In the recent CLG match, ZionSpartan quoted that Bjergsen has proved himself to be the best mid-laner in NA. However, I saw him get caught out a lot during the match getting pounced on by Braum support and the rest of CLG. He didn't seem that impressive to me, the miss-position seemed to cost him a lot of deaths. So i asked myself if the best midlaner in NA could look so average. So I want to ask why everyone thinks he's so good or is he overrated?
daAtomicSushi6 votesIn the recent CLG match, ZionSpartan quoted that Bjergsen has proved himself to be the best mid-laner in NA. However, I saw him get caught out a lot during the match getting pounced on by Braum support and the rest of CLG. He didn't seem that impressive to me, the miss-position seemed to cost him a lot of deaths. So i asked myself if the best midlaner in NA could look so average. So I want to ask why everyone thinks he's so good or is he overrated?
You are looking at one final which doesn't necessarily prove his skill across multiple playing fields. Individually he is a pretty consistent player. You can play many games with many different outcomes, looking at one isn't reliable.
TheSequelsRBad2 votesBjerg is over rated, but the mid lane talent pool in NA isn't super high, so he is ONE of the best. I think pobelter made a good case for being better tho.
grimrookzero2 votestsm overall is overrated
Bastard Chief2 votesI would have destroyed Bjergsen so hard that series. Probably blindfolded too with Heimerdinger. No excuses, games 1 and 2 I can understand, he sorta got ganked, got pressured hard, therefore lost. Game 3 tho was basically a 1v1 and he just couldn't do it and looked so average. In fact, that series, he practically had almost no kills.
Owell, I've not lost a mid game yet with Heimerdinger, nor a top lane with him. In fact, I made a new account/name called " The Best EV3R NA" cause I'm that confident since I haven't been beaten in my lane UNTIL after the laning phase is over cause then usually the turrets end up getting destroyed eventually.
Anyhow, back to Bjergson, he should have picked Leblanc, that in my opinion was his best open champion he could have chosen from out of the ones they didn't ban. Beyond me why he didn't as he usually does good with her.
TSM sorta easy to beat in general tho if you think about it. They depend on Bjergson performing well, winning his lane so he can help push his team and other lanes. If you shut him down, you shut TSM down. Who do they got? Dyrus? A one trick pony who can only Gnar?
If anyone from TSM is reading this, please add me in game, and try me out for top so I can give you guys fighting power and help you win. I'm serious.
Treeofwar1 votesi agree with zion he is the best mid laner in NA the big thing is that he is under immense pressure to perform as a god tier and when you start to lose what so ever like they did it really gets to the players. They are all going to worlds right there and wanted first seed in the region which is big so it is understandable for him to not do his best with all the stress on him they were about to bench turtle because they did not consider him world worthy
LaceUp231 votesI don't watch LCS that much, but it seems like he is trying to do way too much. Which is understandable when their jungler isn't good and their top gets solo'd like 4 times lol.
SuperJediNinja1 votesI don't watch LCS that much, but it seems like he is trying to do way too much. Which is understandable when their jungler isn't good and their top gets solo'd like 4 times lol.
Yeah you don't watch LCS enough at all
LaceUp231 votesTheir jungler played Nid. Enough said. And Dyrus is bootay lol.
xJLx MCHammer1 votesHe is the best in NA but most of the champions he got famous on we're nerfed hard.
They keep forcing the jungles in TSM to be supporters, non gankinh. Swap santorim with rush and bjerg will be better
ponkzy2 votesrush can't help bjergsen's terrible teamfighting with orianna, viktor, and yasuo. clg banned out his azir (which isn't really that good honestly) and he was hopeless all game in teamfights. at least try something different third game like varus or kassadin, even ahri woulda been a good pick up. his champion pool was exploited super hard that series and he better learn how to play orianna or he's going to get stomped at worlds by actual mid laners. if you get beat down by the same champion 3 times in a row and have no idea how to counter it then you shouldn't be deemed best mid in NA. i think it's a tie between fenix, bjerg, and pobelter now
planters1 votesWhat the hell are you talking about? A lot of what you said makes sense but your criteria for "Best NA" is illogical. Please note, in season 4 worlds yasuo was pick or ban and the team with him was almost always guaranteed a victory. VIctor has been noted as being ridiculously OP for a while now. His champion pool wasn't so much exploited as their confidence in yasuo as a counter to victor was. The matchup itself is really tumultuous as one mistake from a yasuo can just as easily give a kill to victor as vice versa. This isn't your garen vs riven hard counter where the opponent can only run away. They basically said "Bjerg is the best NA so he can def win a lane against victor if he has 1 a champion of equal complexity and greater utility, orianna, or 2 a straight counter that kills him before he can do anything, yasuo, and with yasuo deemed balanced and Victor OP how can you say it was a fair matchup? Pobelter basically had a handicap. Pobelter did make a case for being a top tier player thanks to his beautiful maneuvering and brilliant risk assessment and roaming. However, in no way does this take away from bjergsen's own brilliance as a player. You have to realize EVERYONE on CLG was on fire that series. Doublelift got a freaking PENTAKILL and still didnt get MVP of the series. What happened was really simple, CLG outplayed and outperformed TSM throughout the entirety of the series. Not just on an individual level, but at pick and ban as well. If nothing else, Bjergsen has been able to keep his play at peak level for so long its incredible and can't be compared to by anyone else in NA right now.
ponkzy2 votesif by peak level you mean mediocre and zero impact the last half of the season and these playoffs then yeah i guess he is the best mid na. rip na at worlds. i bet you 100% bjergsen wanted yasuo game 3 and told everyone he'd carry. he's a cocky person that wants to show off how good he is but it ended up backfiring because he isn't as nearly as good on yasuo as he thinks he is. he should've picked kassadin and scaled up and played safe since thats what tsm is good at, not making plays and taking zero risks. yasuo is a champion you have to make plays on and have to take risks, it's the exact opposite of what tsm does
planters1 votesrealistically NA chances at worlds aren't that great. I think it was scarra who said NA midlaners are generally a 6 and bjergsen is an 8 on the international level or something like that. As for him being cocky and TSM not playing to their strengths, I too can agree on that as it is fairly obvious. What I am saying is that trying to take away from bjergsen's small but illustrious career because of one series is entirely unfair. He has solo carried his team though pretty much the entire regular season. Without bjergsen TSM is realistically not even close to the #2 spot in NA. They probably wouldn't have even gotten into the playoffs with how badly they performed over the summer. Especially at the end they even had a game where they struggled against NME a bottom place team. In the series against liquid where dyrus was carrying, Bjergsen was noted for doing the most damage on TSM. He did this on lulu of all champions. Not a mage, not an assassin, a support. Bjergsen has been doing work and he had one terrible series which was accentuated by a bad pick and ban phase. I just watched a review by montecristo where he said SKT is something like 8-1 with victor and samsung is something like 2-10 with victor. IF your team knows how to play around the pick, you win, if not, you lose. Throughout the review, he also noted how TSM simply did not play their comps right. Just because TSM did poorly doesnt mean CLG didnt do great. It just means TSM did poorly.
Lugg1 votesHe isn't overrated at all. Just look at his gold per minute averages. He is playing mid but outpacing most ADCs. Plus TSM changed up their strategy for the playoffs having Bjerg be more of an enabling/support mid lane instead of a pure carry mid.
ilt1 voteshe hasn't been doing good lately
Beoridas1 votesthere is a difference btw not being that good compared to expectations and having someone better than him.
Hes not in either category. He is what he is. Pobelter is good aswell. But he cant win them all. Not even Faker can.
The Lexer1 votesYes and no. He is overrated in terms of individual play but he is not overrated when it comes to his importance to the team, if that makes sense
foinhas1 votesBjergsen is a great mid. Dyrus, on the other hand, is the most overrated player in NA...
TheNameIsJohnny1 votesHe is like faker and only shined during the Assassin META. Bjergsen is often one trick pony. Take away his Assassins or nerfed them, he becomes another above average LCS mid player.
Linthe1 votesNo. He isn't over-rated. He is best mid-laner NA. He consisently wins CS. The only mid laner who could consistently CS with him was XWX. And we all know how that turned out.
He has a wide champ pool and is easily able to pick up new champs (see ChoGath and Azir from spring). He also makes plays and get kills. His Ahri and pre-nerf Leblanc plays were spectacular.
Having said that, he and all of TSM has a wretched series against CLG. They got outplayed across the board. I have never seen Bjerg have KDA scores like he did versus CLG.
awer4553DAFERdaB1 votesYes he is overrated. Its an obvious result after being the best NA midlaner, he gets so much praise.
The problem with bjergsen is his macro play. He's kinda like froggen. Mechanicly superior to his opponent ( at least in NA ) , most likely to have a CS advantage - in NA, great control lanewise. But he doesn't really set something up. The reason why people start noticing it atm is because league is evolving more and more from a game "get fed and win on ur lane" to "tacticly making better decisions and playing as a team" - And Tsm is just falling apart starting from the toplane all the way down. Right now TSM has to many holes, and they have not enough hands basicly to cover it. Cover one hole, the water pours thru the other basicly. Their macro is horrible.
Everyone has it's talent, there's hardly any palyer out there tahts completely all round good, faker, pawn and maybe 1 or 2 more have the capability to play in any meta, they're all round. Bjergsen and players like froggen are more centric to a certain playstyle.
Quite honestly, besides replacing dyrus ( obvious reasons ) i would most likely replace bjergsen aswell if theres on option for the more suited player. Doesn't even mean that player has to be mechanicly better.
Tbh tho, I find bjergsen mechanicly overrated aswell. He's good a good thought process of how lane matchups will turn out and what things can do, whta ranges things has, cooldowns etc. But the things he does, well koreans do it faster - On top of the better macro koreans has.
Bjergsen right now just doesnt have a single advantage against international midlanes which can provide pressure on the lane.
Thing is, right now if you're not so good at the macro play, you can still make up for it with huge mechanics. The only real talent from bjergsen is his lane dominance and having great mechanics - But thats the problem, he will alwyas get outshined mechanicly wise internatinoally , and theres no macro play to fall back on. Hai used to roam an insane amount and he'd accept losing his lane and just playd for the team.
Theres just nothing bjergsen excels at vs international midlaners.
and for the people saying tsm is overall overrated.. i've been saying that for ages, just look at how fast the macro is .. its insanely slow , sluggish, bad decisions, slow decisions.. and theres reasons for that, but thatd take an adittional 89359375hours of writing ..
The only tteam i'd have my faith in is CLG, they're looking pretty ok atm. I wouldn't take zionspartan to seriously tho on him thinking he can win world's with the current CLG. But they can suprise everyone with taking a fwe games in groups and move on to quarters etc.
Laughing Fish1 votesBjergsen is the best mid-laner in NA, and is up there for best in the world (behind Faker of course). However, one great player does not make a winning team. TSM did not lose because of inferior mechanics, they lost because of inferior strategy. TSM plays an outdated style that only worked because the rest of NA was even further behind. CLG simply exposed how flawed TSM really is. Overall I believe this will be good for TSM, as I think the core of TSM's problem is arrogance. They were just so far ahead of the rest of NA that they considered themselves great, even though South Korea and EU had better teams. That is evidently no longer the case, as CLG embarrassed them.
