Every low elo player should watch MSI

Randomonium·May 5, 2016·4 votes·775 views

Two of the biggest problems I find in low elo is that 1) teams cannot exploit an early game advantage and snowball the game and 2) If a team is far behind they don't know ow how to stall to get back into the game.

For the first problem watch CLG vs G2. Watch how they move around the map taking objective after objective after objective. Watch how the players who are fed take their advantage to other lanes and get other members on their team fed. They're not doing anything crazy. They're not chasing low health enemies through the jungle. They're not trying to dive 1v3 or 1v4 just because they are ahead. Just very smart efficient play. It was only when they got a commanding lead did they start going for riskier plays in order to crack into the enemy base. Every low elo players should strive to play like this when ahead.

Conversely, for the second problem look at SKT vs RNG. The losing team was immensely far behind but because of excellent vision control and pink ward placement they were able to deny most plays the other team was trying to make. This allowed them to stall out the game for an hour when the game should have been over before the 30 minute mark. Yes they did wind up losing in the end but their ability to stall dispite being at a huge gold deficit was amazing. All low elo players should learn from this game and strive to play like this when they are far behind.

28 Comments

GhostOfTsushimaMay 5, 20164 votes

Yeah they do watch that is why you see so many noobs low elo tried to play Nidalee and failed hardcore

They tried to play Azir and failed

Vayne failed Kindred failed Failed everywhere

Because they thought they can do the same from watching something LMAO

RandomoniumMay 5, 20162 votes

Yeah, people tend to focus on the wrong things when watching the pros. They only see the flashy plays and don't understand all the setup required to execute those flashy plays.

If people focused on how pro players move and ward and position they would see a huge improvement in their play.

Virgin RayMay 5, 20164 votes

Bro, never compare bronze solo que with LCS. Their teamplay is organized and planned and us bronzies do what ever the hell we want and hope to win.

RandomoniumMay 5, 20162 votes

But why? Why not learn from the best players in the world? Not everything they do requires organization or voice communication, it just requires some common sense.

Virgin RayMay 5, 20161 votes

Everything they do requires communication and planning... Sven from TSM used to keep dashing in a 1v5 and throwing the game without communication so they lost those games. TSM greatly improved BECAUSE they coordinated and planned every single move and were able to beat all the teams and make an extremely close matchup against CLG on the spring finals. If all LCS teams were prohibited from talking to each other in game it would look like an average solo q game where coordinated strategies just means burnt summoner spells and abilities.

RandomoniumMay 6, 20162 votes

What are you smoking? Sven is on Origen and Doublelift did not dash in 1v5 this season. I agree that communication was one of the reasons why TSM was able to reach the finals but that doesn't mean that EVERYTHING requires communication. We can learn so much from the LCS. Where to ward, how to rotate, how to prioritize objectives, how to anticipate ganks, how to set up ganks, etc, etc, etc. I can't tell you how many times I've stolen strategies from the LCS and done very well with them as long as my team followed my lead (which unfortunately doesn't happen as much as I'd like in YOLO queue.) However, just because people want to be idiots doesn't mean the LCS doesn't have a lot of great learning opportunities.

Yes the LCS teams are highly organized. There's a reason for that. Being organized wins games. Bronzies can learn a lot from that. Listen to your teammates' pings. If someone is carrying and making good calls then follow their lead. You don't have to have amazing communication, you just need to have better communication than your opponents.

GhostOfTsushimaMay 5, 20161 votes

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Bro, never compare bronze solo que with LCS. Their teamplay is organized and planned and us bronzies do what ever the hell we want and hope to win.

Just just don't feed please? whatever you do

LMAO

Maximum MordeMay 5, 20163 votes

Why should they watch others play when they can't even interpret what is going on in their own games right in front of them? They are low elo for a reason and watching little kids play a video game isn't going to improve their own decision making. Only experience will do that.

RandomoniumMay 5, 20163 votes

One of the best ways to improve your decision making is to watch correct decision making. The real reason why most people are low elo is that they think they are doing things right when they are really doing things wrong. They keep practicing and reinforcing incorrect play and so they don'tdon't improve. Its like someone practicing a punch incorrectly and wondering why they keep hurting their hand. Knowledge is a huge factor. Yes you can get that knowledge from experience but you can also get it from watching players much better than you and seeing how successful they are.

Maximum MordeMay 5, 20162 votes

I dunno why you got downvoted. You were just trying to have a civil discussion. Have a +1 to bring back up.

I still disagree with you and I think the best way for me to explain is through analogy. I can sit and watch pros play baseball all I want. At best it's going to help me understand the rules of the game. I'm not actually going to get any better by watching. I need to actually play and practice to get better.

Likewise with league. People already know the game and how it is played. They are just bad at execution and adaptation, which is why they are low elo. Only practice can make them better.

Once you get to a higher understanding of the game, you might be able to pick up new strategies and ideas by watching and understanding what is going on behind the scenes. Until you get to that level, watching isn't going to help you.

If e$ports entertain you, then watch. Just don't try and kid yourself into thinking it's going to make you a better player. Only hard work and practice can do that.

RandomoniumMay 5, 20161 votes

Maybe I'm giving people too much credit but I'd have to disagree.

I don't know much about baseball so I'm not going to try and give you an apology and fail miserably. I do know a lot about mixed martial arts so I'll try to use an analogy to better articulate my point.

Bronze players are meat heads who will just stand in front of each other throwing haymakers until someone gets knocked out. However, if you see a true expert who uses slips and feints and combinations then you can realize how ineffective the "stand still and throw haymakers" tactic can be. Even though you still need to spend countless hours practicing those techniques the simple act of watching someone do them can give you immense knowledge and open your mind to new possibilities. I can't tell you how many times I've been watching a UFC fight and learned a new technique or combination or counter that I could then go practice in the gym.

I truly believe most people in bronze and silver make dumb mistakes because no one has ever showed them the right way to do stuff. They think they are doing what they are supposed to be doing because all they see is other bronze and silver players playing the exact same way as them. Only by watching people who are good at the game can you see how messed up you really are.

TL;DR watching the pros doesn't make you better but it does open you up to new possibilities of HOW to get better.

Maximum MordeMay 5, 20161 votes

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I truly believe most people in bronze and silver make dumb mistakes because no one has ever showed them the right way to do stuff.

I think you give people too much credit. They make dumb mistakes because the average person is, well, average. You have people that can't/won't learn, people who can but have to be hand led through it, people who learn with very little instruction and can make connections between things on their own, and people who can reason out how things work through their own observation, intuition, and logical reasoning. Most folks are in the first two categories. A decent number are in the third, and the best and brightest of humanity are in the last.

Of course people like to believe that everyone is capable. To them I say, you haven't met enough people yet.

RandomoniumMay 5, 20162 votes

I think I'm meeting a lot of people in the first group in this thread.

It's completely infuriating because I've used things I've learned from the LCS to completely dominate games in low elo. However, it only works if your team is on board. It's so simple to turn a single kill into a 3k gold lead just from taking a tower, rotating, taking a tower, rotating, etc if the team just stops chasing kills and doing other stupid stuff.

But nope, you can't learn anything from the LCS. [zombie-brand-facepalm]

Smart KittyMay 5, 20161 votes

All elo players should watch it anyways.

PDE5 InhibMay 5, 20161 votes

That's honestly the worst advice ever. I see so many low elo players rushing rageblade on trist now cuz "muh LCS". Please stop being an LCS meta sheep. k thx

RandomoniumMay 5, 20161 votes

Did you even read the post? This has nothing to do with item builds or champions or any of that superficial crap. It has to do with rotations and positioning and warding. The pros do all of those things amazingly well and it's something we could really learn from them.

PDE5 InhibMay 5, 20161 votes

Do you think low elo players care about that? Nope. They watch the LCS and say, "oooh cool rageblade trist im gunn build on every adc now". Hence, "watch the MSI" is the worst advice ever for low elo players.

RandomoniumMay 5, 20161 votes

Which is why I specifically told people what they should look for in each game. Like I said, did you even read the post?

PDE5 InhibMay 5, 20161 votes

I'm not sure why you think that people who ignore all advice are going to magically listen to you is the point. What are you not understanding here?

RandomoniumMay 5, 20162 votes

Because obviously this post isn't for people who ignore all advice. There are tons of low elo people who don't understand how they can get better, how to close out a game when ahead or how to come back when behind. These games MSI are great example of this.

What I'm not understanding is why you have so much difficulty reading before posting.

PDE5 InhibMay 5, 20161 votes

I don't know why you're assuming I didn't read your post when I say that people aren't going to listen to your post? Business major?

RandomoniumMay 5, 20162 votes

So your argument is my post is stupid because people aren't going to actually listen to my post. Communications major?

My whole point is that if people watched the MSI and learned from pro players how to ward, rotate and position they would see a huge improvement in their play. I don't see what's controversial about that, it's about as common sense as you can get.

ShadowatomMay 5, 20161 votes

I don't exactly understand why the downvotes. Yeah, some players will just look at the champs and builds and follow the shiny light, but some could potentially learn something about positioning, warding, setting up, etc and that's better than nothing. How else are people going to learn? Read guides and watch tip videos? Isn't that just as subject to people picking up a champion or build from there and then never actually learning anything from it? Not saying watching the LCS is the end all be all, and it shouldn't be, but saying that everybody will only take champion picks and builds away from it isn't a very strong argument imo.

RandomoniumMay 5, 20161 votes

There are downvotes because people don't read further than the title before responding with their two cents.

TBakesMay 5, 20161 votes

I agree. I am Bronze and feel like I learn a lot of this macro-play from watching pro esports. However, it isn't worth much unless everyone on your team is playing with the same mind-set. Farming, controlling lane, rotations, objective control--these things don't mean anything when others on your team are pushing too far, face-checking, over-chasing, trying to solo-kill, etc. My elo is about snowballing and being able to solo carry your team. It turns out I am really terrible at doing that XD

RandomoniumMay 5, 20161 votes

Exactly. This is why more low elo people should watch. These strategies work amazing but only if at least 3 people are in the same page. Low elo players could learn so much if they just watched pro sports and focused on the important things like warding, positioning and rotating rather than just the flashy plays.