What are your thoughts?
I feel a little of both. Impact stepped up in a big way the last few weeks and overall I believe C9 has gotten slightly better, but I also think IMT choked under pressure.
The fact C9 got crushed by TSM makes me believe they have only increased in skill slightly and it's mostly because IMT choked under pressure.
Requiemsfire1 votesI don't know about you but watching one of the big team fights, both teams played incredibly well.
III BAKURYU III 1 votes100% opinion. I think looking at C9 and IMT as a whole is the answer.
Impact stepped up and it only took time for him to mesh with the team as he is a foreign player so it was only time before he became a carry for them and someone to play around. Huni once again showed that without 24/7 camps he will just fall apart and become useless.
Meteos really became a Leader for C9 and most of the kills that the carries got through out the season was because of him. Reignover I don't know what happened to him but he has just looked off for the past few weeks.
Jensen has now became the next STAR for NA. He does die more than most MID players but he dies trying to make plays while for Immortals Pobelter literally does nothing without help he sits mid sometimes roams but it accomplishes nothing most of the time. Pobelter is similar to Froggen but with less "flare" to his name.
Sneaky/Smoothie their not the best lane phase partners and Smoothie has his games where he does nothing in teamfights but it's much better than a support that can't play anything but mage healing champions that hide in the back and heals doesn't make plays nothing like Adrian. You could replace Adrian with some random person off the streets and you wouldn't tell the difference their playstyle. Sneaky also doesn't get caught out like Turtle does each game.
Overall C9 played as a team while for Immortals it was the whole team looking at Reignover for answers 24/7.
Cyromo1 votes[{quoted}](name=III BAKURYU III ,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=EE4f6zyo,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-09-06T06:07:45.127+0000)
100% opinion. I think looking at C9 and IMT as a whole is the answer.
Impact stepped up and it only took time for him to mesh with the team as he is a foreign player so it was only time before he became a carry for them and someone to play around. Huni once again showed that without 24/7 camps he will just fall apart and become useless.
Meteos really became a Leader for C9 and most of the kills that the carries got through out the season was because of him. Reignover I don't know what happened to him but he has just looked off for the past few weeks.
Jensen has now became the next STAR for NA. He does die more than most MID players but he dies trying to make plays while for Immortals Pobelter literally does nothing without help he sits mid sometimes roams but it accomplishes nothing most of the time. Pobelter is similar to Froggen but with less "flare" to his name.
Sneaky/Smoothie their not the best lane phase partners and Smoothie has his games where he does nothing in teamfights but it's much better than a support that can't play anything but mage healing champions that hide in the back and heals doesn't make plays nothing like Adrian. You could replace Adrian with some random person off the streets and you wouldn't tell the difference their playstyle. Sneaky also doesn't get caught out like Turtle does each game.
Overall C9 played as a team while for Immortals it was the whole team looking at Reignover for answers 24/7.
I'd have to say I completely agree. After the lane swap patch the team seemed to just come together in ways you couldn't expect before the patch. Jensen and Meteos learned to work together and the team chemistry blossomed like a flower. Also the new coach taught the team really what to do and how to achieve the common goal while building eachother up
III BAKURYU III 1 votesYeah Jensen and Meteos have meshed well and if you ever watch a Sneaky or Meteos Videos or Streams their "trolls and their videos are not for everyone" if you know what I mean.
So I'm sure it was awkward for Jensen when he first joined C9 and you can really tell it when you watch the early youtube videos where he doesn't really talk much and when Sneaky and Meteos would "Break the ice" with their usual "Kappa Pride" discussions I'm sure he wasn't use to it.
Now it's second nature to Jensen and he can now just be himself and be goofy on a team of friends( Best Friends as far as Sneaky and Meteos goes) but still friends all around with Impact and Smoothie etc.
Yeah the lane swap was also something that helped decide the series. Most people will see the standard lane and think ( Sneaky weak lane phase GG 0-3 C9) but when you look at the Immortals players standard lanes means the junglers need to even out the jungle ganks.
Huni can't get 24/7 ganks if so it's dragon for C9 as well as bot lane is a HUGE disadvantage for Immortals as WIldturtle and Adrain in my opinion are the worst bot lane in the NA lcs as far as Top tier teams goes(TSM-C9-CLG-IMT).
Shut down Reingover you shut down Immortals. It took over a YEAR for most teams to figure it down and even if a team did figure it out they still had to shut him down.
Spring split Immortals were 17-1 and were very cocky and good with no future pressure on them yet. So they played with a chip on their shoulder but once playoffs came and they played with that STUPID TEAM COMP 
TOP which is very disrespectful to the Greatest NA team since NA's start; TEAM SOLOMID.
TSM punched IMT in the mouth and not only 3-0 SWEPT their ass, and made IMT a to for future teams to not fear anymore.
A. It shined light on the bot lane to win against Wildturtle and Adrain was a weak point for IMT and if Reignover is seen top it's easy kills/Dragons for future teams.
B. Ever since the TOP and the Series against TSM. It really made Huni into a JOKE in my opinion, once the best Western Top laner turned into a player that needs 24/7 surveillance on his lane by jungler.
Look at the 2015 season on Fnatic and tell me Huni wasn't camped non-stop by Reingover. Any top laner will scale into a monster if it's 2v1 and they get gank after gank for the first 20 mins who doesn't ?
Shadowatom1 votesLucian top came in Game 3 iirc, at which point Huni was tilted to hell, it wasn't necessarily them being entirely cocky that they decided to play a stupid team comp, (they were cocky, don't get me wrong), but I think you (or maybe myself, correct me if that's the case) may not be remembering the game Lucian top was played.
Either way, you're correct and some roster changes will probably be needed. The tough thing will be how to change things since Huni and Reignover are a duo and probably a package deal. Maybe they can straighten Huni out or at least get him to perform with a few changes Bot (I think they either need a slightly more passive support to keep WildTurtle from overextending too much, or a slightly more passive ADC since Adrian seems pretty good strong imo) / Mid (I think I'd give Pobelter one more split/season before getting rid of him tbh, he had some pretty good moments and some pretty bad moments, so another split/season should be enough to prove whether you can do better or not imo). If Piglet is grandfathered and he leaves TL I can only assume they'd pick him up which would be interesting, but who knows.
All I know is that this season was considered a failure for Immortals since they failed to make it to Worlds, so it'll be interesting to see what happens during the off-season.
III BAKURYU III 1 votesI don't know what iirc means ?
The Lucain Top was from game 1. After starting the game 7-0 in kills they lost in each teamfight because of having like 3 ADC champions on 1 team.
0-1
Game 2 Huni still played a carry top 
and lost in 1v1's to Hauntzer same goes for the other solo lanes they just lost their lanes by themselves.
0-2 Game 3 17-1 regular season down 0-2 to the 6th seed, tilt is a very good word for Immortals.
0-3 Swept.
Adrian is a passive laner that's all he is he plays nothing but passive healing mages and sits back and does nothing while Wildturtle is more of a unpredictable and aggressive laner. Immortals need a support that makes plays someone can tank and do something other than sit in the back and press the "heal key".
Pobelter in my opinion is the reason why Immortals are bad when they lose. You can see it when he dies on his face he has that "I'm tilted" look and if you watched the Aphromoo video he talked about players "tilting" (POE) and reason why he wanted CLG to make roster swaps. Pobelter also left because of the Huhi lane swap also but CLG was thinking of the swap because of the Pobelter Tilt. He also doesn't do ANYTHING at all. Look at Fenix on Team Liquid once Team Liquid was a respectable team when they had a Mid that made plays and even finished 1st in the summer Split but now that Fenix is super passive and only farms Team Liquid is now regarded as a Joke.
I wouldn't be surprised if Huni and Reignover leave NA and go to EU at least in EU they can win a Split.
Eleshakai1 votes[{quoted}](name=III BAKURYU III ,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=EE4f6zyo,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2016-09-06T22:52:20.915+0000)
I don't know what iirc means ?
The Lucain Top was from game 1. After starting the game 7-0 in kills they lost in each teamfight because of having like 3 ADC champions on 1 team.
0-1 Game 2 Huni still played a carry top
0-2 Game 3 17-1 regular season down 0-2 to the 6th seed, tilt is a very good word for Immortals.
0-3 Swept.
Adrian is a passive laner that's all he is he plays nothing but passive healing mages and sits back and does nothing while Wildturtle is more of a unpredictable and aggressive laner. Immortals need a support that makes plays someone can tank and do something other than sit in the back and press the "heal key".
Pobelter in my opinion is the reason why Immortals are bad when they lose. You can see it when he dies on his face he has that "I'm tilted" look and if you watched the Aphromoo video he talked about players "tilting" (POE) and reason why he wanted CLG to make roster swaps. Pobelter also left because of the Huhi lane swap also but CLG was thinking of the swap because of the Pobelter Tilt. He also doesn't do ANYTHING at all. Look at Fenix on Team Liquid once Team Liquid was a respectable team when they had a Mid that made plays and even finished 1st in the summer Split but now that Fenix is super passive and only farms Team Liquid is now regarded as a Joke.
I wouldn't be surprised if Huni and Reignover leave NA and go to EU at least in EU they can win a Split.
IIRC is if I remember correctly.
III BAKURYU III 2 votesAH ;] I thought it was like some slang for "F u idiot" or something LOL. Thank you for clearing that up friend.
Yxgl222HaX1 votesyou called it mate i completely agree. and even though smoothie isnt as impressive as say biofrost or something, at least hes not an actual weak point to the team. more like just a fill till laning phase ends and sneaky can pick off the pentas in the mid game fights while impact does impact things and memeos does memeos things and jensens syndra shows some real balls
silentbuddha1 votesPersonally, I think the problem with IMT is their coach. How could IMT have such poor drafts against C9. When IMT was winning, no one would question the drafting abilities of the coach but now that this team has choked in 2 playoff splits in a row; one has to start questioning how prepared was this coach against C9. Yes, I agree the players are at fault for not executing on the game plan but if you go into a game with an inferior draft - you have just setup the players for failure.
My 2 cents
Eleshakai1 votesI've watched Immortals for a while... and here's my take on Immortals as a team:
Immortals is a strong team by NALCS standards, if we're going to rank NALCS from 1-10 in terms of strength, I'd say Immortals is overall a 7.5. I would say C9 is a 7.5 as well(I'd put TSM as an ~8 or so right now). The reason why this is relevant?
Immortals has a problem. The way they play reminds me a bit of a schoolyard bully. They're a strong team who knows how to abuse weaker teams, but they don't know how to deal with being challenged. So if you match Immortals against almost ANY team weaker than them, even by a little, they'll make that team look like a complete joke most of the time. This makes them look a lot stronger than they actually are, realistically, since you see them absolutely clean the floor with a team, and then you see TSM have a slow, methodical game against that team... and it almost looks like Immortals was better.
But when you put them against a team that is equal to them or better... and they just seem to completely fall apart. They make silly strategic decisions, go aggressive at all the wrong times, and try to overpush advantages when they have them(and sometimes even think they have advantages when they don't). They just seem to play really disrespectfully all the time.
Don't get me wrong, I love watching Immortals because they have such exciting games... but I can't help but feel like they're never going to win the regional championship because they just can't handle being pushed or challenged.
xJLx MCHammer1 votesImpact stepped up. No doubt about this. He schooled EVERY top laner, huni, Sepe, and Huantz. Sneaky and Smoothie stayed consistent Jensen fell down a bit outside of his one game vs Bjerg
Did the rest of them teams under perform? Not really. C9 just stepped it up in the pick's and bans.
