role player in my eyes when he was on the team because he played a very supporty style rather then a carry. In my opinion Amazing was quiet the opposite of amazing he had fairly bad game sense and his champ pool was equal to a solo Q player in terms of power. i remember games they would ban 2 junglers and pick a 3rd and it was quiet obvious who he would get on. He has improved a little but still makes those "wtf" moments.

Santorin...man he is pretty much the next top tier jungler to come from NA since meteos made it to the scene, whoever loco has as a scout when he does recruit players should get a big pay raise. he is originally a carry style jungler that TSM refined into a teamplayer and if continued to be nurtured he will basically become the bjerg of the jungle because bjerg had the same start in the pro scene as santorin did.

i feel lustboy is a large part of the team but i wouldn't say lichpin more like just a Pin because once he decides to pull his pin, he turns into a grenade that wins/starts/turns tsm' teamfights or skirmishes. Turtle is still wild he just waits out CD's and what not and i feel he has support to cover his old tendencies of doing horrible movements and bad map rotations., they did a very good job of reining him in and refining his play style to fight their strats rather then need to go ape shiz and solo carry.

i think they really do have the top 2 players in each position (maybe not in adc, i feel there are many solid adc players) and not only that but they are a cohesive unit that perform on big stages

Trike5 votes

TSM? Ha! FREESM

zV148Mhae74 votes

HA you're so funny!

Dolichorhynchopz7 votes

Cloud 9 will Ryze to the top once again! And TSM will Singed back to the bottom. #Punsfordays #PunsofDMG #TSMSucks #FREESM #HatersGonnaHate #Aintersgonnaaint #Cloud9ForLyfe

Varijake2 votes

^all the TSM fanbois be like "OMG YOU ARE SO DUMB TSM IS WAY BETTER THEY WILL CRUSH C9 ROAROAROARROAROAROAR!"" despite the fact you are just messing around lol. That is the only reason this comment was down-voted lol.

YellowLift5 votes

With other words its up to tsm to win or loose this match up vs c9 as a TSM fan i can clearly see how strong they became since santorin joined not only they dont focus mid but im pretty sure they re about to make dyrus have fun on top since they own bot and mid with santorin ...im pretty sure tsm gonna win this with a 3-0 and they wont make any mistakes at game 1, as long as they dont disrespect c9 ......

Whatever happens we all are coming to the point where we can say that TSM and C9 are the only NA hopes for international succes . ( i feel so bad for the first time ever for clg fans tho ...)

Keratosthenes4 votes

well, if we compare both teams on level of play, TSM is a straight line like this ---------------------- Where c9 is more like this = --= --= --'=--=--=--'=-- So if we see the = cloud9, tsm wins hands down Is cloud9 more like - well, we have ourselves a series you betcha In the rare occasion C9 looks ' (on the peak of their play aka spring '14 type of domination) I'd suggest TSM to brace themselves. In all honesty though, this split they are 1-1 so it's certainly not decided yet... Now if you excuse me, I have to arrange a pacemaker so I'm certain I won't die during the finals.

apparently underscores are forbidden ways of communication therefore the symbol of equation shall mark the censored vile signs.

Varijake2 votes

Amen

Absoluti0n Zero2 votes

I think the split record is normal and i expect tsm and c9 to go 1-1 next split as well but i give this to TSM because they are playing on a level that is above what they played last split, and this year they have a real jungler so they are not gonna lose in the jungle to meteos as easily.

i don't think c9 can play as well as they did last year because hai's pool got hit pretty roughly, balls has to play some sort of bruiser/tank and those are not always carry like tops but they do have a massive shining light to take it all home in sneaky meteos. lemon is good but even then i give the support edge to lust boy as he does what lemon does but slightly better, just a little that i might not even call it an edge more of a lip in the fine line of them.

Shindou14 votes

Liquid vs TIP will shed some light on TSM vs C9 if Liquid 3-0 TIP than we can call conclude that its going to be a good match.

MetaVllad3 votes

Its going to be very close the only minor difference between the teams is that Bjergsen is slightly better on paper then Hai the rest of C9 make up for that slight mismatch though by having a strong jungler/top laner combo in Balls and Meteos and we can all agree that Sneaky is more consistent that Wildturtle especially when they vs. each other, however TSM has very good players in not only Bjergsen, but also in Santorin and the rising star support Lustboy but you cant count Lemonnation out he has solid play and his mechanics and timing are on point which should make for a very interesting match up to say the least! while i am a C9 fan and want them to win this ill be happy if TSM wins as well!

Absoluti0n Zero2 votes

true balls is better then dyrus but dyrus has been far more consistent then balls. sneaky is more consistent then turtle but can't count turtle out because he will find his spark of insanity and carry. i think lustboy is a more consistent play making support then lemon(not to say he doesn't make plays its quiet obvious c9's strength is in their bottom lane). i think balls kinda gets a free top depending on dyrus champ because they honestly leave him alone to farm and only gank for him if the other team has a hard carry but even dyrus has his day and the enemy lets him play some LoL. i honestly believe these games will be somewhat decided by the junglers and if hai can contain bjerg enough to not let him influence the map.

FriedCoolAid2 votes

It's pretty hard to say where this is going to go. C9 had such a rough time vs a well oiled Team Liquid. Unless they fixed their issues, it's hard to see them storm in and take the win against TSM.

LT DrkLink2 votes

So, TSM looks like they got it like 3-0; 3-1 on paper, but C9 just showed they won't give up a series without a fight. This Final is gonna be very interesting. Hai played a lot of things in the past days (thank you Tekk for posting games from streams! :D), so target banning him is just gonna lead to him playing something he's not as good on, but still comfortable. So, this gane is just gonna a bloody fight for the cup! These teams just look like a veeeery good hope for this year's Worlds!!! :P

HyperTriggerZ2 votes

Call me a fanboy but I have to give the advantage to TSM this split. They have looked so in control all season while C9 has been inconsistent at times. The only way I see C9 winning is with some unexpected picks/bans and stellar shot calling. It all depends on what C9 shows up here. Should be an awesome series, though.

Inlustro2 votes

I thought C9 pulled their crap together in the last week but against TL it looked like it all fell apart again. Balls has not had a great split, Hai can be a make it or break it factor in this game. Sneaky will most likely do amazing but if Hai can stop Bjergson they have a good shot at winning. But this will most likely be a close series

Fluff21 votes

truthfully i think c9 will win they win when it counts like the semi finals Lq won the first 2 games then c9 stepped up their game so GO C9

Absoluti0n Zero3 votes

i think that was more of TL not playing smart in picks and bans and trying to force comps without complete damage sources (such as the forced juggermaw with no real damage mid) TSM will not give C9 the same opportunity or pick/ban to easily make a comeback. TSM is much more organized and prepared to play C9 then most other teams, and mostly i think it will be TSM just because they actually have a young jungler who has potential to play a international level

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