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North America's ascension at Worlds

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As Day Two of Worlds Group Stage in Singapore begins, North American teams look to be on the rise. While Korean teams have performed as expected, few expected a 4-0 start by North American teams in two of the hardest groups at Worlds. How have they improved so dramatically from last year's Worlds showing and how have they pulled off their imrpessive showing?

Korean Influence

While there has been much and more said about the Korean boot camps of each of the Western teams, at least some players believe that coaching and creative direction is a more direct cause of some of their success. LMQ's ADC Vasilii had this to say about the NA teams' improvement: "A lot of it has to do with us utilizing coaches (and for us Korean coaches) to teach us more advanced strategies." Some members of the community have been quick to judge Korean boot camps as ineffective, but watching play from the North Americans, it's clear that some teams have benefitted directly. Earlier in their histories, both LMQ and Cloud9 played a very aggressive, heavy engage style of game. However, in matches yesterday on Singapore Day 1, both had games go 11 minutes before a first blood, and both used a very calculated and methodical style to close out games with very slight gold advantages. It has become clear that North American teams have taken some cues from Korea. "I think the NA strategies and mechanics are much better than before," said Vasilii. "Currently we are focused on playing more stable than we did before." In this, it seems that the North American meta is evolving. While some teams focus on snowballing kill advantages onto carries to outplay other teams mechanically, both Cloud9 and LMQ have realized that you can't always rely on snowballing, or your mechanics, to defeat teams like Samsung Blue or Najin White Shield. With this increased focus on team play, it may give them the edge they need. With that said, the North American teams may even be surprising themselves. "When I first learned that we were in Group C, I thought that every team [was] super strong, [even] stronger than us, but it happened that we were so lucky to win both games [yesterday]," Vasilii continued. "Maybe it's because we have the mindset that it doesn't matter if we win or lose, we just play our best."

Korean Dominance

On the other hand, there's the Korean mindset: total domination. Najin White Shield jungler Watch said about his team's expectations:,"Coming in, all the pundits picked the three Korean teams to win Worlds. As as one of these three teams, we feel like we really want to win all the games… It would be really nice if the three teams could win every match -- make it 18-0. That's our goal right now." After Samsung White's performance in Taipei, Shield at least is feeling the pressure to at least match that performance, and sweep the group completely. But still, despite the more humble goals of North American teams, all hope isn't lost for the West. "Alliance is a team that we feel will give us the strongest fight," Watch continued. With the faltering of Chinese and European teams through the first five days of Worlds, it looks as though North America may have finally surpassed China and Europe as the next best hope to defeat the Korean squads. But given the opening match between Cloud9 and Alliance and the methodical and high level execution by both teams -- though Cloud9 certainly edged them in the end -- it would seem that Group D will continue to remain close through completion. The World Championship Group Stage, and perhaps Korean dominance, continues in Singapore tonight at 2:00 am Pacific Time or 11:00 am Central European Time when Najin White Shield takes on Alliance. Frank 'Riot Mirhi' Fields is a Senior Web Content Coordinator for Riot Games. You'll find him in solo queue on Ahri trying to DFG charm his way up the Diamond ladder, or on Twitter where he'd love to talk to you about esports.

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72 Comments

FyreNinja19 votes

.....And who would have seen this coming?

Great job C9, TSM and LMQ for representing us and giving NA a name for itself!

BotDancer12 votes

Great job C9, TSM's europeans and koreans, and china for giving NA some hope.

BotDancer10 votes

You can downvote but you know it is true.

Nevar3th8 votes

yap. NA teams with full Americans don't exist (except C9, wich half team is Canadian). Sry USA...

Invidau31 votes

You do realize NA region = / = UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, right? Canada is included.

4 8 TheDream22 votes

so NA should only form teams from the Native Indians? man EU fanboys so salty.

Thomas Di Leva2 votes

Come on be fair now, was NA graceful in defeat in Season 1, 2 or 3? not really, not that I think eu ppl should cry, but u cant blame most of EU for whining when NA fans kept saying NA is a good region after placing worst (not counting wildcards) in the previous seasons.

Reheapification1 votes

I was making a similar post about this haha.

Dane Belthound4 votes

Always funny to see people bash american teams for being multicultural. America is the melting pot of the world for a reason. We have dozens of cultures living here.

Einherji6 votes

I'm not sure exactly what that means, American Disney Donald Duck. I can only assume you're referring to the international mutt team TSM and the all Chinese team as being non-American. That would really be a great argument except America is the worlds cultural melting pot. Most the families in this country have only been here about four generations.

BotDancer1 votes

Yes, but LMQ was in china until summer split, so 3 months in NA for a chance at worlds made them proud NA team? Last minute korean import to TSM?

12tales4 votes

LMQ has been competing in the NA challenger scene since last December. Just FYI.

12tales10 votes

"With the faltering of Chinese and European teams through the first five days of Worlds, it looks as though North America may have finally surpassed China and Europe as the next best hope to defeat the Korean squads."

And yet, if this article had been written less than a week ago, it would have said something to the effect of "It looks as though China has cemented itself as the second strongest region by a huge margin, and are likely the best hope against Korea."

Small sample size is small.

In groups A and B, we've seen the following -

  • 3rd place EU team is 1-0 over 1st place NA with both teams fielding their main roster.

  • 2nd place CH team is split 1-1 against 1st place NA, but leaves the group with a better record.

  • 3rd place EU team and 1st Place NA team have a 2:1 win loss ratio with their main rosters.

None of this in any way indicates that North America has pulled ahead of other regions by a significant margin. The only possible conclusion that I can come to is that this claim is made on the basis of a single day of games, where one North American team went 2-0, while another went 1-0 (over significant opponents). Which is stupid, because if you accept the premise that three games can adequately represent a region's strength, you have to look at Royal Club's opening two days in group B and assume that China is the superior region.

Moral of the story? Drawing wide, sweeping conclusions from tiny data sets is silly.

Nevar3th1 votes

Actually, Fnatic just beat SSB :) NO FALLDOWN yayyy :)

12tales3 votes

Very true, but I don't see the relevance to my post.

Vearyx6 votes

Why are you the only intelligent person to post on ANY forum on lolesports? Everything I ever read regarding "NA vs EU" is a fucking toxic farm fest.

Although my personal opinion doesn't matter, we need more people like you in this community who use their brains to judge situations/things instead of just throwing out random facts that spark arguments.

For that, I thank you.

Dane Belthound2 votes

You also cannot judge the quality of a team based on 1 game with full rosters. Especially when that game for TSM wasn't super important. Would have been nice to win for better matchup in quarters but not necessary. SK had pride on the line and to SK's credit most of their games were close. Their record was a couple of plays away from being a lot better. They definitely were trash, especially considering they had a sub jungle the first three games. Overall I don't think you can really say there is a huge difference between EU and NA. I also think that the gap between NA and Korea has closed significantly but still in Korea's favor.

12tales1 votes

I also think that the gap between NA and Korea has closed significantly but still in Korea's favor.

What's your basis for thinking that?

Aerilux1 votes

NA vs EU will never be put to rest until we see who gets out of groups and an EU vs NA BO5 happens...

Jaegybomb1 votes

SA > EU

NeoDeimos1 votes

"Moral of the story? Drawing wide, sweeping conclusions from tiny data sets is silly."

Then what evidence CAN you go on?

"3rd place EU team is 1-0 over 1st place NA with both teams fielding their main roster."

But you don't mention that the reason the EU team won, was because of miscommunication of the NA team within the EU team's own base. i.e. SK did nothing to win the game, TSM plain lost it (granted, this is actually TSM's style of play.. wait for opposing team to screw up and take advantage).

Basically, you saying that NA has not pulled ahead, with evidence being that SK won.. is just as bad as what you are arguing against. You didn't look into the actual game to determine WHY a certain team won or lost.

Not to mention that the data set is a little larger than just Worlds, you should also include the All-Star appearances of Fnatic & Cloud 9 (& OMG/TPA) as well. Very little roster changes since then (I believe the only one was Link subbing for Hai, and Winds joining TPA just 2 weeks prior). Then noticing that C9 defeated both FNC & TPA handily, and defeated OMG as well in the Round Robin stage; and that, while C9 and FNC were still very good teams, they weren't alone at the top of their regions any longer... should show you that if C9 can defeat FNC, quite a few of the other top-tier NA teams can as well (Exhibit A: LMQ defeating FNC)

TL;DR - Unless there are MANY more inter-regional matches that Riot sets up during the year, we'll never truly know which regions are ahead of others. Until that happens, the best we can do is, yes, make conclusions (or at least educated assumptions) from smaller data sets.

12tales1 votes

I'm not claiming that EU is stronger than NA. But if it's true that NA has pulled ahead of EU, I would have expected to see the nominal best team of the region do quite well against the third seed from EU. You can't look at the set between SK and TSM and say "Yep, NA clearly the strongest region" without having some sort of narrative agenda. And when this article was written, that was the only full set of NA-EU competition to draw from.

TL;DR - Unless there are MANY more inter-regional matches that Riot sets up during the year, we'll never truly know which regions are ahead of others. Until that happens, the best we can do is, yes, make conclusions (or at least educated assumptions) from smaller data sets.

Can we at least have the decency to wait four days before trying to put down an entire continent? We've got nearly three weeks of international competition coming up - there's no need to hop on the NA hype train after a single day of play.

Especially given the course these most recent games have taken, I'm not seeing anything to indicate the dominance of NA over EU or vise versa. If anything, there seems to be parity between the regions thus far. Whomever wrote this article could've waited 'till Sunday morning and created a much more informed, accurate piece, and I disagree with the decision to rush it out so early. Or at least, they could've been more honest about the scope of the information they were drawing from and less dramatic about its implications.

VioletGil1 votes

And now that all of the NA teams have bitten the dust and none of them have placed higher than ANY of the Chinese teams (C9 and TSM tied with EDG then are beaten out by the other two CN teams) the statement just seems ridiculous.

12tales1 votes

Yep.

And everyone who watches LPL has been chucking quietly the whole time.

Jathiel6 votes

If NA continues to play as they have been so far, there could very well be a gap between the skill level of NA vs. China/EU. But the tournament is still young, and things could swing out of favor for NA. Nevertheless, I am very happy and impressed by NA's showing at Worlds so far. TSM was the first NA team to make it beyond their original seeding, and I hope both LMQ and C9 follow suit!

RiotMirhi6 votes

I think perhaps a comment by Mike 'Noctt' Huh of Inven sums it up.

"In Korea there were lots of fans teasing NA, but from yesterday's game, it's gone" - https://twitter.com/InvenNoctt/status/515355405145210880

12tales4 votes

Aaaaaand there goes that theory. China was the second best region six days ago, NA was the second best region yesterday, but damned if Europe isn't clearly the second strongest region now. /s

This is why it's best to maybe wait for group stages to shake out before power ranking the regions.

Einherji2 votes

One win against a Korean team and two losses against NA and China does not the better team make. Really though, who cares about the 4th, 3rd, and 2nd strongest regions when Korea has clearly been the best since conception of this game. That seems to be the theme with you Euro fanboys. You brag about being better than NA, but being 2nd best in the world is only 2nd best. No one hands out trophies to 2nd best.

12tales2 votes

Awfully presumptuous of you.

I personally believe that China is the 2nd strongest region, but it's really not relevant. The point is that whatever opinion you have on the matter, it should be based on overarching trends and historical performances, not individual days in the group stages. It's ridiculous to assume that NA is the 2nd best region because of their performance yesterday, just as much as it'd be ridiculous to assume that EU is the 2nd strongest after today. They're single days of games, not the gospel of international competition.

Dane Belthound1 votes

So one win by EU defines them as second best? Meanwhile NA is top of all of their groups at this point. ONE WIN or LOSS is not a trend.

12tales1 votes

ONE WIN or LOSS is not a trend.

...that's what I said, yes.

29292742_DEL3 votes

NA's ASCENSION... lol ok. Over half of the players representing NA aren't even from NA.

12tales8 votes

These players are scrimming, competing and living in North America. The practice that they're getting is against North American teams, and the styles they're exposed to are North American. If they succeed as a team, it's very much because of the strength of the region in which they've been developing.

I don't get why people are so obsessed with ethnicity.

Freddy Shopan4 votes

Exactly. NA. The land of friggin opportunity. It's awesome that we have so many different styles in our region now. It makes all the teams stronger.

Dane Belthound2 votes

And honestly people like to trash on NA, but these teams from other regions don't come over here and dominate LCS.

LMQ came from China and got 3rd, beaten by TSM and C9.

EG came from Europe and got almost last place.

Things are close. If NA was really that bad it wouldn't make sense for good teams to come over here. You don't get good by playing bad teams.

Nevar3th3 votes

Well, Europe just beat Koreans (again)...

Fìòra1 votes

you're right, your 2-3 fnatic just took one game off 3-1 SSB congrats on your victory...

DOOPESMOKER4203 votes

But one thing we have to realize is that even though we may have left a mark this year, 2 china teams and 2 korean teams are in semi finals and that is the bottom line. None the less NA showed that they are able to match up and perform in a reasonable way when playing these teams unlike past events. Main point IMPROVE, just because you left a mark does not mean its the end of the road. Keep pushing NA!

VioletGil2 votes

I find it hard to believe that NA has surpassed CN since none of the NA teams placed higher than any of the CN teams. The closest we have is that TSM and C9 placed the same as EDG, and then all the other Chinese teams placed higher than them.

Lil Rogue1 votes

Problem is if the NA Teams get out in second place with the koreans in first it will be 3 NA vs KR matches in the quarter finals with 1 CN vs CN.

2oothpick10 votes

I may be crazy, but I'd be very excited if this happened! NA vs Kor with 3 teams and 3 chances for someone to come up big. If 2 NA teams lost or even got beat up and yet somehow one manages to pull the upset..... 2 na losing + 1 na winning = NA Super Winning!

Lil Rogue2 votes

No I agree this would be awesome but the chances are slim.

Skumfúk1 votes

EU WHAT ARE YOU DOIN :'(??

Skumfúk11 votes

never mind, fnatic beat SSB. gg xd

Grundmir1 votes

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12tales3 votes

Bet you feel silly now.

Grundmir1 votes

Yup;< But still no EU team will advance from groups!

12tales2 votes

Don't wanna talk too soon, but... I think you're gonna feel silly tomorrow.

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